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curl-6 said:

I don't hate Game Pass. It's just not for me; I prefer to own my games.

People also often act like its this megaton killer app that's going to turn the tides of the console war, when the data says that simply isn't the case.

This.

But then I'm also someone who still buys movies on discs, music on CD's and LP's, Games on physical media (for consoles, most PC games I buy are discounted Steam games and most are games that have been out for at least five years).



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smroadkill15 said:

You pretty much answered your own question. No offense to Flight Sim, but why would console players pick that over Halo and FH5 to play, along with AAA 3rd party games lol. Well anyways to answer your other question, Flight Sim is the 20th most popular game on Game Pass right now. 

Ahh it does have a list, I don't see it here though, not in the top 50 most played
https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/most-played/games/xbox?SilentAuth=1&wa=wsignin1.0

Oh well, I guess Gamepass didn't do much for FS2020. Beaten by farm simulator lol.

It explains the small team size continuing to work on it. It did its job (look pretty) I'll dial my expectations back for a robust flight sim experience. It's going to be a long road to a stable engine.



I don't hate gamepass. It's just not for me. I don't play a whole bunch of games at a time. At the moment I'm playing Tomb Raider I. The original from 1996. Just finished it today after 4 weeks and paid 0,99 € for it on steam. Even if the game is available on game pass, that would have been a whole lot more expensive.

Plus I don't like the idea of losing access to all of my games the moment I stop paying the monthly fee. And while I have used game pass 2 or 3 times in the past, there was always some game thet fell out of the service and it just so happened to be a game I was currently playing. It was some Wolfenstein game I believe and just recently River City Girls. That's just a big bummer, I can never know if and when a certain title will be available.

Lastly, I just don't like the Windows Store. It's always such a hassle. One time I forgot to delete a game before a new installation of windows. It was downright impossible to delete the game afterwards because of DRM bullshit. I had to format the whole drive. On the laptop from my son, the Windows store just stopped working altogether and so did gamepass because it's dependent on the store. So I had to buy Flight Simulator from steam, because he loves that game. Works flawlessly. Games on steam are just way way better. I'll pay extra for the convenience there any day.

So while game pass sure is great for people who like to play a bunch of recent titles and Microsoft exclusives, it's just not for everyone.



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Kakadu18 said:

Nobody actually hates Game Pass for logical and reasonable reasons.

"Hate" is a bit extreme, but there are logical and reasonable reasons to be disinterested in a service or just not like it.

I wouldn't say that I "hate" the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack for instance, but to me it is unappealing.

I want to own my games and play them in my own time, whenever I want. I'm not interested in paying a fee to have temporary access to games.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 22 November 2021

SvennoJ said:
smroadkill15 said:

You pretty much answered your own question. No offense to Flight Sim, but why would console players pick that over Halo and FH5 to play, along with AAA 3rd party games lol. Well anyways to answer your other question, Flight Sim is the 20th most popular game on Game Pass right now. 

Ahh it does have a list, I don't see it here though, not in the top 50 most played
https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/most-played/games/xbox?SilentAuth=1&wa=wsignin1.0

Oh well, I guess Gamepass didn't do much for FS2020. Beaten by farm simulator lol.

It explains the small team size continuing to work on it. It did its job (look pretty) I'll dial my expectations back for a robust flight sim experience. It's going to be a long road to a stable engine.

Err... you might be underestimating Farm Simulator a little bit. Classic case of not seeing outside the bubble.



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Gamepass value is undeniable but its sustainability is what I doubt. I don't think people should be called foolish for wondering where this ends up.

Personally I'd hate to see MS start to lower budget for their big titles because there's not enough budget to go around. At some point gamepass needs to be sustainable in its own right.



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Shinobi-san said:

Gamepass value is undeniable but its sustainability is what I doubt. I don't think people should be called foolish for wondering where this ends up.

Personally I'd hate to see MS start to lower budget for their big titles because there's not enough budget to go around. At some point gamepass needs to be sustainable in its own right.

"I know there's a lot of people that like to write [that] we're burning cash right now for some future pot of gold at the end," Spencer said. "No. Game Pass is very, very sustainable right now as it sits. And it continues to grow."

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/451506/phil-spencer-xbox-game-pass-is-very-sustainable-right-now/



chakkra said:
SvennoJ said:

Ahh it does have a list, I don't see it here though, not in the top 50 most played
https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/most-played/games/xbox?SilentAuth=1&wa=wsignin1.0

Oh well, I guess Gamepass didn't do much for FS2020. Beaten by farm simulator lol.

It explains the small team size continuing to work on it. It did its job (look pretty) I'll dial my expectations back for a robust flight sim experience. It's going to be a long road to a stable engine.

Err... you might be underestimating Farm Simulator a little bit. Classic case of not seeing outside the bubble.

Ha yeah, the farm craze on Facebook a decade ago somehow slipped my mind. But I did not realize it was that popular!
Warms my heart a little that a lot of people rather farm than shoot things :)



Chicho said:
Shinobi-san said:

Gamepass value is undeniable but its sustainability is what I doubt. I don't think people should be called foolish for wondering where this ends up.

Personally I'd hate to see MS start to lower budget for their big titles because there's not enough budget to go around. At some point gamepass needs to be sustainable in its own right.

"I know there's a lot of people that like to write [that] we're burning cash right now for some future pot of gold at the end," Spencer said. "No. Game Pass is very, very sustainable right now as it sits. And it continues to grow."

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/451506/phil-spencer-xbox-game-pass-is-very-sustainable-right-now/

Big budget games have been few and far between for the last couple of years. I would imagine that MS has plans to ramp this up given the recent developer studio purchases. Once that starts to ramp up and Xbox starts to develop games on the same level of Sony it would be interesting to see how they balance that out. If the payoff is as obvious as some are making it out to be why are others not following?

Edit: Also the question of sustainability is not akin to 'burning cash'



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Shinobi-san said:
Chicho said:

"I know there's a lot of people that like to write [that] we're burning cash right now for some future pot of gold at the end," Spencer said. "No. Game Pass is very, very sustainable right now as it sits. And it continues to grow."

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/451506/phil-spencer-xbox-game-pass-is-very-sustainable-right-now/

Big budget games have been few and far between for the last couple of years. I would imagine that MS has plans to ramp this up given the recent developer studio purchases. Once that starts to ramp up and Xbox starts to develop games on the same level of Sony it would be interesting to see how they balance that out. If the payoff is as obvious as some are making it out to be why are others not following?

Edit: Also the question of sustainability is not akin to 'burning cash'

Why worry about its sustainability instead of enjoying the service for what it offers? It's such a silly thing to worry about when this is MS after all. They are clearly very dedicated to the growth of Game Pass and there is zero indication of them dropping the service any time soon. Especially after a huge purchase like Zenimax/Bethesda, it only reinforces their long-term commitment.