I must highlight (by the way, why did everyone forget at all...) that GP is an streaming+download service. Sony's counterpart exclusively streams and that's a boomer for some when they don't have decent latency and their company is known for less than stellar server coverage (whereas MS reaps their greenbacks from Azure).

So where's that logic when I talk about Backwards compatibility, and say that PS4's library is bigger than the three libraries of the Xbox, 360, and One coming forward? One catalog vs three, and it won. Just accept that Sony wins some places, Microsoft wins others, and clearly the areas where PS excels are the places that gamers care about, as Sony has consistently done well and has done outstandingly this gen. That's not even an opinion, that's observable truth, and what I've been saying since the beginning. 

My point is, in relation to the thread at hand, is that Sony isn't worried about GamePass. They have nothing to fear. It's a good service that doesn't seem to impact their business model at all. They have an equivalent in PSNow and people don't care as much about it, so they focus their resources elsewhere - like on exclusives and actually giving us new hardware that isn't just the same as the old hardware. What Microsoft did this gen didn't work for them. It may have been profitable, but it's not as good as what Sony's doing. The 48 million vs 113 millon consoles sold should speak volumes to that fact. And again, to repeat, Microsoft wins in some areas and Sony wins in others, and the fact that PS4 sold so much more than Xbox both in hardware and software shows that the areas that Sony won are clearly of higher value to customers. That's business. 

False. 300 games are available for download on PSNow. The selection is arguably weaker than Gamepass's 200 or so titles, but your statement is false. 

Little threat - MSFT won't stop selling the games from Bethesda on playstation. Only thing i can see if MSFT saying the games are available but ONLY through gamepass....so in other words trying to use games to force gamepass not the playstation. Unlikely though as you could see Sony retaliating by ending cross play which keeps the servers going for MSFT with their smaller user base. In the end MSFT will offer games on gamepass and sell them full price on Playstation.

Yes, they will

Of course they will. Why would they buy Bethesda if in the end they just wanted a Game Pass deal? That's delusion.

I wouldn't say Game Pass is a threat to Sony per se, but the Game Pass model will be the default way people will consume games in the future. Most consumers buy a game, finish it (or not) and just move on forever, they don't care about having game cases around. It's how we consume music, movies and books nowadays, we check Netflix, watch half a movie and move on. So in that sense, models like Game Pass are inevitable and Sony knows it. The only thing we don't know yet is how it's going to be sustainable to publishers, but they already have other means to monetize, like MTX and those are going to be mandatory to big projects.

So if we think as collectors, yes, we care about owning games, but most people don't collect, they just consume. The old business model is faded to die.

I'm 46 and thanks to streaming I'm watching TV and movies less than ever. I used to collect a lot of movies, used to spend over 2,000 dollars a year on blu-rays. Then Netflix and other digital services came around while movie quality kept going down (not sure if those are related) So I started watching stuff on Netflix I might have normally taken a chance on to purchase. The crappier image and sound quality made me enjoy it less, getting less interested in watching movies as a result.

Then TV started eroding. Quality shows disappear behind an extra paywall or exclusive streaming service. I 'compensated' by buying them on blu-ray yet now that ship is going down as well. Still waiting for The Expanse S4 to arrive on blu-ray, if ever. Disney took their content from Netflix and frankly while Netflix has a few decent series, most are pretty substandard. Netflix keeps bombarding me with things that match my viewing habits yet I find I'm starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel while I watch for less than an hour a day.

So I spend more time gaming instead of watching movies or TV. Can't wait for streaming to ruin that as well...

Well, damn. Come here, buddy.

*hugs Svennoj*

Ms first party games on  gamepass never leaves gamepass. The smaller indies or some third party games do leave gamepass. However u are given minimum 6 months to finish the game before it leaves gamepass. When it does, I are given option to own it at a discounted price.  There has been amazing games added to the list like rdr 2, now doom eternal and soon to be many Bethesda owned games. I got to experience outerworlds thanks to gamepass as that was an amazing rpg game. 

Haha thanks.

Not all streaming is bad, FS 2020 makes very good use of streaming data. I do wonder whether game pass had a positive or negative effect on FS2020. The game had a rather rocky launch with still many problems, not the least switching from game pass to the Steam edition. I bought the game up front and I'm sticking with it. However how many people tried it on game pass, ran into some problems and simply moved on.

Did MS pressure Asobo to release early to have something out and get them started on the XBox version, or did they run out of money. It's clearly still in the beta test phase, very playable already (depending on how you play and which plane you use), yet with countless issues, many which should never have made it to release.

I hope the too early release doesn't hurt it in the long run. The sim fans will stick with it regardless, yet without money from more casual players, what's going to keep providing the cash to finish the game? I guess all the overpriced DLC :/

Eh whatever, yesterday I found the perfect spot for the black gate of Mordor, next to Amguid, Algeria