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Is Xbox gaining momentum and shifting it from PS?

Yes, they are def gaining momentum 12 19.35%
 
Yes, they are gaining mom... 17 27.42%
 
Nah, Sony is still getting all the headlines 19 30.65%
 
No, not at all 14 22.58%
 
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yvanjean said:

Well with Game pass Microsoft platform also includes PC, Cloud and Mobile not just the console and that makes Gamepass market share much greater then PS5 will ever get and why they need to consider a solution. 

Sony Interactive Entertainment boss Jim Ryan has said he’s frustrated at how PlayStation’s first-party games are ‘gated’ to their current console model audience of tens of millions of players.

Even Sony executives want to see their game open up to a bigger market and not being gated by platform sold.

Game Pass market share? 20+ Million subscribers is Game Pass actual market share. Less than NSO & PS+ lol. Billions of people having access to Game Pass on PC, mobile, cloud, does not equal market share. 



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twintail said:

The PS4, for a long time, was tracking ahead of the PS2.

PS5 is falling behind the PS4 because they can't ship enough of them. The demand is clearly there for more sales, but that demand can't be met. XSX selling faster than the 360 is only faster than the 360, which is slower than both the PS4 and PS5.

Back in Feb, Amphere had the following data (millions): XSXS 2.8, PS5 4.2.

Now, for the period ending in September, they have: XSXS 6.7, PS5 12.8. An increase of 3.9 and 8.6 million respectively. 

Clearly, the PS5 is selling better. 

Yes I have just seen Amphere numbers, that's interesting.



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I want my big budget games and MS is yet to release one. This halo seems like the lowest budget Halo to grace a console. Maybe this is an indication of things to come for Gamepass.

I buy my consoles for big budget spectacles that are fun to play and at the moment the only place to get them is on the PlayStation.

Older games and older AAA games I can get on PSNow and PS+ and the best thing is PS+ is for keeps and miles ahead of Games with Gold.

Everyone needs to address something, not just Sony. It is inevitable that PS5 games will come to PSNow. It's not a matter of if but when. However, when will Microsoft address the lack of AAA games that do well? Yes they bought Bethesda to play catch-up, EoS and FO are games which come out once every 10 years. The other games still need to prove themselves.

Sony on the other hand is finally hitting that Nintendo level where their games are starting sell big numbers.

More than doing what gamepass does, Sony needs to start rolling out PSNow onto TVs as an app with Dual Sense support.



The tide isn't turning globally, PS5 still leads Xbox Series by a significant margin. Xbox pretty much needs Game Pass to thrive at all.
While we would win as consumers if PS Now or a new service had way newer games (and they stayed on longer), Sony will almost surely do just fine without adopting such a strategy.
Game Pass is a far better value proposition in terms of the prices you need to pay to buy the games yourself (namely the new releases). PS Now has far more games, though. And many would argue that the first-party titles on PS Now are higher quality than the first-party titles on Game Pass.
Sony needs to improve PS Now, that much I agree. The subscription numbers are super low given how many PS4s are out there, and how many PS5s there will be in the future.
But they probably won't have to make their own Game Pass.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 144 million (was 73, then 96, then 113 million, then 125 million)

PS5: 105 million Xbox Series S/X: 60 million

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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Fei-Hung said:

I want my big budget games and MS is yet to release one. This halo seems like the lowest budget Halo to grace a console. Maybe this is an indication of things to come for Gamepass.

I'm not 100% sure, but i heard a time ago that Halo infinite is the most expensive game ever made.

Source: https://www.thegamer.com/halo-infinite-most-expensive-game-ever-made/



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Sony doesn't need anything, with GT7, god of war and horizon forbidden west, Forspoken, for next year, they are sorted, they will outsell the xbox by default. Unless Microsoft would launch Fallout 5, elder scrolls 6 and Starfield and Forza motorsport 8 next year, then yes xbox could stand a chance. But that wont happen.



PotentHerbs said:
yvanjean said:

Well with Game pass Microsoft platform also includes PC, Cloud and Mobile not just the console and that makes Gamepass market share much greater then PS5 will ever get and why they need to consider a solution. 

Sony Interactive Entertainment boss Jim Ryan has said he’s frustrated at how PlayStation’s first-party games are ‘gated’ to their current console model audience of tens of millions of players.

Even Sony executives want to see their game open up to a bigger market and not being gated by platform sold.

Game Pass market share? 20+ Million subscribers is Game Pass actual market share. Less than NSO & PS+ lol. Billions of people having access to Game Pass on PC, mobile, cloud, does not equal market share. 

Well what does? if 20 million people are subbed thats 20 million that could buy DLC etc. If we look at Gamepass as a console itself instead of just looking at hardware we can see its doing very well and 25 million is still more then 12-14 million console sales for the PS5.

It also goes back to 3rd partys they see a number like "Your game reaching 25+ million users or reaching just 13 million and maybe not even getting picked up since most of them users going to pay their 70 for the next CoD or GTA or whatever. Look past your nose Potent and you might see the future..



Fei-Hung said:

I want my big budget games and MS is yet to release one. This halo seems like the lowest budget Halo to grace a console. Maybe this is an indication of things to come for Gamepass.

I buy my consoles for big budget spectacles that are fun to play and at the moment the only place to get them is on the PlayStation.

Older games and older AAA games I can get on PSNow and PS+ and the best thing is PS+ is for keeps and miles ahead of Games with Gold.

Everyone needs to address something, not just Sony. It is inevitable that PS5 games will come to PSNow. It's not a matter of if but when. However, when will Microsoft address the lack of AAA games that do well? Yes they bought Bethesda to play catch-up, EoS and FO are games which come out once every 10 years. The other games still need to prove themselves.

Sony on the other hand is finally hitting that Nintendo level where their games are starting sell big numbers.

More than doing what gamepass does, Sony needs to start rolling out PSNow onto TVs as an app with Dual Sense support.

Wow dude, i had such a big reply for you but instead of you getting banned for being such a big fan of sony while running down other platforms i most likely would.



SKMBlake said:
EricHiggin said:

SNY also 'needed to directly respond to XB1 BC asap' with PS4, and they certainly didn't. They did their own thing and it worked wonders. They even launched PS5 without really doing anything about PS1-PS3 BC.

Heck, we just had XB announce even more BC games, and it seems that SNY still isn't too worried about it.

If anything, who needs SNY to respond is MS, because once SNY were to do that, it would extremely legitimize GP in the eyes of console gamers.

How much time do you actually spare by writing SNY instead of Sony ?

I think you meant XBOX instead of XB, or maybe XBOX ONE instead of XB1?

Have a look at the thread title as well as the pole title. Anything to say about that?



zero129 said:

Well what does? if 20 million people are subbed thats 20 million that could buy DLC etc. If we look at Gamepass as a console itself instead of just looking at hardware we can see its doing very well and 25 million is still more then 12-14 million console sales for the PS5.

It also goes back to 3rd partys they see a number like "Your game reaching 25+ million users or reaching just 13 million and maybe not even getting picked up since most of them users going to pay their 70 for the next CoD or GTA or whatever. Look past your nose Potent and you might see the future..

The amount of subscribers is Game Pass actual market share. Not some made up scenario where hundreds of millions are subscribed. Game Pass doing well is drastically different than Game Pass expanding the market to the point where Sony needs to consider a response or they get left behind. Its not like Game Pass is growing at the rate of Netflix or Disney+ either. Your example is also extremely short sighted, considering the PS5 has only been out for a year while Game Pass has been out since 2017, and you need to factor in the PS4 userbase, which is still active and buying software, MTX, DLC, etc. The majority of the industry still sees the console model as the most optimal way to make money. 

Game Pass could very well be the future but its far from a guarantee that so many here are declaring. Video games are an entirely different medium of entertainment. The time investment and interactivity needed to enjoy a video game requires a lot more commitment than movies or music. That's why one market has been capped for a few decades while the other has billions of people enjoying it daily. Game Pass is already on PC, a platform that has billions of users, but it hasn't come close to penetrating 10% of that userbase. Even the mobile market Microsoft is trying to tap into has a completely different audience than the console market. A Game Pass app on Smart TV's is Microsoft's best bet to expand the Xbox ecosystem, IMO.

Like I detailed in another post, there are more important things for a multimedia conglomerate like Sony to focus on in the mid term, before pivoting to a unproven business model in the video game industry.