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SKMBlake said:
Norion said:

The reason would be Xbox taking back some market share. 

Yeah but Microsoft launched a "complementary" console, to go alongside your Switch and/or your PS5, thus not necessary "taking back some market share"

How so?  I don't think the average consumer buys multiple $500 consoles for their living room.  XBox and PlayStation sales have ebbed and flowed over the past 3 successive generations.  What has Microsoft done differently this gen that indicates the XBox is meant to be owned in tandem with a PS5?  If we're talking about the cheaper S Series marketed as an entry level next gen system, isn't that the lower performing seller of the XBox series right now?  Once supply and demand levels out for both systems, I see no reason to believe that backend lifetime sales won't be made by consumers actively making a choice between the two.  In which case, if a larger number of people choose an XBox Series console this time around than chose an XBox One last gen, it could very well be the case that Microsoft does eat back into Sony's marketshare again.



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SKMBlake said:
Norion said:

That is a good point so it is possible Xbox does notably better this gen without necessarily taking back much market share. Though stuff like the Zenimax acquisition makes me think it's extremely likely that at least a bit will be taken back.

I dunno, I don't really think Bethesda public is on the PS platform. I mean, Bethesda games are well known to be PC games first, Xbox games second and having their game on the PS3/PS4/Swtich is a nice addition but not fundamental.

When I hear "Starfield" or "Fallout" I immediatly assume it's a PC game for eg.

And I know sales numbers are pretty high on PS for Bethesda games, but let's face it, a Bethesda game spend 97% of its time being sold at 5 bucks, at some point you will eventually sell these games.

There are millions who will want to buy games like Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 on a console and this time they have only one option. For the people who went from 360 to PS4 this will surely cause at least a small amount to switch back and even a small amount of that would still amount to millions.



SKMBlake said:
Norion said:

That is a good point so it is possible Xbox does notably better this gen without necessarily taking back much market share. Though stuff like the Zenimax acquisition makes me think it's extremely likely that at least a bit will be taken back.

I dunno, I don't really think Bethesda public is on the PS platform. I mean, Bethesda games are well known to be PC games first, Xbox games second and having their game on the PS3/PS4/Swtich is a nice addition but not fundamental.

When I hear "Starfield" or "Fallout" I immediatly assume it's a PC game for eg.

And I know sales numbers are pretty high on PS for Bethesda games, but let's face it, a Bethesda game spend 97% of its time being sold at 5 bucks, at some point you will eventually sell these games.

I have friends who absolutely play Bethesda games on their ps3/ps4.... and will be buying an xbox over ps5 given their concern about future releases.  It will have a nice impact in the US.



Switch week 40 is 250,000 from just Spain/UK/Japan.



trunkswd said:
mk7sx said:

Switch week 40 is 250,000 from just Spain/UK/Japan.

Spain numbers were released? You have a link?

https://www.gamereactor.es/ventas-espana-metroid-dread-arrasa-y-supera-el-estreno-en-uk/

Summary below from IB not me.

Top 10 Ventas Semana 40: del 4 al 10 de octubre de 2021​





  1. FIFA 22 para PlayStation 4
  2. Metroid Dread para Nintendo Switch -
  3. Grand Theft Auto V para PlayStation 4
  4. Far Cry 6 para PlayStation 4
  5. Far Cry 6 para PlayStation 5
  6. FIFA 22 para PlayStation 5
  7. FIFA 22 para Nintendo Switch
  8. Metroid Dread - Edición Especial para Nintendo Switch
  9. Alan Wake Remastered para PlayStation 5
  10. NBA 2K22 para PlayStation 5


FIFA22 -> 43.000 ALL
Metroid Dread -> 25.000
Far Cry 6 -> 15.000 ALL (6.000 PS5 | 6.000 PS4)
Alan Wake Remastered -> 6.500 ALL (3.300 PS5 x2 PS4)


Hardware

Switch: 14.000 (12.000 OLED | White version 9.000)
PS5: 8.500 (5:1 Disc vs Digital)
XBS: 1.600 (2:1 S vs X)



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Looks like a 7-800K week globally I guess.



This has been such a weird generation that it's hared for me to read too much into it, but it's still somewhat impressive how well it's done so far.



Chrkeller said:
Fight-the-Streets said:

I don't want to drag on this topic but as someone who is first and foremost a Nintendo-gamer, owning all Nintendo consoles (except the Virtual Boy) I can somewhat relate to where Alistair is coming from. I play may Switch 95% docked and I always very much preferred Nintendo's home consoles over the handhelds. It is my wet dream that Nintendo will release a powerful home console in the future. But I understand that this is not very likely and I also understand why Nintendo is doing what they are doing. It simply makes the most sense, businesswise. Seeing that the Switch is tremendously successful, how will the successor look like? Well, most probably just a more powerful Switch (yes, probably with one or two new little gimmicks).

But how did Nintendo came to where they are now? Looking back, their handhelds were always much more successful than their home consoles and their profits even more so. You have to consider that handhelds are cheaper to make and their games are faster and cheaper to make, all resulting in adding up to the profit. Nevertheless, the Wii was tremendously successful and Nintendo thought they have found the golden formula for their home consoles, i.e. cheap casual console with a gimmick (remote controllers). But then, obviously, they didn't really understand their own golden formula and instead of continuing with just a more powerful Wii 2 (a Super Wii), they released the Wii U instead, a complete new console, expensive and with a complete new gimmick (gamepad with a screen). Sure, you still could use your Wii remote controllers on it but barely any new interesting game came out using them and the horrendous marketing did the rest to kill off the success of the Wii U.

With that, Nintendo was at their lowest point, even their newest handheld, the Nintendo 3DS, was not a success compared to its tremendously successful predecessor, the DS. I can only guess what Nintendo talked about then in their board meetings but I think they analysed the gaming market and looked at their competitors. Sony and Microsoft had successful powerful home consoles and it was clear where the road is leading to in the next generations: to even more powerful and even more expensive consoles. Sony and Microsoft will fight each other in a red ocean market with diminishing returns. So, they thought, if we enter this market as well, this red ocean will become even bloodier and the return will diminish even further. Further, they knew that Nintendo is a much smaller company than Sony and Microsoft, in order words, the war chests of their competitors are much bigger and they are able to stay in the fight for a much longer time. Sony and Microsoft can afford to sell consoles for a loss, Nintendo can't (yes they did it in the beginning for the Wii U but they hated it), Sony and Microsoft can afford to invest into expensive high-end servers for online gaming, related community services and support, etc. pp., Nintendo can't. For that, Nintendo must rely much more on expensive 3rd parties and external contractors than their competitors who have lots of the necessary knowledge and manpower inhouse. The 7. generation has shown that online gaming is huge and will have a huge growth rate. Nintendo will not really be able to compete with Sony and Microsoft on that ground. On top of it, smartphones came and became a serious thread for handheld consoles.

So what to do, they ask themselves? Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, "How about a hybrid console?", someone asked. All the others: "a hybrid console?" Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, "that's actually a very clever idea if we do it right!" Thus, project NX was born and resulted in the Nintendo Switch which in turn determined the fate of Nintendo... .

I guess I don't see Nintendo as having left the home console business....  I play my Switch just like a regular console all the time.  It has HD graphics, supports 4 players split screen, has digital surround sound.  It functions as both a mobile and home console.  Nintendo isn't into the graphics war and they shouldn't be.  Their best selling consoles were never the most powerful on the market.  In fact the few times they did play the graphics war, it didn't go well with the N64 and Gamecube.  

Nintendo isn't in the same market as Sony, they just aren't.  Their strategy is completely different and that is fine.  I don't personally want Nintendo to mimic Sony, because I already have a ps1/ps2/ps3/ps4/ps5.  Different is good.  Variety is good.  

And I would absolutely be stunned if Nintendo's next console isn't simply a Switch II.  The Switch will be a top 3 all time selling console, it only needs to sell something like 25 million more, which is doable between 2021 holidays and 2022.  It won't pass the DS or ps2, IMHO.  

I feel pretty much the same.

If I wanted another PS5 or Xbox Series, I'd just buy a PS5 or an Xbox Series, (and eventually I probably will) if I wanted the best graphics I'd invest in a high end gaming PC.

To me, Switch is great for what it is; a flexible alternative platform to the PS/Xbox model with a strong and growing catalogue of excellent games, some of the best of which are exclusive.

Never once while playing Mario Odyssey or Metroid Dread have I stopped and thought "man this would be great if only it was in 4K with raytracing", I was too busy having a blast.



curl-6 said:
Chrkeller said:

I guess I don't see Nintendo as having left the home console business....  I play my Switch just like a regular console all the time.  It has HD graphics, supports 4 players split screen, has digital surround sound.  It functions as both a mobile and home console.  Nintendo isn't into the graphics war and they shouldn't be.  Their best selling consoles were never the most powerful on the market.  In fact the few times they did play the graphics war, it didn't go well with the N64 and Gamecube.  

Nintendo isn't in the same market as Sony, they just aren't.  Their strategy is completely different and that is fine.  I don't personally want Nintendo to mimic Sony, because I already have a ps1/ps2/ps3/ps4/ps5.  Different is good.  Variety is good.  

And I would absolutely be stunned if Nintendo's next console isn't simply a Switch II.  The Switch will be a top 3 all time selling console, it only needs to sell something like 25 million more, which is doable between 2021 holidays and 2022.  It won't pass the DS or ps2, IMHO.  

I feel pretty much the same.

If I wanted another PS5 or Xbox Series, I'd just buy a PS5 or an Xbox Series, (and eventually I probably will) if I wanted the best graphics I'd invest in a high end gaming PC.

To me, Switch is great for what it is; a flexible alternative platform to the PS/Xbox model with a strong and growing catalogue of excellent games, some of the best of which are exclusive.

Never once while playing Mario Odyssey or Metroid Dread have I stopped and thought "man this would be great if only it was in 4K with raytracing", I was too busy having a blast.

Don't get me wrong, I have a blast too with my Switch, the most played console for me and it's far from over, even though I play 95% docked (and still will buy a Switch OLED because it looks so damn good, it's worth for those 5%).

I even think I wasn't quite correct in my analysis. As always, as soon as a new console is on the market, they already work on the next console. It is a known fact that the former President Satoru Iwata (R.I.P.) was already involved in the NX project (which later became the Switch). Can't remember the source but in an interview somewhere Nintendo also mentioned that the Switch was conceptualized as a hybrid right from the beginning and if you think about it, it was a very logical step after the Wii U was a console with a separate screen (the GamePad), the Switch was the opposite of it, the console is the GamePad and it can be docked to the TV. In 2012, when the Wii U launched, a hybrid either simply wouldn't have been technically possible or it would had to come with very outdated graphics capabilities combined with a very low battery life. Still, the step from a very unsuccessful Wii U to the Switch hybrid concept was very courageous from Nintendo as on the surface the hybrid concept is just a continuation of the Wii U concept which was a complete failure.

Nevertheless, if the Wii U would have been successful, it's not clear how the successor would have looked like and if Nintendo still would have adopted a two-pronged strategy with a different successor to the 3ds. One thing is for sure, if the Wii U would have been successful, its successor would have come to the market about two years later (2018/19). As they would have had two successful Wii branded consoles in a row, it's very likely that the successor would have continued the Wii brand. We can only speculate what would have come to the market in 2018/19, a more powerful Switch (than the current one we have in our hands) or an even more ambitious console?



Fight-the-Streets said:
curl-6 said:

I feel pretty much the same.

If I wanted another PS5 or Xbox Series, I'd just buy a PS5 or an Xbox Series, (and eventually I probably will) if I wanted the best graphics I'd invest in a high end gaming PC.

To me, Switch is great for what it is; a flexible alternative platform to the PS/Xbox model with a strong and growing catalogue of excellent games, some of the best of which are exclusive.

Never once while playing Mario Odyssey or Metroid Dread have I stopped and thought "man this would be great if only it was in 4K with raytracing", I was too busy having a blast.

Don't get me wrong, I have a blast too with my Switch, the most played console for me and it's far from over, even though I play 95% docked (and still will buy a Switch OLED because it looks so damn good, it's worth for those 5%).

I even think I wasn't quite correct in my analysis. As always, as soon as a new console is on the market, they already work on the next console. It is a known fact that the former President Satoru Iwata (R.I.P.) was already involved in the NX project (which later became the Switch). Can't remember the source but in an interview somewhere Nintendo also mentioned that the Switch was conceptualized as a hybrid right from the beginning and if you think about it, it was a very logical step after the Wii U was a console with a separate screen (the GamePad), the Switch was the opposite of it, the console is the GamePad and it can be docked to the TV. In 2012, when the Wii U launched, a hybrid either simply wouldn't have been technically possible or it would had to come with very outdated graphics capabilities combined with a very low battery life. Still, the step from a very unsuccessful Wii U to the Switch hybrid concept was very courageous from Nintendo as on the surface the hybrid concept is just a continuation of the Wii U concept which was a complete failure.

Nevertheless, if the Wii U would have been successful, it's not clear how the successor would have looked like and if Nintendo still would have adopted a two-pronged strategy with a different successor to the 3ds. One thing is for sure, if the Wii U would have been successful, its successor would have come to the market about two years later (2018/19). As they would have had two successful Wii branded consoles in a row, it's very likely that the successor would have continued the Wii brand. We can only speculate what would have come to the market in 2018/19, a more powerful Switch (than the current one we have in our hands) or an even more ambitious console?

I think the two pronged strategy would have been unified anyway as it was simply becoming too hard to make enough games for two separate devices once they reached roughly 6th and 7th gen in graphical complexity.

We may have seen a slightly more powerful Switch in 2018 if Wii U had been successful, (though knowing Nintendo it may have been the exact same just released later) perhaps called "Wii Switch" but I don't think another dedicated home console would've been on the cards.