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Angelus said:
Runa216 said:

uuuuuh, PS5 has more backwards compatible games (4000+) Vs at most Xbox's 3197, and while Microsoft is investing MORE in GamePass, you can't pretend Sony doesn't also have something similar with PSNow (and with the PS+ Collection being a part of PS+). They're not the same, as we've established, but they're similar enough that you can't really pretend Sony isn't trying or that Microsoft is pulling way ahead or something. 

One of these services has...what...2+ million subs(?) while the other has over 15 million. PSNow is entirely irrelevant compared to Gamepass, and that's despite being around for longer, and by virtue of PS4 being the dominant console platform this gen, having had a lot more potential access points in people's homes (something which is going to be changing now that XCloud is getting up and running). And MS accomplished this, as the ardent PS fans love to remind people, without even having a large library of consistent first party output to support the service in a way that would be optimal for sustained growth. That too is going to change this gen, with all the investments MS has made over the last several years.

So...if you wouldn't call that pulling way ahead, I'm not sure what you'd call it.

It's almost entirely irrelevant to Sony as well. One company is focusing their entire resources in one area. For the other it's a complete afterthought.

Sony has 45 million paying PS Plus subscribers. 2 million PS Now members is small fries to this. That's the paying userbase Sony want to retain for the moment.

If they want to go digital with a full subscription service down the line they will entice these owners to change package, put their flagship first party releases on the service and transition completely. Maintaining a large userbase of paying subs while also making money from their big first party releases- maximises their profits though. They will likely continue with this strategy for as long as they can.

Moving now and pushing PS Now (fully) would see them flushing billions away.



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Xcloud solution for IOS is a web browser solution that can by-pass the apps. This might also work on the PS5 browser. 

I don't think you will ever see Gamepass on sony's consoles it will be the Xcloud working on Sony consoles. 



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I must highlight (by the way, why did everyone forget at all...) that GP is an streaming+download service. Sony's counterpart exclusively streams and that's a boomer for some when they don't have decent latency and their company is known for less than stellar server coverage (whereas MS reaps their greenbacks from Azure).



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    AsGryffynn said:
    Runa216 said:

    I did do the math, that's how I came to this conclusion. I believe it's like 2500 Xbox One games, 600 Xbox 360 games, and 39 Xbox games. The total came out to 3197 games backwards compatible on Xbox Series X, vs the PS5's reported "4000+", as has been cited by multiple sources. 

    As for the bolded...yeah man, this is gonna feel good. in this house, neither of us have the PS4 pro, but we both have PS4s (My launch model and her slim model), so all the PS4 games we DO have will either be upgraded to utilize 4K or get an upgrade to a PS5 version. 

    Here's the hilarious part where I remind everyone Sony had 6 different catalogs to pull from to MS's three. 

    So where's that logic when I talk about Backwards compatibility, and say that PS4's library is bigger than the three libraries of the Xbox, 360, and One coming forward? One catalog vs three, and it won. Just accept that Sony wins some places, Microsoft wins others, and clearly the areas where PS excels are the places that gamers care about, as Sony has consistently done well and has done outstandingly this gen. That's not even an opinion, that's observable truth, and what I've been saying since the beginning. 

    My point is, in relation to the thread at hand, is that Sony isn't worried about GamePass. They have nothing to fear. It's a good service that doesn't seem to impact their business model at all. They have an equivalent in PSNow and people don't care as much about it, so they focus their resources elsewhere - like on exclusives and actually giving us new hardware that isn't just the same as the old hardware. What Microsoft did this gen didn't work for them. It may have been profitable, but it's not as good as what Sony's doing. The 48 million vs 113 millon consoles sold should speak volumes to that fact. And again, to repeat, Microsoft wins in some areas and Sony wins in others, and the fact that PS4 sold so much more than Xbox both in hardware and software shows that the areas that Sony won are clearly of higher value to customers. That's business. 



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    AsGryffynn said:
    I must highlight (by the way, why did everyone forget at all...) that GP is an streaming+download service. Sony's counterpart exclusively streams and that's a boomer for some when they don't have decent latency and their company is known for less than stellar server coverage (whereas MS reaps their greenbacks from Azure).

    False. 300 games are available for download on PSNow. The selection is arguably weaker than Gamepass's 200 or so titles, but your statement is false. 



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    Little threat - MSFT won't stop selling the games from Bethesda on playstation. Only thing i can see if MSFT saying the games are available but ONLY through gamepass....so in other words trying to use games to force gamepass not the playstation. Unlikely though as you could see Sony retaliating by ending cross play which keeps the servers going for MSFT with their smaller user base. In the end MSFT will offer games on gamepass and sell them full price on Playstation.



    Jumpinbeans said:
    Little threat - MSFT won't stop selling the games from Bethesda on playstation. Only thing i can see if MSFT saying the games are available but ONLY through gamepass....so in other words trying to use games to force gamepass not the playstation. Unlikely though as you could see Sony retaliating by ending cross play which keeps the servers going for MSFT with their smaller user base. In the end MSFT will offer games on gamepass and sell them full price on Playstation.

    Yes, they will



    Jumpinbeans said:
    Little threat - MSFT won't stop selling the games from Bethesda on playstation. Only thing i can see if MSFT saying the games are available but ONLY through gamepass....so in other words trying to use games to force gamepass not the playstation. Unlikely though as you could see Sony retaliating by ending cross play which keeps the servers going for MSFT with their smaller user base. In the end MSFT will offer games on gamepass and sell them full price on Playstation.

    Of course they will. Why would they buy Bethesda if in the end they just wanted a Game Pass deal? That's delusion.

    I wouldn't say Game Pass is a threat to Sony per se, but the Game Pass model will be the default way people will consume games in the future. Most consumers buy a game, finish it (or not) and just move on forever, they don't care about having game cases around. It's how we consume music, movies and books nowadays, we check Netflix, watch half a movie and move on. So in that sense, models like Game Pass are inevitable and Sony knows it. The only thing we don't know yet is how it's going to be sustainable to publishers, but they already have other means to monetize, like MTX and those are going to be mandatory to big projects.

    So if we think as collectors, yes, we care about owning games, but most people don't collect, they just consume. The old business model is faded to die.



    d21lewis said:

    I'm 44 years old.

    I remember when you either had to rent a movie and dub it or you had to buy the movie on VHS for an insanely high price--often north of $80! Then movies reached a point where they were affordable and everybody had these huge collections. VHS tapes, DVDs, Blu-rays. Right now, gaming is at the beginning of the "Blu-Ray era". Continuing the movie analogy, at about that time, the idea of streaming movies had begun to catch on. People still collected but a lot of us, myself included, were more than happy just to download or stream. Yeah, there's movie I still want to own or see in theaters but I'm typically more than happy just streaming what's available or downloading what I can. I do still buy a lot of digital games but nowhere near what I was doing when I wanted to build a collection.

    Game Pass is Netflix. There's a great selection so most of the time there's no reason to go outside of what they offer. I went from buying hundreds of dollars worth of new games a month to just buying maybe five or ten games all year--and most of those were on the Switch! I was a whale and my console of choice was Xbox.

    Sony is going to have to match them. They already have their own service and it's getting better and better but they need to become the leader in this area or risk being "Blockbuster Streaming service" to Microsoft's "Netflix". Like it or not, subscription services are the future. Digital games are going to replace physical. Convenience is going to win out and, from personal experience, Microsoft is ahead of the curve.

    I'm 46 and thanks to streaming I'm watching TV and movies less than ever. I used to collect a lot of movies, used to spend over 2,000 dollars a year on blu-rays. Then Netflix and other digital services came around while movie quality kept going down (not sure if those are related) So I started watching stuff on Netflix I might have normally taken a chance on to purchase. The crappier image and sound quality made me enjoy it less, getting less interested in watching movies as a result.

    Then TV started eroding. Quality shows disappear behind an extra paywall or exclusive streaming service. I 'compensated' by buying them on blu-ray yet now that ship is going down as well. Still waiting for The Expanse S4 to arrive on blu-ray, if ever. Disney took their content from Netflix and frankly while Netflix has a few decent series, most are pretty substandard. Netflix keeps bombarding me with things that match my viewing habits yet I find I'm starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel while I watch for less than an hour a day.

    So I spend more time gaming instead of watching movies or TV. Can't wait for streaming to ruin that as well...





    SvennoJ said:
    d21lewis said:

    I'm 44 years old.

    I remember when you either had to rent a movie and dub it or you had to buy the movie on VHS for an insanely high price--often north of $80! Then movies reached a point where they were affordable and everybody had these huge collections. VHS tapes, DVDs, Blu-rays. Right now, gaming is at the beginning of the "Blu-Ray era". Continuing the movie analogy, at about that time, the idea of streaming movies had begun to catch on. People still collected but a lot of us, myself included, were more than happy just to download or stream. Yeah, there's movie I still want to own or see in theaters but I'm typically more than happy just streaming what's available or downloading what I can. I do still buy a lot of digital games but nowhere near what I was doing when I wanted to build a collection.

    Game Pass is Netflix. There's a great selection so most of the time there's no reason to go outside of what they offer. I went from buying hundreds of dollars worth of new games a month to just buying maybe five or ten games all year--and most of those were on the Switch! I was a whale and my console of choice was Xbox.

    Sony is going to have to match them. They already have their own service and it's getting better and better but they need to become the leader in this area or risk being "Blockbuster Streaming service" to Microsoft's "Netflix". Like it or not, subscription services are the future. Digital games are going to replace physical. Convenience is going to win out and, from personal experience, Microsoft is ahead of the curve.

    I'm 46 and thanks to streaming I'm watching TV and movies less than ever. I used to collect a lot of movies, used to spend over 2,000 dollars a year on blu-rays. Then Netflix and other digital services came around while movie quality kept going down (not sure if those are related) So I started watching stuff on Netflix I might have normally taken a chance on to purchase. The crappier image and sound quality made me enjoy it less, getting less interested in watching movies as a result.

    Then TV started eroding. Quality shows disappear behind an extra paywall or exclusive streaming service. I 'compensated' by buying them on blu-ray yet now that ship is going down as well. Still waiting for The Expanse S4 to arrive on blu-ray, if ever. Disney took their content from Netflix and frankly while Netflix has a few decent series, most are pretty substandard. Netflix keeps bombarding me with things that match my viewing habits yet I find I'm starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel while I watch for less than an hour a day.

    So I spend more time gaming instead of watching movies or TV. Can't wait for streaming to ruin that as well...



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