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Are You Excited for GT 7?

Yes, I will get it on PS5. 28 36.84%
 
Yes, I will get it on PS4. 1 1.32%
 
Not really, but I enjoyed... 20 26.32%
 
No, but I am not intereted in GT at all. 27 35.53%
 
Total:76

So Gran Turismo 7 finally had its release date revealed yesterday. It is coming out on March 4, 2022. Compared to the PSP, PS3, and PS4 lifecycles this is a relatively early debut for GT on the new generation. I am a big fan of GT. GT Sport is my most played PS4 game at more than 80 hours of playtime. Yet for some reason I just can't get hyped for GT7 and there are a few reasons why.

1) There is nothing new or exciting about it. Even going through the press release I struggle to find any new features or gameplay modes to look forward to. They seem to be stressing the return of the GT campaign mode after singleplayer took a backseat to online play in GT Sport. But GT Sport had a ton of offline single player race events to play through. I'm sure GT7's will be better organized and more comprehensive, but it really is not that big of a change. Also why so much emphasis on the Photo mode? I enjoyed it in GT Sport but it's not the most thrilling gameplay experience.

2) The graphics don't impress me. I know we are doomed by diminishing returns but I honestly don't see much of a step up in terms of visual presentation. Even though all of the footage shown so far has been of the PS5 version, they show a lot of replays and pre-rendered visuals rather than direct gameplay. Even the gameplay footage is not that impressive. Maybe its time to change up the visual aesthetic because it all looks so plain, sterile, and artificial.

3) It's cross gen with PS4. Yeah, I can't get hyped knowing they had to make sure this game ran on PS4 hardware as well. It honestly makes the GT6 on PS3 debacle even more confusing, if anything that game should have been cross gen because the PS4 was not backwards compatible and therefore incapable of playing GT 6. Will online feature cross gen play? How much will the loading times differ? Does the pixel count for cars differ between both versions? So maybe GT8 at the end of the gen will be fully PS5 exclusive, maybe it will feature PSVR 2 support as well.

I'm sure the game will be fine and I will get it on PS5 eventually, but this isn't shaping up to be the triumphant return to glory that I was hoping it would be.



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Cross gen doesn't hold back racing games especially driving simulators lol. It's not an action/fps game, the level design and mechanics are literally the same as any driving simulator across any gen. All they need to do is to improve graphical fidelity such as resolution, fps, assets and textures, dynamic weather, and more which gives you a next gen Gran Turismo for PS5.



Crossover games are basically last-gen titles, so I completely understand why you have luke warm feelings towards GT7 - it's how I feel about all these crossover titles. I'll be glad when publishers (and especially Microsoft & Sony) move on. Looks like Sony's aiming for that to be 2023 if recent announcements are anything to go by.



I think it’s time for a Gran Turismo Kart. All of the upgradability of a Gran Turismo title with the color, fun, and mischief of Mario Kart. Let’s take this sim genre to a new place.



I enjoyed Gran Turismo immensely when I was a kid primarily GT1 and GT2, a lesser extent GT3. GT4 was when I lost interest in simulation racing games. I could also never really get into the Forza Motorsport games much either. Need For Speed, Midnight Club, Forza Horizon and Burnout were far more interesting (and still are for the most part) than simulation racing games.



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I'll be upfront and say that I've always preferred Forza to GT. That being said, I've always appreciated that the competition between the two helped to push Turn 10 to try harder with Forza games, and I hope that GT fans also appreciate that competition. Honestly though, I can't say I was all that impressed by the GT7 trailer yesterday. For starters, the music choice for the trailer was odd, between the organ at the beginning, and that annoying "neh-neh, neh-neh-neh, neh-neh-neh" song later in the trailer. But the music of the trailer is inconsequential to the game itself. As for the game, while they did fix the glaring pop-in issues from the reveal trailer in 2020, I don't see many graphics improvements that have been made in the last year. The best graphics in the new trailer come from the photo mode and replays (and the graphics on those do indeed look great, I especially love the photo mode with the thousands of scenes to choose from), but the actual gameplay graphics don't look much better than GT Sport at all. I suspect that is mostly because they decided to go the cross-gen route, not only are they releasing on both PS4 and PS5, but it's my understanding that they are building onto what was already in GT Sport, so any cars and tracks pulled from GT Sport will mostly look the same as they did in GT Sport, which means that only the new cars and tracks might feature better graphics, but even that isn't certain due to the game being cross-gen.

While building onto what was already in GT Sport will almost certainly give GT7 a significant content advantage over Forza Motorsport (also expected to release in 2022) in terms of both car and track count, I'm personally glad that Turn 10 decided to start over completely from scratch instead of building onto what was already in Forza Motorsport 7. Turn 10 is doing pretty much everything from the ground up and optimized for Xbox Series and new PC hardware; new car models, new track maps, new physics system that is far more accurate (Turn 10 claims they made more physics improvements between Motorsport 7 and this reboot, than they made across the previous 3 games combined, Motorsport 5, 6, and 7). And though we don't have true gameplay to compare between the two games at the minute, the in-engine reveal trailer did have a clip of simulated gameplay on a track, and the graphics looked quite good compared to GT7:

There was even a clip of that exact same track, Laguna Seca in California, in the GT7 trailer, and it didn't look nearly as good. Now of course that gameplay clip from the Forza Motorsport reveal trailer might be pure bullshot, and the actual in-game graphics will be worse, but I am doubtful since Forza isn't cross-gen like GT7. 

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ratolmc said:

Cross gen doesn't hold back racing games especially driving simulators lol. It's not an action/fps game, the level design and mechanics are literally the same as any driving simulator across any gen. All they need to do is to improve graphical fidelity such as resolution, fps, assets and textures, dynamic weather, and more which gives you a next gen Gran Turismo for PS5.

Except cross-gen rules out dynamic weather for online races. Unless PD splits the races.

Actually PD hasn't said anything about dynamic time and weather, maybe this will be the 2nd gen in a row where that's missing. They are adding more weather presets (obsessing over aerosol particles) but what fun is that in endurance races.

The other problem is the penalty system, will we get a serious effort this time or will it continue to promote bad driving behavior. That can be done on the server side so cross gen won't be holding that back, only PD's incompetence in enforcing racing rules.

GT Sport was designed for PS4 and PS5, the detail is already there. PS5 will simply render at higher resolution and lod. However the intention was to get rid of the baked lighting and weather for GT7 and do it real time to get dynamic races. This preview seems to just add more baked in presets. Which makes sense as the ps4 won't be able to handle real time changes.

That's two strikes for me against GT7, but PD can still get me excited if the full game will be playable in PSVR 2.0. It should be possible, it already works on ps4 with 2 cars on track. The ps5 should be enough of a step up to render the rest and up the resolution.



That's cool man, I've been waiting for a proper GT game for years.



gooch_destroyer said:

That's cool man, I've been waiting for a proper GT game for years.

GT is so freaking damn good it actually made me click the like button on a Googh post.



super_etecoon said:

I think it’s time for a Gran Turismo Kart. All of the upgradability of a Gran Turismo title with the color, fun, and mischief of Mario Kart. Let’s take this sim genre to a new place.

Well there is kart race on Gran Turismo, at least on GT 6 I played it a lot =p



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