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eva01beserk on 02 July 2021
Welfare said:
eva01beserk said:

This also isn't true. Thouse 2 reports where very diferent dates. The physical gap was at launch and the physical and digital was for the entire month. 

This dosent mean digital was higher during that time for Xbox just that over the course of the month the Xbox sold more copies over all and closed the gap.

I honestly belive that when xbox fans realised that it wasent coming to gamepass then they desided to buy it. Seems to be instintive to just wait and see with gamepass. 

Week 1 Estimate: 50,000
Week 4 Estimate: 81,400 - 83,900

From Era.

Week 1 would be PS 40K and XB 10K.

Week 4 at 65:35 would be PS 54K and XB 29K

So at launch it's a massive blowout where Xbox sells 1/4th of PlayStation, but Weeks 2, 3, and 4 it sells 50% more?

Illogical. Digital is simply higher. Much higher.

I already mention the reason. Its a game rumored to be on gamepass. So the higher sales on PlayStation at start its just that. Xbox gamers waiting to hear its coming and buing it later when told it wasent. Preorders does not create demand. If those xbox gamers where gona play the game buying at launch or later they will get the game. 

What would be illogical is that that trend continues and then just passing the PlayStation. But all is doing is ending up where the 2 to 1 rate said it would be. 



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Welfare on 02 July 2021
eva01beserk said:
Welfare said:

Week 1 Estimate: 50,000
Week 4 Estimate: 81,400 - 83,900

From Era.

Week 1 would be PS 40K and XB 10K.

Week 4 at 65:35 would be PS 54K and XB 29K

So at launch it's a massive blowout where Xbox sells 1/4th of PlayStation, but Weeks 2, 3, and 4 it sells 50% more?

Illogical. Digital is simply higher. Much higher.

I already mention the reason. Its a game rumored to be on gamepass. So the higher sales on PlayStation at start its just that. Xbox gamers waiting to hear its coming and buing it later when told it wasent. Preorders does not create demand. If those xbox gamers where gona play the game buying at launch or later they will get the game. 

What would be illogical is that that trend continues and then just passing the PlayStation. But all is doing is ending up where the 2 to 1 rate said it would be. 

These ~80:20 splits at retail have been a thing for years, long before AAA games were even thought to launch in Game Pass.

Also what rumors had RE8 as a Game Pass title? If anything people thought it couldn't be because it was before launch that the news Sony BLOCKED the game from being a GP title came out https://gamerant.com/resident-evil-village-xbox-game-pass-sony-deal/

It's also interesting how at retail the splits go 80:20, but when digital is added the splits swing towards Xbox. Do you believe every single Japanese game just magically sells more on Xbox after week 1?

Does this make sense to you, because you are arguing for this to be the case in order for digital to have no impact on the splits.

Week 1 - ~50K
PS: 40K
XB: 10K

Week 2 - ~20K
PS: 9K
XB: 11K

Week 3 - ~8K
PS: 3K
XB: 5K

Week 4 - ~5K
PS: 2K
XB: 3K

When has that ever happened.

Never. Digital is simply much higher on Xbox, by +10-20 points.



Won bet with t3mporary_126 - I correctly predicted that the Wii U's LTD at the end of 2014 would be closer to 9 million than 10 million. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6673287

kazuyamishima on 02 July 2021
Welfare said:
eva01beserk said:

I already mention the reason. Its a game rumored to be on gamepass. So the higher sales on PlayStation at start its just that. Xbox gamers waiting to hear its coming and buing it later when told it wasent. Preorders does not create demand. If those xbox gamers where gona play the game buying at launch or later they will get the game. 

What would be illogical is that that trend continues and then just passing the PlayStation. But all is doing is ending up where the 2 to 1 rate said it would be. 

These ~80:20 splits at retail have been a thing for years, long before AAA games were even thought to launch in Game Pass.

Also what rumors had RE8 as a Game Pass title? If anything people thought it couldn't be because it was before launch that the news Sony BLOCKED the game from being a GP title came out https://gamerant.com/resident-evil-village-xbox-game-pass-sony-deal/

It's also interesting how at retail the splits go 80:20, but when digital is added the splits swing towards Xbox. Do you believe every single Japanese game just magically sells more on Xbox after week 1?

Does this make sense to you, because you are arguing for this to be the case in order for digital to have no impact on the splits.

Week 1 - ~50K
PS: 40K
XB: 10K

Week 2 - ~20K
PS: 9K
XB: 11K

Week 3 - ~8K
PS: 3K
XB: 5K

Week 4 - ~5K
PS: 2K
XB: 3K

When has that ever happened.

Never. Digital is simply much higher on Xbox, by +10-20 points.

The “rumour” about Sony blocking RE8 not to being on Gamepass is false and out of proportion. The only deal that Sony makes with the third parties (MS aswell), is to receive the best experience possible if the system allows it.

Also, is there any confirmation that digital sales are higher on Xbox than PS systems? The only article “confirming” this dates from 2019, when the digital sales on PS consoles were way lower than the physical counter part. But the trend changed drastically in 2020 and intensified in 2021. 



Welfare on 02 July 2021
kazuyamishima said:
Welfare said:

These ~80:20 splits at retail have been a thing for years, long before AAA games were even thought to launch in Game Pass.

Also what rumors had RE8 as a Game Pass title? If anything people thought it couldn't be because it was before launch that the news Sony BLOCKED the game from being a GP title came out https://gamerant.com/resident-evil-village-xbox-game-pass-sony-deal/

It's also interesting how at retail the splits go 80:20, but when digital is added the splits swing towards Xbox. Do you believe every single Japanese game just magically sells more on Xbox after week 1?

Does this make sense to you, because you are arguing for this to be the case in order for digital to have no impact on the splits.

Week 1 - ~50K
PS: 40K
XB: 10K

Week 2 - ~20K
PS: 9K
XB: 11K

Week 3 - ~8K
PS: 3K
XB: 5K

Week 4 - ~5K
PS: 2K
XB: 3K

When has that ever happened.

Never. Digital is simply much higher on Xbox, by +10-20 points.

The “rumour” about Sony blocking RE8 not to being on Gamepass is false and out of proportion. The only deal that Sony makes with the third parties (MS aswell), is to receive the best experience possible if the system allows it.

Also, is there any confirmation that digital sales are higher on Xbox than PS systems? The only article “confirming” this dates from 2019, when the digital sales on PS consoles were way lower than the physical counter part. But the trend changed drastically in 2020 and intensified in 2021. 

The point is that the only thing regarding RE8 being on Game Pass that got traction was that it couldn't be. There was nothing indicating it would be on Game Pass.

RE8 split shifting from 80:20 retail only to 65:35 with digital added is the most recent confirmation. Xbox would benefit just as much, if not more than PS when it comes to increasing digital share since 2019 considering the Xbox One SAD was a big seller in holiday 2019 and Series S is generally a higher percentage of XBS sales compared to the DE and PS5.



Won bet with t3mporary_126 - I correctly predicted that the Wii U's LTD at the end of 2014 would be closer to 9 million than 10 million. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6673287

src on 09 September 2021

FF : 80% (US/K)

Nier: 89% (UK)

Hitman: 75/20 (UK)

Outriders: 83/17 (UK)

ME:LE : 68/32(UK)

Biomutant: 71/29 (UK)

C2077 (2020): 62/38 (WW)

Metro Exodus: 77/23 (UK)

Scarlet Nexus: 80/20 (UK)

F1 : 66/34 (UK)

Hades: 93/7 (UK)

NFL: 81/19 (UK)

Updated list. Once again I am astounded. Playstation is getting 70-80% of software sales in Xbox's 2nd best market. If the UK splits are this one sided I can only imagine what the global splits are, especially for Japanese games.

We could be looking at Playstation getting 80% of all console software sales.



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brute on 09 September 2021

Gamepass really affecting those software sales ot seems.



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hiccupthehuman on 09 September 2021

People keep ignoring digital sales over and over.

Games Industry sheds some light on digital sales split. This is based on the UK in 2020.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-04-08-download-our-state-of-console-and-pc-games-market-worldwide-2020-report-for-free

This last paragraph is derived from ALL digital game sales of ALL games in 2020 in the UK. As you can see, the digital sales split is 61%/39% PS/XB. And this is ALL games in 2020, which includes big PS4 exclusives that skew this data, like LoU2, FF7R and GoT.

For multiplats, the digital sales console ratio on Xbox is at least 40%+.

Other things from the report to note, despite 2020 being a record year for gaming due to people staying in doors playing games, new console launches; physical game sales stayed flat (growth of +2%), while digital games sales maintained its rapid growth (growth +74%). Digital distribution is the future. It makes no sense to keep only focusing on physical game sales.

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src on 10 September 2021

That's 2020. 2021 has seen a increasing win for Playstation. Also digital ratios are not too different between PS and XB so they won't reverse the scene shown by physical splits dramatically.

Even on the lower end of 60%, that could still mean a 70% WW ratio.



hiccupthehuman on 10 September 2021

2021 hasn't changed that much.

RE8 was 80/20 PS/XB physical only.
But when including digital, the split was 65/35 PS/XB. That is not an insignificant difference. And it shows that the digital sales on XB are higher than physical, and at least 40-45% if they brought the 20% share to 35%.

"Even on the lower end of 60%, that could still mean a 70% WW ratio."
Well, the ratio of PS to XB worldwide is 70%/30%, so Xbox is performing according to expectations.

Last edited by hiccupthehuman - on 10 September 2021

src on 10 September 2021
hiccupthehuman said:

2021 hasn't changed that much.

RE8 was 80/20 PS/XB physical only.
But when including digital, the split was 65/35 PS/XB. That is not an insignificant difference. And it shows that the digital sales on XB are higher than physical, and at least 40-45% if they brought the 20% share to 35%.

"Even on the lower end of 60%, that could still mean a 70% WW ratio."
Well, the ratio of PS to XB worldwide is 70%/30%, so Xbox is performing according to expectations.

Where's the 65/35 stat from?

That is true, 120:50 is 70:30. That's an immense monopoly to have on the sales of a medium. Pretty much makes it impossible for MS to get big third party exclusives and very easy for Sony to.