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I will also say this: For the sake of the franchise, this game HAS to be the best-selling game in Metroid history; Or if nothing else, the best-selling 2D game in the franchise.

This game has absolutely everything going for it as to why it should.

- It has the hype, anticipation, and support from a very hungry fanbase. As evidenced by the high pre-orders and sold out Special Edition a day after the reveal.

- It has the quality or at the very least, it has the potential to be that upper-tier, fantastic game that is ranging in the high 80s-low 90s on all the review sites.

- It has the marketing and full support of Nintendo, to the point where they even have Samus as their profile picture on their Twitter account and they're posting tweets and notifications about the game non-stop. So it is CLEARLY a high priority for them to put this game out there.

- And last but not least, it is on the Switch. How many times have we heard, throughout these past 4 years, about a franchise that had a game release on the Switch and that game went on to become the best selling game in the franchise? 3D Mario, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Luigi's Mansion, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Xenoblade, Pikmin. And if they're not the best selling entry, they're getting close to it (Mario Kart, Fire Emblem) or are selling at levels the franchise has not reached in a very long time (Pokemon). Hell, even 3rd parties are getting in on the action! Monster Hunter Rise is on pace to become the best-selling 3rd party game on ANY Nintendo system EVER...

...So, why can't the same thing be true for Metroid?

As far as I'm concerned, the absolute bare minimum, the floor for Dread, should be passing Fusion. So >1.6 million. That's the floor. That's the bottom end of the spectrum it should meet. If that's all it manages to do, it would be a good accomplishment, but not nearly enough of what it should be capable of. 

This is the first brand new 2D Metroid game in 19 years and the first new game in the franchise since Other M, which was 11 years ago. And not only is it releasing on a successful system, it is releasing on what could very well become the best selling video game system of all time IN THE MIDDLE OF ITS PRIME!!!

So, as far as I'm concerned. This is it. This. Is. It. This is do-or-die. There are no more excuses. This isn't a case where it's releasing on a system that was clearly on the decline and on its way out like the 3DS with Samus Returns. Or a case where it's releasing on a system that didn't do too well or was a borderline stinker in sales like the GameCube with Prime 1 and 2. This has every single thing it could possibly have going for it to succeed. If you're a die-hard Metroid fan who wants the series to succeed, to achieve greater and higher levels of sales so that Nintendo will take it more seriously and treat it as a higher priority so that we get more games being made, you could not ask for a much better scenario than this.

If Dread or Prime 4 STILL can't do it with all that going for it, then there is just no hope for the franchise. I'm sorry. No hope and no more excuses. This is it. This is the moment of truth.

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 16 June 2021

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Vodacixi said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I hope Ridley's in this. He's pretty much the most iconic villain in the whole series, and has the cruelty to back it up.

I hope not honestly. Ridley is pretty dead by now. The original Ridley died in Super Metroid, the clone died in Other M and the X Parasite copy died in Fusion. I think three dead Ridleys are enough already xD

And that's not even including all the Ridleys that died in the Prime games.

Ridley fights are always cool, no doubt about it, but it would be nice to not have him in a game for once. There was a time when not every Metroid game had Ridley in it, I kinda miss that. Even in the main series where he showed up in 3 out of 4 games, was changed to 4 out of 4 with Samus Returns. Spoilers I guess. Anyways. Makes no sense for his character to come back again, though I'm sure they'll do it.



Vodacixi said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I hope Ridley's in this. He's pretty much the most iconic villain in the whole series, and has the cruelty to back it up.

I hope not honestly. Ridley is pretty dead by now. The original Ridley died in Super Metroid, the clone died in Other M and the X Parasite copy died in Fusion. I think three dead Ridleys are enough already xD

How'd he go from organic Ridley to Meta Ridley to back again in the Prime trilogy?



PAOerfulone said:

I will also say this: For the sake of the franchise, this game HAS to be the best-selling game in Metroid history; Or if nothing else, the best-selling 2D game in the franchise.

This game has absolutely everything going for it as to why it should.

- It has the hype, anticipation, and support from a very hungry fanbase. As evidenced by the high pre-orders and sold out Special Edition a day after the reveal.

- It has the quality or at the very least, it has the potential to be that upper-tier, fantastic game that is ranging in the high 80s-low 90s on all the review sites.

- It has the marketing and full support of Nintendo, to the point where they even have Samus as their profile picture on their Twitter account and they're posting tweets and notifications about the game non-stop. So it is CLEARLY a high priority for them to put this game out there.

- And last but not least, it is on the Switch. How many times have we heard, throughout these past 4 years, about a franchise that had a game release on the Switch and that game went on to become the best selling game in the franchise? 3D Mario, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Luigi's Mansion, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Xenoblade, Pikmin. And if they're not the best selling entry, they're getting close to it (Mario Kart, Fire Emblem) or are selling at levels the franchise has not reached in a very long time (Pokemon). Hell, even 3rd parties are getting in on the action! Monster Hunter Rise is on pace to become the best-selling 3rd party game on ANY Nintendo system EVER...

...So, why can't the same thing be true for Metroid?

As far as I'm concerned, the absolute bare minimum, the floor for Dread, should be passing Fusion. So >1.6 million. That's the floor. That's the bottom end of the spectrum it should meet. If that's all it manages to do, it would be a good accomplishment, but not nearly enough of what it should be capable of. 

This is the first brand new 2D Metroid game in 19 years and the first new game in the franchise since Other M, which was 11 years ago. And not only is it releasing on a successful system, it is releasing on what could very well become the best selling video game system of all time IN THE MIDDLE OF ITS PRIME!!!

So, as far as I'm concerned. This is it. This. Is. It. This is do-or-die. There are no more excuses. This isn't a case where it's releasing on a system that was clearly on the decline and on its way out like the 3DS with Samus Returns. Or a case where it's releasing on a system that didn't do too well or was a borderline stinker in sales like the GameCube with Prime 1 and 2. This has every single thing that going for it to succeed. If you're a die-hard Metroid fan who wants the series to succeed, to achieve greater and higher levels of sales so that Nintendo will take it more seriously and treat it as a higher priority so that we get more games being made, you could not ask for a much better scenario than this.

If Dread or Prime 4 STILL can't do it with all that going for it, then there is just no hope for the franchise. I'm sorry. No hope and no more excuses. This is it. This is the moment of truth.

I think it's cruel to give the fandom the responsibility of a popularity of a franchise, as far I'm concerned is responsibility of studios to keep their IPs appealing, not consumers to buy anything just because they don't want the IP to die. 

Talking about myself, if the reviews are good, I'm buying it, but if they are not, I won't. I guess this should be the standard behaviour of any customer right?

On side note, I think there are high chances for this to be the highest selling 2D Metroid, the bar is low and Metroidvanias popularity are increasing. The trailer and gameplay looks good as well, let's just hope for the best  



CaptainExplosion said:
Vodacixi said:

I hope not honestly. Ridley is pretty dead by now. The original Ridley died in Super Metroid, the clone died in Other M and the X Parasite copy died in Fusion. I think three dead Ridleys are enough already xD

How'd he go from organic Ridley to Meta Ridley to back again in the Prime trilogy?

I don't know but personally I find it best to separate mainline Metroid and Metroid Prime as two different stories, each with their own timeline. I know that's not officially how the canon goes, but even officially neither side seems too interested in tangling with the other anyway.



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IcaroRibeiro said:

I think it's cruel to give the fandom the responsibility of a popularity of a franchise, as far I'm concerned is responsibility of studios to keep their IPs appealing, not consumers to buy anything just because they don't want the IP to die. 

Talking about myself, if the reviews are good, I'm buying it, but if they are not, I won't. I guess this should be the standard behaviour of any customer right?

On side note, I think there are high chances for this to be the highest selling 2D Metroid, the bar is low and Metroidvanias popularity are increasing. The trailer and gameplay looks good as well, let's just hope for the best  

It is when said fandom has been crying foul and complaining about the treatment of a franchise for decades, demanding that it be given a chance and a fair shot to succeed and to show what the franchise is capable of. 

Granted, some of it was justified given how badly Nintendo has botched the franchise at points (Other M/Federation Force.) But here we are now, we have a case where they got it right.

We've got a very promising new game that has all the elements it needs to be a big hit. This is what fans have wanted for a very long time.

Well, here it is! Here is that chance! Here is that opportunity! Time to put their money where their mouths are! This is the game they always wanted, the game they demanded for nearly 2 decades! It's finally coming! And it's got all the recipes for success! It has everything it needs to be a big hit! The studio is delivering, they're doing their job. Now the fandom has to do theirs. It's put up or shut up time!



PAOerfulone said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I think it's cruel to give the fandom the responsibility of a popularity of a franchise, as far I'm concerned is responsibility of studios to keep their IPs appealing, not consumers to buy anything just because they don't want the IP to die. 

Talking about myself, if the reviews are good, I'm buying it, but if they are not, I won't. I guess this should be the standard behaviour of any customer right?

On side note, I think there are high chances for this to be the highest selling 2D Metroid, the bar is low and Metroidvanias popularity are increasing. The trailer and gameplay looks good as well, let's just hope for the best  

It is when said fandom has been crying foul and complaining about the treatment of a franchise for decades, demanding that it be given a chance and a fair shot to succeed and to show what the franchise is capable of. 

Granted, some of it was justified given how badly Nintendo has botched the franchise at points (Other M/Federation Force.) But here we are now, we have a case where they got it right.

We've got a very promising new game that has all the elements it needs to be a big hit. This is what fans have wanted for a very long time.

Well, here it is! Here is that chance! Here is that opportunity! Time to put their money where their mouths are! This is the game they always wanted, the game they demanded for nearly 2 decades! It's finally coming! And it's got all the recipes for success! It has everything it needs to be a big hit! The studio is delivering, they're doing their job. Now the fandom has to do theirs. It's put up or shut up time!

And what if the fandom is just not big enough? It's metroid, not an A-list franchise. I doubt Metroid fanbase is more than 1 million people. The other buyers as casuals who will need some push to get the game and then be converted into fans 

How many times Sony gives their games literally for free only for the sake of increasing their IPs popularity? 



CaptainExplosion said:
Vodacixi said:

I hope not honestly. Ridley is pretty dead by now. The original Ridley died in Super Metroid, the clone died in Other M and the X Parasite copy died in Fusion. I think three dead Ridleys are enough already xD

How'd he go from organic Ridley to Meta Ridley to back again in the Prime trilogy?

Actually the Prime Series manages to explain that better than other entries, Ridely was in the original Metroid where is considered that you defeat him, but is never explained how it was revived in Super Metroid, but okay in that game it's considered that you kill him, then Prime and Fusion came out at the same time, Fusion takes the route that the idiots at the federation tried to replicate and take advantage of the bioforms Samus has fought before like in SR388, they got ahold of ridley corpse and after it is infested with x-parasites you fight a Ridely clone made by said parasites, in Prime which came at the same time but was placed in the timeline between Metroid and Metroid II it was explained that the pirates were not simply the Zebesian monsters/foot soldiers you find in 2D games starting with super metroid and reintroduced in Zero Mission and Samus returns retellings, and Other M, Prime states that the pirates are a group composed by several species of organisms that are at war with and represent a great threat to the Galactic Federation of Planets, the pirates not only have advanced technology surpassing that of the Federation, but also are genius scientists that carry out "ilegal" experimentation on living organisms including biological changes like altering their own genetic code, implementation of cybernetics, and above all are experts at cloning, a report for meta-ridley from a pirates log states:

"The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes, Command ordered a number of metagenetic improvements for him. Though aggressive, we were able to implement these changes in a cycle. The metamorphosis was painful, but quite successful in the end. Early tests indicate a drastic increase in strength, mobility, and offensive capability. Cybernetic modules and armor plating have been added as well.

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foxmccloud64 said:

"The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes, Command ordered a number of metagenetic improvements for him. Though aggressive, we were able to implement these changes in a cycle. The metamorphosis was painful, but quite successful in the end. Early tests indicate a drastic increase in strength, mobility, and offensive capability. Cybernetic modules and armor plating have been added as well.

Just happened to be listening to this while reading that...

Man, Metroid Prime was good.



IcaroRibeiro said:

And what if the fandom is just not big enough? It's metroid, not an A-list franchise. I doubt Metroid fanbase is more than 1 million people. The other buyers as casuals who will need some push to get the game and then be converted into fans 

How many times Sony gives their games literally for free only for the sake of increasing their IPs popularity? 

It hasn't been issue on the Switch thus far. Nearly every Nintendo franchise across the board has had its best selling game on the system because not only has the studio had the proper marketing, support, and resources behind it to do it. It has had the foundation successfully put in place where that game is automatically starting from a position of strength, rather than weakness. Right out of the gate, it is in a position to where it can achieve those numbers and Metroid should be no different. Fire Emblem, Pikmin, and Xenoblade aren't exactly A-list franchises either. But all three of them are not only succeeding on the Switch, they're thriving. That's what happens when you have a system that is white hot like the Switch is, everything sells. Because the casuals who love the brand will automatically associate the game with the brand and THAT'S where those other buyers come from. So, if Metroid DOESN'T sell, while everything else is... That is not a good look. At all. 

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 16 June 2021