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Forums - Sales Discussion - Famitsu sales: Week 17, 2021 - (Apr 19 - Apr 25)

curl-6 said:
Otter said:

Yeah the 100k+ mark is frequently achieved and what i would consider uncomplicated, but I think the 2 big games you referenced are in-fact "complicated" since they have very particular circumstances which led to their level of success as opposed to just a combination of effort & critical reception. 

I dare say Olive Town is actually a better example 

What "complicated" about MH Rise and Momotaro?

The former is an entry in a franchise that's more popular any oxygen in Japan, so it sells like crack. Seems pretty simple to me.

Momotaro is a series that's traditionally popular on home systems and as this is the first one in a while that can be played on TV, it sells like crack.

Neither seems like an alignment of the stars or lightning in a bottle to me, just historically popular franchises selling well on Switch.

No Momotaro game ever sold over a million copies before and now the newest entry is outselling the previously best-selling entry by over 3 to 1 and is Konami's best-selling game ever in Japan.

Since it looks like the next Yu-Gi-Oh game is also going to be massively popular I guess it's just the Switch, but if that game sell 2mil copies it would just mean it's back to it's previous highpoint, but in Momtaro's case that's a massive overperformance.



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Kakadu18 said:
curl-6 said:

What "complicated" about MH Rise and Momotaro?

The former is an entry in a franchise that's more popular any oxygen in Japan, so it sells like crack. Seems pretty simple to me.

Momotaro is a series that's traditionally popular on home systems and as this is the first one in a while that can be played on TV, it sells like crack.

Neither seems like an alignment of the stars or lightning in a bottle to me, just historically popular franchises selling well on Switch.

No Momotaro game ever sold over a million copies before and now the newest entry is outselling the previously best-selling entry by over 3 to 1 and is Konami's best-selling game ever in Japan.

Since it looks like the next Yu-Gi-Oh game is also going to be massively popular I guess it's just the Switch, but if that game sell 2mil copies it would just mean it's back to it's previous highpoint, but in Momtaro's case that's a massive overperformance.

It's impressive, but I don't think it's really that complicated.

These days the best selling games just generally sell more than they have in the past; the last few years saw both Nintendo and Sony repeatedly breaking series records with their software and Capcom for example having both the best selling RE game and their best selling game ever in MH World. Momotaro seems to benefit from this trend plus the huge success of the Switch.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
Kakadu18 said:

No Momotaro game ever sold over a million copies before and now the newest entry is outselling the previously best-selling entry by over 3 to 1 and is Konami's best-selling game ever in Japan.

Since it looks like the next Yu-Gi-Oh game is also going to be massively popular I guess it's just the Switch, but if that game sell 2mil copies it would just mean it's back to it's previous highpoint, but in Momtaro's case that's a massive overperformance.

It's impressive, but I don't think it's really that complicated.

These days the best selling games just generally sell more than they have in the past; the last few years saw both Nintendo and Sony repeatedly breaking series records with their software and Capcom for example having both the best selling RE game and their best selling game ever in MH World. Momotaro seems to benefit from this trend plus the huge success of the Switch.

Complicated in that other devs can't just easily replicate MH success, it's in a world of its own. In that sense it is lighting in a bottle. Equally momotaro performed in a way that no one could have anticipated and has not been replicated by other games. So I would not use these as examples of how simple and uncomplicated is for 3rd parties to find huge hits



Otter said:
curl-6 said:

It's impressive, but I don't think it's really that complicated.

These days the best selling games just generally sell more than they have in the past; the last few years saw both Nintendo and Sony repeatedly breaking series records with their software and Capcom for example having both the best selling RE game and their best selling game ever in MH World. Momotaro seems to benefit from this trend plus the huge success of the Switch.

Complicated in that other devs can't just easily replicate MH success, it's in a world of its own. In that sense it is lighting in a bottle. Equally momotaro performed in a way that no one could have anticipated, so I would not use these as examples of how simple and uncomplicated is for 3rd parties to find huge hits. 

Still doesn't seem at all complicated to me. Capcom put a popular franchise on Switch and it sold well. Konami gave it a go with Momotaro and hit it big. Neither seems like an unrepeatable perfect storm or anything of that nature.



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Top 20 Third Party Games November 2020 - April 2021

  1. [NSW] Momotaro Dentetsu (Konami) - 2.125.061
  2. [NSW] Monster Hunter Rise (Capcom) - 1.970.371
  3. [NSW] Minecraft (Microsoft) - 366.830
  4. [NSW] Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (Koei Tecmo) - 358.327
  5. [NSW] Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town (Marvelous) - 274.926
  6. [NSW] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 150.434
  7. [NSW] Bravely Default II (Square Enix) - 136.091
  8. [NSW] Derby Stallion (Game Addict) - 121.740
  9. [PS4] Cyberpunk 2077 (Spike Chunsoft) - 115.813
  10. [PS4] NieR Replicant (Square Enix) - 108.838
  11. [NSW] Human: Fall Flat (Teyon Japan) - 95.086
  12. [NSW] Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (Sega) - 92.511
  13. [NSW] Fitness Boxing 2 (Imagineer) - 91.534
  14. [NSW] Dragon Quest XI S (Square Enix) - 89.592
  15. [NSW] Fishing Spirits (Bandai Namco) - 77.575
  16. [PS4] Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin (Marvelous) - 77.240
  17. [NSW] Little Nightmares II (Bandai Namco) - 66.414
  18. [NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Rhythmic Adventure Pack (Bandai Namco) - 64.948
  19. [NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! (Bandai Namco) - 61.532
  20. [PS4] Assassin's Creed: Valhalla (Ubisoft) - 61.345

TOTAL: 6.506.208

NSW TOTAL: 6.142.972 (94.4%)

PS4 TOTAL: 363.236 (5.6%)

Just to further highlight the difference we are seeing in Japan and what to expect in the next few years. For comparison the combined Third Party sales for 2019 & 2020 in the Top 20 on the Switch was below 6 million. Meaning that just across 17 titles since November, third parties have achieved sales that greatly outperform prior years. 



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Konami and Capcom are one or two games away from overtaking Bandai Namco as the biggest third party publishers on the Switch. It should basically happen around Obon after Pro Baseball Spirits/Yu-Gi-Oh and MH Stories 2 sold a decent amount.

Konami has sold more software than Namco on PS1 and PS2 but has never beaten Bandai Namco (or Namco and Bandai combined) on a market leading console.



As far as future third party Switch games Monster Hunter Stories 2, Rune Factory 5, Shin Megami Tensei 5, Samurai Warriors 5, (man that's a lot of 5s!) and potentially Project Triangle Strategy should be significant.

Then of course there's first party Megatons like Pokemon D/P remakes, Legends Arceus, and Splatoon 3...



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

No famitsu sales thread this week?? If no. Any reason why??



Valdney said:

No famitsu sales thread this week?? If no. Any reason why??

Golden week, I think. Next week we should get two weeks combined.



Kakadu18 said:
Valdney said:

No famitsu sales thread this week?? If no. Any reason why??

Golden week, I think. Next week we should get two weeks combined.

Yep, this is correct.  If I recall from this time last year, we might get some leaks before next Thursday but official Famitsu numbers won't be out for another week.



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