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Runa216 said:
Darashiva said:

#8

Bloodborne (PS4)

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Bloodborne is the best game of the last console generation, and in many ways the best game FromSoftware has ever made, though it's not their highest ranking game on my list. I love the world of Bloodborne, how in the beginning of the game it comes off as almost a classic horror story with werewolves and monsters born from misuse of blood, but the further you get in the story the more the facade in front of the real horror begins to crumble, revealing an eldritch world existing right beside our own.

The lore and history of Yharnam and its inhabitants are some of the most amazing, and haunting, pieces of writing I've ever encountered in video games, seeing how the often understandable, and even relatable, mistakes shaped the city into what it is today. How people who just wanted to do something good ended up releasing the worst kind of beasts and monsters into the world due to their pride and ambition. It's a world that is filled with despair and suffering, and yet it's a place I am going to return to over and over again, just to see what new things I can find the next time I enter it.

I am loving so many of the games you have on your list. These last three in particular are some of my faves as well, with Bloodborne being the #1 for me (not influenced by nostalgia on The SNES)

I'm very glad to hear that. I still have seven games to cover and the overall summary of my list to come, so hopefully there's still some more games you like to come.



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Darashiva said:
Runa216 said:

I am loving so many of the games you have on your list. These last three in particular are some of my faves as well, with Bloodborne being the #1 for me (not influenced by nostalgia on The SNES)

I'm very glad to hear that. I still have seven games to cover and the overall summary of my list to come, so hopefully there's still some more games you like to come.

based on what I've seen, I'm sure we have some overlap. I have a lot more SNES games on my list, though. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

RankTitlePlatform(s)DeveloperYear
#50PortalPS3/PCValve2007
#49Guitar Hero IIPS2Harmonix 2006
#48Resident Evil 4PS2/GCN/Wii/PS4 Capcom2005
#47Super Mario OdysseySwitchNintendo2017
#46Portal 2PS3/PCValve2011
#45Mario Kart 8/DeluxeWiiU/SwitchNintendo

2014/2017

#44Axiom VergeSwitch/PS4/PCThomas Happ Games2015
#43The MessengerSwitch/PS4/PCSabotage Studio2018
#42Mega Man X4PS1Capcom1997
#41Red Dead RedemptionPS3/360Rockstar2010
#40MinecraftPC/PS4/Switch/XBOMojang2011
#39Donkey Kong Country: Tropical FreezeWiiU/SwitchNintendo2014/2018
#38New Super Mario Bros. U/DeluxeWiiU/SwitchNintendo2012/2019
#37TerrariaEverythingRe-Logic2011
#36Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible LairSwitch/PS4Playtonic2019
#35Demon's SoulsPS3Fromsoft2009
#34Rock Band 4PS4/XBOHarmonix2015
#33Donkey Kong CountrySNESNintendo1994
#32Ratchet & Clank Up Your ArsenalPS2Insomniac2004
#31Dark SoulsPS3/360Fromsoft2011
#30Assassin's Creed IV: Black FlagPS3/PS4/Switch/XBOUbisoft2013
#29God of WarPS4Sony2018
#28Super Mario World: Yoshi's IslandSNESNintendo1995
#27Sekiro: Shadows Die TwicePS4/XBO/PCFromsoft2019
#26The Legend of Zelda: The Wind WakerGamecubeNintendo2002
#25Pokemon Black/WhiteDSNintendo2010
#24Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in TimePS3Insomniac2009
#23

Final Fantasy IX

PS1Squaresoft2000
#22Final Fantasy VIIIPS1Squaresoft1999
#21Mega Man 2NESCapcom1988
#20Dark Souls IIIPS4/XBO/PCFromsoft2016
#19Red Dead Redemption IIPS4/XBORockstar2018
#18Mega Man X3SNESCapcpm1996
#17Mega Man X2SNESCapcom1995
#16Super Smash Bros. UltimateSwitchNintendo2018
#15The Legend of Zelda: Breath of The WildSwitchNintendo2017
#14Rock Band 2PS3/360Harmonix2008
#13Super Mario Bros. 3NESNintendo1988
#12Final Fantasy XPS2Square-Enix2001
#11The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimPS3/360/PCBethesda2011
#10Final Fantasy XIIPS2Square-Enix2006
#9Super Mario WorldSNESNintendo1990
#8Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong QuestSNESNintendo1995
#7Final Fantasy VIIPS1Square-Enix1997
#6Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double TroubleSNESNintendo1996
#5Mega Man XSNESCapcom1993
#4BloodbornePS4Fromsoft2015
#3The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the PastSNESNintendo1991
#2Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven StarsSNESNintendo1996
#1Final Fantasy VISNESSquare-Enix1994

This here is my total list. Honestly it's a little weird and off since my ACTUAL top 50 has a lot of collections and groups of games. Like, Pokemon and Rock Band? I see that more like one game that adds more and more with each expansion so I have the entire franchise listed as a single entry. Same with Ratchet & Clank, so many of those games are among my favourites that I just lump them in together. Sure, there are some games that aren't in my list (Into the Nexus, Quest for Booty, All 4 One, etc), but the franchise as a whole is what impresses me so I just put it all as one entry. 

Other franchises have distinct differences in games. Like Final Fantasy has I think more than ten entries on my list, but each game is its own thing so they each get their own slot....but not really. I can never chose between VII, X, and XII, so I just give them a three way tie. Same with IV/V and VIII/IX. Those seven titles hold 3 slots on my top 50. Again, it's complicated. Then there's Donkey Kong Country, I have the SNES trilogy in one slot, and the Retro games (Returns/Tropical Freeze) in another slot. Mega Man X's SNES trilogy takes up one slot while the PS1 trilogy has its own slot since there's a huge difference in quality (Though I might just remove the PS1 trilogy, add X4 to the SNES trilogy and make it the 'Legacy Collection', but that doesn't feel right because there's no way I like X4 more than, say, Bloodborne). 

HEre's my actual list with stuff sorta bundled up to be more accurately reflected (Yes, many of the SNES games have mega nostalgia points for me): 

1 - Final Fantasy VI 

2 - Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

3 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

4 - Donkey Kong Country SNES Trilogy

5 - Mega Man X SNES Trilogy

6 - Bloodborne

7 - Final Fantasy VII/X/XII

8 - Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World

9 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

10 - Rock Band (As a franchise)

11 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

12 - Red Dead Redemption II

13 - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

14 - Mega Man 2

15 - Final Fantasy VIII/IX

16 - Ratchet & Clank 

17 - Dark Souls III

18 - Pokemon

19 - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

20 - Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice

21 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island

22 - God of War (2018)

23 - Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag

24 - Dark Souls

25 - Donkey Kong Country Returns/Tropical Freeze

I was going to go up to 50 but this is getting tedius. After the top 25 it starts to get a bit squishy. Things change daily and every time I look at the list I wanna change the order a bit. Like, before I even looked here I had Final Fantasy IV/V ahead of Dark Souls for some reason...and that ain't right. So here's my top 25, a list that actually includes like 50 games on its own if you include every game in every franchise that is worthy of a slot on this list. 



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

BraLoD said:

My hint for my number 1 is: the best game ever, obviously.

Chrono Trigger it is then!



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Mnementh said:
#1Heroes of Might and Magic III
guessed byUnderwaterFunktown
platformWindows
release year1999
developer/publisherNew World Computing/3DO
genreturn based strategy
linksWikipedia
past years2019: #1, 2018: #1, 2017: #1

And finally: my #1 game of 2020 is my #1 of 2019, 2018 and 2017: Heroes of Might and Magic III. Surprise, surprise.

So this game is a great combination. You manage your resources, build your cities and send your heroes into the world, exploring, claiming artifacts, resources and troops and battling the enemy. Battle is a good tactical hexfield fight. This game gives a pretty good impression of you being an emperor controlling your lands in a fantasy world with magic. The different factions have so many mythical creatures battling on their side.

It is no problem, even these days, to pick up the game and create a random map to battle it out with a few CPU-players. Or to play the great single player campaigns again. It just still works. I never really tried multiplayer though. The game has a map-editor and a lot of complexity with upgrading capabilities for both your cities and your heroes.

The presentation works still to this day, although the 2D graphics may seem outdated for todays standards. But the sprites are nice with afew effects here and there. The music is great (although HoMM II has orchestral music on CD beating this).

The game is from the legendary strategy specialist dev New World Computing. They invented the whole sub-series of Heroes (apparently based on an earlier game by them, King's Bounty, which I probably should play one of these days). Sadly, as the mother company 3DO got into financial trouble it also meant the end of New World Computing.

This works well under Linux with the Windows-emulator Wine, but there is also a project called VCMI that modernizes the engine and allow for modding. Ubisoft also released a HD remaster of the game. So plenty of options to play it today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJRKWfzpuA

Added to my GoG wishlist.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Mnementh said:
#1Heroes of Might and Magic III
guessed byUnderwaterFunktown
platformWindows
release year1999
developer/publisherNew World Computing/3DO
genreturn based strategy
linksWikipedia
past years2019: #1, 2018: #1, 2017: #1

And finally: my #1 game of 2020 is my #1 of 2019, 2018 and 2017: Heroes of Might and Magic III. Surprise, surprise.

So this game is a great combination. You manage your resources, build your cities and send your heroes into the world, exploring, claiming artifacts, resources and troops and battling the enemy. Battle is a good tactical hexfield fight. This game gives a pretty good impression of you being an emperor controlling your lands in a fantasy world with magic. The different factions have so many mythical creatures battling on their side.

It is no problem, even these days, to pick up the game and create a random map to battle it out with a few CPU-players. Or to play the great single player campaigns again. It just still works. I never really tried multiplayer though. The game has a map-editor and a lot of complexity with upgrading capabilities for both your cities and your heroes.

The presentation works still to this day, although the 2D graphics may seem outdated for todays standards. But the sprites are nice with afew effects here and there. The music is great (although HoMM II has orchestral music on CD beating this).

The game is from the legendary strategy specialist dev New World Computing. They invented the whole sub-series of Heroes (apparently based on an earlier game by them, King's Bounty, which I probably should play one of these days). Sadly, as the mother company 3DO got into financial trouble it also meant the end of New World Computing.

This works well under Linux with the Windows-emulator Wine, but there is also a project called VCMI that modernizes the engine and allow for modding. Ubisoft also released a HD remaster of the game. So plenty of options to play it today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJRKWfzpuA

Added to my GoG wishlist.

I remember having tons of fun with this game a long time ago. Maybe I should give it a try once again.



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Mnementh said:
#28StarCraft/Brood War
guessed byUnderwaterFunktown
platformWindows
release year1998
developer/publisherBlizzard Entertainment
genrereal time strategy
linksWikipedia
download for free
past years2019: #25, 2018: #25, 2017: #25

Starcraft is a historic game. It mixed the formula for real time strategy in a way, which was wildly successful. It was also the game, that spawned e-Sport leagues starting in Korea. It was a mainstay in LAN-parties for more than a decade. The included map editor created a lively online community sharing new creations. Blizzard supported that by releasing the Map of the Month for a long time. Among the user creations were maps that started the Tower Defense genre. Blizzard introduced the expansion Brood War, which added a lot of content and kept the game alive for even longer. I think it is fair to say, that the gaming world today would look different without StarCraft.

This game was a lot of fun to play. At college a group of friends often met to play StarCraft matches locally in the LAN. And without them I played the single player campaign. Which was doubled by Brood War.

The game has a sci-fi setting with three warring civilizations, humans and the alien races of Zerg and Protoss. Each faction has their own research tree, own units and specialties. Again, reasearch and unit types were extended by the excellent Brood War expansion.

By the way, it is unintentional that now for the third year StarCraft ranks #25. I make the lists new each time, and other games jumped around quite a bit. So it is kinda funny StarCraft is stuck exactly in the middle of my list.

If you want to play it today, you can download the original game (well, with a lot of patches that came over the years) for free from Blizzard, or you can purchase the remastered version. Either way, it is a great classic game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI

Well, I didn't know Starcraft was free. I've never been that big of a fan of RTS. I prefer to be able to pause my game and think out my next move. But since it's free, and it's a pretty much mandatory lesson in gaming101 I'll download it and play it sometime this year.

Darashiva said:

#30

Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES)

Change YOY: -3

The highest ranking NES game on my list, as well as the highest ranking Mario game. It's just impressive to me how a game from over 30 years ago still holds up to the extent that it remains among the best 2D platformers ever made. Nintendo basically got the genre right decades ago, something that many developers are still struggling with today.

The gameplay and stage design here are essentially perfect. There's nothing missing and nothing that doesn't need to be there, and that's all you need in an old-school Mario game. Everything else is just added flavour on top. The music is iconic, the visuals perfect for what they need to be, and the story really just doesn't matter. 

Well of course they perfected it. They practically invented the genre. Sure there were other games before Mario such as Pitfall, but those were primordial ooze compared to the original Super Mario Bros. And SMB3 just knocks the original out of the park.



mZuzek said:


Guessed by @Jpcc86

This game is just awesome, I have no other words to describe it. It looks awesome, it sounds awesome, and it plays really awesome. Like, seriously, the gameplay is soooo good. I haven't gone back to it since last year, and I'm not sure why, because I often find myself thinking I should replay it. I get the feeling that whenever I do, it's gonna be really special going through it all over again. This is easily the Switch's best exclusive in my eyes, I just hope more people would play it.

Top 50 >>

Damn it I really need to get on with my games this year. Last year was a disaster for me thanks to insane amounts of overtime, and me deciding to play three very very long games, that pretty much took up all my gaming time entirely.

mZuzek said:

Yeah, buying Cyberpunk was not a good idea. Maybe would've been fine if it was a glitchy mess like everyone says, but unfortunately it hasn't been. Guess I'll post about Smash tomorrow, and leave another hint for now.

#19 - This was the first game in the series to have the protagonist talk in monologues. The second game to do this was very infamous for it.

Haha, same! Been playing Cyberpunk and working on the 3rd party society thread for most of December. Now I'm friggin buried in this thread. :P

Mnementh said:
#18The Secret of Monkey Island
guessed byThe_Liquid_Laser
platformDOS
release year1990
developer/publisherLucasfilm Games (aka LucasArts)
genrepoint-and-click adventure
linksWikipedia
play in browser (archive.org)
past years2019: #19, 2018: #17, 2017: #20

I loved LucasArts adventures and the first Monkey Island is one fine example of their great work. The game was designed by Ron Gilbert, Tim Schafer and Dave Grossman and is a great achievement for them.

This great is not made with difficult puzzles in mind (although they can sometimes quite the brainteasers) or action and player death. The main focus for this game lies in exploration and just outright fun. The game has humour at each corner. Like the above message after you poisoned the guard dogs. Or who played it might remember the red herring (which was an infamous item in one of the Zork games, as it had no use in any puzzle). Or the hollow tree stump which you can examine further. Or the guy who wants to be asked about Loom. And most importantly the time you learn sword-fight.

The premise of the game is simple: You play Guybrush Threepwood and you want to become a pirate. For that you have to overcome three trials. In the course of the story you also want to win the heart of Elaine Marley and then there is this rumour about the ghost pirate LeChuck!

The game is a classic and pretty much every adventure fan should experience this joyride. If you own an old copy, you can run it again with the trusty DosBox or ScummVM. If you need a copy, you get the special edition with beefed up graphics (which in my opinion miss in part some charme of the original) but also the possibility to switch to original graphics at diverse shops. Or you can play it in the browser at archive.org.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9ahZQ7oP0

Also added to my GoG wishlist.

Mnementh said:
#17Kid Icarus: Uprising
guessed byJpcc86
platform3DS
release year2012
developer/publisherSora/Nintendo
genreshooter
linksWikipedia
past years2019: #18, 2018: #20, 2017: #16

And another reason why the 3DS is one of the best systems of all times is Kid Icarus: Uprising. Created by Masahiro Sakurai (Kirby, Smash Bros) this game was the sequel for the nearly two decades dormant Kid Icarus IP. Sakurai modernized the gameplay and added some stuff, and some more stuff and even more stuff. This game is filled with endless possibilities.

The single player mode sees you playing through missions, which each consists of a flying part in which you are restricted in your movements to the screen and the main flight path controlled by Palutena, while you shoot enemies. Then a ground part, were you move more freely. And finally a boss fight. Sakurai throws in enough stuff to keep things fresh though.

The story is long-winded and includes an enourmous cast of mythical characters. This includes a whole bunch of gods and their champions. And all of them are constantly talking in some banter, mostly at the expense of Pit, the playable character.

The difficulty of the missions can be adjusted, but you risk more hearts on higher difficulties, but may get bigger rewards too. The game also has an enourmous amount of weapons and other stuff. A multiplayer mode is also included. This game blew me away and kept me glued to the 3DS for a long time. I think this game would be a great candidate for a remake or even a sequel on Switch, so Nintendo take the hint!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGR8wXl4QTM

Why the heck don't I own this? Adding to my 3DS wishlist now.

Mnementh said:
#15Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth
guessed byThe_Liquid_Laser
platform3DS
release year2014
developer/publisherAtlus
genreRPG
linksWikipedia
past years2019: #15, 2018: #15, 2017: #11

Did you ever ask yourself what would happen, if you mix the characters of Persona with the gameplay of Etrian Odyssey? Well, we know what happened, it is called Persona Q.

Mixing the labyrinth exploration of Etrian Odyssey, with all the little secrets, events, traps and so on with the style of Persona was an incredible idea. This works as a great dungeon crawling RPG. And with the level design magic of Atlus, this is a winner.

You start off from a cursed high school which gives way to a dangerous labyrinth with strange monsters. But with your party of chibified highschoolers from Persona 3 and Persona 4 you face these dangers. This is in the end another great game in 3DS excellent library.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGAlPPscgBY

I absolutely LOVE the Etrian Odyssey series! I've owned Q and Q2 for a couple years now, but I gotta play Persona 3 and 4 before I can get into this.



Mnementh said:
#13 Baldur's Gate
guessed by The_Liquid_Laser
platform Windows/Switch
release year 1998
developer/publisher BioWare/Black Isle Studios/Interplay Entertainment
genre RPG
links Wikipedia
past years 2019: #12, 2018: #12, 2017: #9

Baldur's Gate is one of the best attempts to bring a Dungeons&Dragons campaign to a video game. It had D&D license and made a lot of stuff very truthfully to the source material. The world is based on the D&D campaign-setting Forgotten Realms in the region of the Sword Coast. For this game the Infinity engine was developed, which was the base for a lot of similar games, including the sequel Baldur's Gate II, but also Planescape: Torment and Icewind Dale.

As in a D&D round you gather a party of individual adventurers and step out in the world to exterminate evil… or get rich… or both. You create your main character, following the D&D rules, but the other characters you find in the game and include them into your party, if you want. But once they are part of your group, you control them all directly. In combat things happen in real-time and you can give orders. If you are overwhelmed (and probably a good idea at the start of battle), you can pause the action to give direct orders. This can be in very fine detail, including which enemy to target, which spell to cast or which weapon to use.

Also outside of battles the game uses D&D rules, for instance for stealth, for pickpocket or for other interactions. Freedom to do what you want is the key philosophy here. Baldur's Gate is a game which often allowed you to play how you want. Therefore systems exists for a lot of things. Decide which party members to recruit. Which way to go. Be evil or a do-gooder. In a way it is a Skyrim with isometric view, a party (instead of a single fighter) and a much deeper battle system.

In Baldur's Gate you create your character based on the D&D-system, which starts out at the fort Candlekeep were you grew up. One day your mentor hastily wants you to leave the keep with him. Outside you encounter a figure that demand of your mentor to hand you over. Your mentor denies this request and fights to allow your escape. On your own now you try to uncover the secrets about this encounter and meet a lot of interesting characters on the way.

The characters are also great in this game. Who doesn't remember Minsc and his miniature giant space hamster Boo? Look, how lovely they are:

Interplay projected 200K sales for the game, in the end it sold past 2 million, a major success for the time.

These group of games seemed gone from the market after the demise of Black Isle, but Black Isle veterans founded Obsidian and developed Pillars of Eternity, Interplay veteran founde inXile which released Torment: Tides of Numenera and Larian Studios started to go in this direction with Divinity. So in modern times we have more games in the style Baldur's Gate started, including after a long time Baldur's Gate III by Larian Studios.

The game got an Enhanced Edition some time back (also including console versions), which probably is the best way to play it these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAsHuRO_Ao

Definitely a genre that almost died out. I'm so happy that it has returned with a vengeance.

Darashiva said:

#16

The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC (PC)

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The 4th The Legend of Heroes game on my list is Trails in the Sky SC, with one more yet to come a little bit later. The series has become one I look forward to playing more than almost any other, with only Final Fantasy and Dark Souls being higher on my list of video game franchises. The main reason for this are the story and characters in these games, which I consider among the best in all of gaming. However, the rest of the game is equally excellent, with the music and battle system being a major highlight of the game as well.

Once I'm done with the game's I'm currently working through I'm planning on going back and playing through the entire Trails in the Sky-trilogy, just to experience the who story again from the start. 

#15

Did... did you play through the entire Trails series in 2020? I swear these games weren't on your list last year.

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 01 January 2021

So, every year I like to see the overlap between my list and @TruckOSaurus 's list.

We hit 23/50 this year! We're still missing that elusive 50% mark. Still, 46% is pretty impressive when you consider just how many games are out there.