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Alistair said:

Stop boosting an overpriced underperforming product.

over 90 Million sales in 4.5 years. "Underperforming."



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Alistair said:
Chrkeller said:

Odd, given I'm 40 and play 100% docked, same with my brother.  Not too mention is has some of the highest rated games of the generation.

You appear to hate the switch and are angry because the masses don't agree.

I don't hate it. I'm not ridiculing it. I think it is bad and it is a sad fall from grace for Nintendo, as they exited the home console market. And I think most gamers agree. And I'm glad to see the supply of the Xbox and PS are improving and now they are outselling the Switch 2 to 1, as home consoles should. And the Switch is sitting on the shelves at my Bestbuy, as it should. And the Switch is ridiculously more expensive than the PS and Xbox overall if you include an actual controller. Facts. Stop boosting an overpriced underperforming product, and recognize that a majority of gamers are not interested in it. 

Nobody likes it when marketing and a lack of common sense push a bad product at a high price. Feels like corporate abuse, get on the consumer's side instead.

Well I'm not going to argue all day.  I'll simply say I don't get your point about 2 consoles combined outselling 1 means something.  That is just silly.

And at 90,000,000 sold and counting....  clearly Nintendo is on the side of consumers.  People love the switch, regardless of your personal feelings.

One of the all time greatest selling consoles...  conclusion, gamers don't like it.  Nonsensical.



Alistair said:

Funny the media miss this: People prefer home consoles, and they are outselling mobile 2 to 1 right now. Everyone wants Nintendo to make a home console, but they don't.

And yet Switch is going to outsell every Nintendo home console.

Alistair said:

10 years of PS3 level graphics (Wii U plus Switch).

Switch has significantly better graphical abilities than the PS3. Not a generational leap over it due to its hybrid nature, but still a clear step up.

Alistair said:

Nobody likes it when marketing and a lack of common sense push a bad product at a high price. Feels like corporate abuse, get on the consumer's side instead.

I am a consumer, I'm very much on my own side, and Nintendo is certainly not "abusing" me by selling me one of the best systems I've ever had the pleasure of owning.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

xPhenom08x said:

Who exactly is underestimating Playstation? Seems more like some victim syndrome going on in here. I think most people here believe it will sell somewhere around PS4 level. So far no reason to believe it will sell far more or less.

Not just victim syndrome but also reading way too deeply into things. I post a casual observation and at least one person seemed to think it was somehow me saying what I expect lifetime sales to be. Some people can get touchy when you bring up a possibility they would dislike happening and act like you're making a hard prediction.



peachbuggy said:
trenchparticipant said:

Yes and Switch sales will fall off like they did with the Wii.

Not very likely. The sales had already started dropping significantly at this point in the Wii's lifespan.

Chrkeller said:
trenchparticipant said:

Yes and Switch sales will fall off like they did with the Wii.

Maybe.  But doesn't seem like it yet.  I've heard about the cliff for 3 years now.  Maybe it is possible the switch is simply a highly successful console.

His agreement to the silly N64 comparison connotes sarcasm.

Alistair said:

Funny the media miss this: People prefer home consoles, and they are outselling mobile 2 to 1 right now. Everyone wants Nintendo to make a home console, but they don't. So they buy PS5 and Xbox instead, 2 to 1 :)

Imagine if they were actually in stock...

Most don't. You speak for a minority of people. A Nintendo hybrid is obviously preferred to a traditional Nintendo home console (not my personal preference but I'm in the minority). Switch occupies an otherwise vacant space and is keeping handheld gaming alive, it's good for the industry.

Norion said:
xPhenom08x said:

Who exactly is underestimating Playstation? Seems more like some victim syndrome going on in here. I think most people here believe it will sell somewhere around PS4 level. So far no reason to believe it will sell far more or less.

Not just victim syndrome but also reading way too deeply into things. I post a casual observation and at least one person seemed to think it was somehow me saying what I expect lifetime sales to be. Some people can get touchy when you bring up a possibility they would dislike happening and act like you're making a hard prediction.

It isn't about you specifically though. Playstation gets underestimated pretty much every generation and a lot of people can't seem to learn from it. Curl is far from being a Playstation fan and yet he's noticing the patterns as well.

100 million being a worst case scenario isn't a bad prediction but it's okay to discuss it.



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Kyuu said:
Norion said:

Not just victim syndrome but also reading way too deeply into things. I post a casual observation and at least one person seemed to think it was somehow me saying what I expect lifetime sales to be. Some people can get touchy when you bring up a possibility they would dislike happening and act like you're making a hard prediction.

It isn't about you specifically though. Playstation gets underestimated pretty much every generation and a lot of people can't seem to learn from it. Curl is far from being a Playstation fan and yet he's noticing the patterns as well.

100 million being a worst case scenario isn't a bad prediction but it's okay to discuss it.

I wasn't referring to Curl there, his response was fine and it is fine to discuss it. I just think some of the response it got was unwarranted since some of it was treating it as a hard prediction.



360 was a monster in the U.S but is everyone so certain that Switch wont be able to surpass it?

This holiday and next year should gove a clear indication of whats to come.
I feel like it still has a shot.

DS likely wont be reached though.



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For anyone curious about Switch OLED launch. Machina helped do some math with the UK information we have and have come to the Switch selling ~54,000 in the UK for week ending October 9. That is far bigger than the Switch Lite where we have an estimated 25,472 units for Switch for the Switch Lite launch week. 

For Japan, Famitsu reported 179,851 for Switch (138,409 for Switch OLED). This compares to Switch Lite launch with 230,060 for our estimates. 

So far we have Switch OLED with a launch over 2 times bigger than Switch Lite in the UK and smaller launch in Japan.

If the UK is an indicator for the rest of Europe, Switch sales for the OLED launch week would be around 275K-300K in Europe.

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Alistair said:

I don't hate it. I'm not ridiculing it. I think it is bad and it is a sad fall from grace for Nintendo, as they exited the home console market. And I think most gamers agree.

I don't want to drag on this topic but as someone who is first and foremost a Nintendo-gamer, owning all Nintendo consoles (except the Virtual Boy) I can somewhat relate to where Alistair is coming from. I play may Switch 95% docked and I always very much preferred Nintendo's home consoles over the handhelds. It is my wet dream that Nintendo will release a powerful home console in the future. But I understand that this is not very likely and I also understand why Nintendo is doing what they are doing. It simply makes the most sense, businesswise. Seeing that the Switch is tremendously successful, how will the successor look like? Well, most probably just a more powerful Switch (yes, probably with one or two new little gimmicks).

But how did Nintendo came to where they are now? Looking back, their handhelds were always much more successful than their home consoles and their profits even more so. You have to consider that handhelds are cheaper to make and their games are faster and cheaper to make, all resulting in adding up to the profit. Nevertheless, the Wii was tremendously successful and Nintendo thought they have found the golden formula for their home consoles, i.e. cheap casual console with a gimmick (remote controllers). But then, obviously, they didn't really understand their own golden formula and instead of continuing with just a more powerful Wii 2 (a Super Wii), they released the Wii U instead, a complete new console, expensive and with a complete new gimmick (gamepad with a screen). Sure, you still could use your Wii remote controllers on it but barely any new interesting game came out using them and the horrendous marketing did the rest to kill off the success of the Wii U.

With that, Nintendo was at their lowest point, even their newest handheld, the Nintendo 3DS, was not a success compared to its tremendously successful predecessor, the DS. I can only guess what Nintendo talked about then in their board meetings but I think they analysed the gaming market and looked at their competitors. Sony and Microsoft had successful powerful home consoles and it was clear where the road is leading to in the next generations: to even more powerful and even more expensive consoles. Sony and Microsoft will fight each other in a red ocean market with diminishing returns. So, they thought, if we enter this market as well, this red ocean will become even bloodier and the return will diminish even further. Further, they knew that Nintendo is a much smaller company than Sony and Microsoft, in order words, the war chests of their competitors are much bigger and they are able to stay in the fight for a much longer time. Sony and Microsoft can afford to sell consoles for a loss, Nintendo can't (yes they did it in the beginning for the Wii U but they hated it), Sony and Microsoft can afford to invest into expensive high-end servers for online gaming, related community services and support, etc. pp., Nintendo can't. For that, Nintendo must rely much more on expensive 3rd parties and external contractors than their competitors who have lots of the necessary knowledge and manpower inhouse. The 7. generation has shown that online gaming is huge and will have a huge growth rate. Nintendo will not really be able to compete with Sony and Microsoft on that ground. On top of it, smartphones came and became a serious thread for handheld consoles.

So what to do, they ask themselves? Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, "How about a hybrid console?", someone asked. All the others: "a hybrid console?" Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, "that's actually a very clever idea if we do it right!" Thus, project NX was born and resulted in the Nintendo Switch which in turn determined the fate of Nintendo... .



Norion said:
curl-6 said:

I'd be shocked if PS5 sells as low as 100m. Even with supply constraints it's outpacing the PS4, I see no reason at this point why it would sell less lifetime. I expect the PS + Xbox base will grow this gen to accommodate two systems both hotter than their predecessors.

The reason would be Xbox taking back some market share. 

Yeah but Microsoft launched a "complementary" console, to go alongside your Switch and/or your PS5, thus not necessary "taking back some market share"



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