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Didn't keep up with thread, but "threat" framing seems typical consolewar hyperbole overplaying rivalry/competition.
If it's an impactful way of delivering games, Sony is likely to emulate it to one degree or another.
Sony's tie-up with Epic suggests bigger things to come, and being vehicle for this on PC is obvious one.



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JWeinCom said:
mjk45 said:

@JWeinCom, your statement about Naughty Dog and Insomniac selling Crash and Spyro then moving on is wrong , Mark Cerny was given in his words a bag of money to start up Universal interactive and needing content he approached ND who were renting space on the universal lot and offered to fund their next game in return for the IP that IP went onto become Crash. Cerny did the same deal with Insomniac who were also on the lot, so both IP's became owned by Universal before they were even made, Sony came into the picture much later when they saw Crash at a developer fair and arranged the playstation publishing deal.

The rest of your reply is spot on with them allowing developer freedom and looking at the games that followed it paid off in spades.

I was referring to the franchises being sold to Activision later on. I assumed that Sony owned the license at that point either directly or indirectly by that point. Am I wrong on that?

Universal owned both IP's through the funding contract before either game was even made  Sony just had the publishing rights for the PS games they became Activision's later on when Vivendi the owner of Universal merged their gaming business that also included Blizzard with Activision to form Activison-Blizzard

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Come to think of it, in the short term it was beneficial to Sony in my case. Thanks to gamepass (and releasing on PC) saving me the money for the console plus games, I put that money into a second PSVR unit, extra move controllers and more PSVR games. Thanks to gamepass I was playing No Mans Sky multiplayer with my kid, both in VR. It was pretty cool building together in VR.



I think Sony will be fine . Sony was at their worst in PS3 era and still sold 80+ million . They had worser versions of multiplats and a 600 dollar console . Nothing can top PS3. And 100 Million plus is sure happening probably 150 million?



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Runa216 said:

I always got the impression, similarly to you, that Sony let their devs do their thing. Most creatives want to move on, eventually. Nobody wants to be known for just one thing and never evolve. Naughty Dog, as an example, moved on from Jak because they wanted to try something new. I like to think Sony MOSTLY respects the creators enough to not want to disrespect the IP. 

And seriously, there's something of value to be said about knowing when it's time to move on. Uncharted is a great franchise but I'm happy to see them move on. I'd be completely satisfied if 4/Lost Legacy was the end of that franchise. I'm also happy if Bloodborne doesn't get a sequel. Not everything needs to be Franchised.

I tend to assume that most decisions companies make are based on profits rather than respect or integrity. 

That's also fair. But at the same time...do you think something like Uncharted 5 wouldn't sell 10 million copies? do you think a Bloodborne 2 wouldn't be profitable? For how relatively cheap the game would be to develop, wouldn't something like Jak 4 make a huge profit? 

I dunno, I do agree MOST decisions companies make are based on profits rather than respect or integrity (Look at pretty much everything EA, Ubisoft, and Activision does), but I think Sony and Nintendo do have some respect for their IP. That's why Nintendo doesn't do a new Mario or Yoshi game every single year. That's why they only make 3D Mario games when they have new ideas. That's why they only make one MarioKart per generation. (I hope, anyway). This is how we get things like Horizon and Ghost of Tsushima, developers wanting to move on from stuff like Killzone and inFamous. By being willing to move on, the PS brand is STRONGER with more variety in their games. I think Killzone is an alright game and I do love inFamous...but I think most people will agree that Horizon and Ghost of Tsushima are better games. And, by letting old franchises rest, it builds up demand for if/when they do return to it. I mean, I'd love to see an inFamous game on PS5, wouldn't you? Look how excited everyone is for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart after Insomniac did Spider-Man. Had they just serialized the game with yearly installments, even I'd be bored of that franchise now and it's one of my faves. 

I'm rambling. Blah. Sorry. I swear I had a point when I started. 



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DroidKnight said:

I am in no way knocking PS Now or Gamepass, but those services aren't for me either.

I also have never subscribed to a tv streaming service not even free trials.  I had custom shelving made to build a Movie and TV show library.  The problem I'm having now is completing some of my TV series collections.  Everything fine and then season 6, 7, or eight only available through Amazon, Netflix, ABC, I'm thankful some of these are still completed in other countries and I just import them in through customs.  I did have to acquire a region changeable Ultra-high definition blu-ray player. 

Once this starts happening with Video games; I'm done.  I'll just buy for older systems or replay what I have. Or for that matter play what I have for the first time, my backlog spans generations and brands.

I hope Gamepass is successful but I won't be forced into it. 

Same. Same. I have an entire wall ofshelves, two layers deep, for my DVDs, Blu-Rays, PS4, Xbox One, and Switch games. I also have, in the other room, a shelf full of PS1, PS2, PS3, Gamecube, Wii, WiiU, Xbox, and Xbox 360 games. I will never fully convert to digital only or service based models. It's nice for those who don't mind the limitations and enjoy the cost to value ratio, but something like GamePAss or PSNow will never have value to me in an interactive medium. 

I do differe with you on video streaming services, though. I have Netflix, Disney+, and Amazon Prime. I think these services are good for convenience and for my family, but I still buy Physical Media whenever I can. But therein lies the difference. Passive media like Movies and TV are better for streaming because it's not interactive. It doesn't demand your input constantly, and therefore can be put on in the background while you do something else. A game isn't like that, so it's taking and commanding your time rather than being supplementary to whatever else you're doing. 

That might just be a me-thing. 



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Ashadelo said:


Will this hurt Sony in the long run? As subscription based services will only grow larger and larger what will be the insentive to buy the next Sony system? Without established mega mascots like Nintendo has many people might just flock to other major streaming platforms who have all the major 3rd party games that Sony has.

This seems like such a strange take considering Sony 1st Party is currently the biggest it's ever been. 

I can't see Sony having any issue this gen pushing consoles. 



Runa216 said:
"PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 games on PlayStation Now can be streamed to PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5 and PC. As of 2020, there are over 800 games available, with over 300 of them available for download to PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5."

"Xbox Games Pass gives you access to more than 200 games to download and play on your Xbox One for one monthly fee. It will also be available on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S from 10 November 2020 - their release date"

Not much, I don't think. And honestly, people have been pushing GamePass for so long and praising it as the best deal in gaming for ages...but I never saw much value in it so I never really looked into it. However, out of curiosity I decided to google and see how many games were on GamePass vs PSNow (Similar but not identical services) and just facepalmed. Even if you just factor in the games that can be downloaded, it's still about 50% more on PSnow. I still have no interest in either one, I just find it funny that Xbox and their diehards have all been pushing GamePass as the ultimate deal in Gaming, while Sony has been doing something similar for years and nobody gave a shit. IT's only a big deal because Xbox says it's a big deal, just like all their misuses of the word 'exclusive'.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers the Dreamcast was the first console with Internet and it collapsed spectacularly. 

Same stuff here, just like with the XO GaaS policy: too far ahead to be viable then. Too outdated to be viable now. 



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    Ashadelo said:


    Will this hurt Sony in the long run? As subscription based services will only grow larger and larger what will be the insentive to buy the next Sony system? Without established mega mascots like Nintendo has many people might just flock to other major streaming platforms who have all the major 3rd party games that Sony has.

    This seems like such a strange take considering Sony 1st Party is currently the biggest it's ever been. 

    I can't see Sony having any issue this gen pushing consoles. 

    I think they mean beyond. It also misses the fact that MS' first party just grew to gargantuan proportions. When you have Halo, Fallout, TES and Doom in your exclusivity portfolio, that kind of gets hard to compete with and MS is apparently not done just yet. 



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      Game Pass is Netflix. There's a great selection so most of the time there's no reason to go outside of what they offer. I went from buying hundreds of dollars worth of new games a month to just buying maybe five or ten games all year--and most of those were on the Switch! I was a whale and my console of choice was Xbox.

      Sony is going to have to match them. They already have their own service and it's getting better and better but they need to become the leader in this area or risk being "Blockbuster Streaming service" to Microsoft's "Netflix". Like it or not, subscription services are the future. Digital games are going to replace physical. Convenience is going to win out and, from personal experience, Microsoft is ahead of the curve.

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