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Runa216 said:
"PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 games on PlayStation Now can be streamed to PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5 and PC. As of 2020, there are over 800 games available, with over 300 of them available for download to PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5."

"Xbox Games Pass gives you access to more than 200 games to download and play on your Xbox One for one monthly fee. It will also be available on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S from 10 November 2020 - their release date"

Not much, I don't think. And honestly, people have been pushing GamePass for so long and praising it as the best deal in gaming for ages...but I never saw much value in it so I never really looked into it. However, out of curiosity I decided to google and see how many games were on GamePass vs PSNow (Similar but not identical services) and just facepalmed. Even if you just factor in the games that can be downloaded, it's still about 50% more on PSnow. I still have no interest in either one, I just find it funny that Xbox and their diehards have all been pushing GamePass as the ultimate deal in Gaming, while Sony has been doing something similar for years and nobody gave a shit. IT's only a big deal because Xbox says it's a big deal, just like all their misuses of the word 'exclusive'.

Nah, it's a big deal because it's a much bigger deal.

I purchased PSNow to have some games to play during this quarantine summer. And was very disappointed. The big draw for me was the back catalog of games, but those are all streaming. Depending on my location, the streaming experience ranged from laggy enough to be really annoying to completely unplayable. And I had fairly decent internet in all the places I tried. Other people's experiences have varied, but for me at least, all of those streaming titles might as well have not existed. 

As for the downloadable titles, it's a matter of quantity vs quality. There were not very many titles I wanted to play on PSNow. Gamepass has more games I want to play than I have time for. 

Bottom line is that I had a PS4, bought PSNow, and just didn't find it worth it. Despite the fact that I actually had to buy the XBox to get Gamepass, I don't regret that in the least. It's a better service. And I had no bias towards it to begin with. I didn't own an XBox One and don't especially like MS's first party games. I certainly would have rather not paid an extra 200 bucks if Sony's service was just as good, but I tried both, and Gamepass is superior. 



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Long term it's a massive threat to Sony, people trying to down play it are naive. Especially if MS keeps buying publishers. It will change how people view buying games.



JWeinCom said:
Runa216 said:
"PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 games on PlayStation Now can be streamed to PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5 and PC. As of 2020, there are over 800 games available, with over 300 of them available for download to PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5."

"Xbox Games Pass gives you access to more than 200 games to download and play on your Xbox One for one monthly fee. It will also be available on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S from 10 November 2020 - their release date"

Not much, I don't think. And honestly, people have been pushing GamePass for so long and praising it as the best deal in gaming for ages...but I never saw much value in it so I never really looked into it. However, out of curiosity I decided to google and see how many games were on GamePass vs PSNow (Similar but not identical services) and just facepalmed. Even if you just factor in the games that can be downloaded, it's still about 50% more on PSnow. I still have no interest in either one, I just find it funny that Xbox and their diehards have all been pushing GamePass as the ultimate deal in Gaming, while Sony has been doing something similar for years and nobody gave a shit. IT's only a big deal because Xbox says it's a big deal, just like all their misuses of the word 'exclusive'.

Nah, it's a big deal because it's a much bigger deal.

I purchased PSNow to have some games to play during this quarantine summer. And was very disappointed. The big draw for me was the back catalog of games, but those are all streaming. Depending on my location, the streaming experience ranged from laggy enough to be really annoying to completely unplayable. And I had fairly decent internet in all the places I tried. Other people's experiences have varied, but for me at least, all of those streaming titles might as well have not existed. 

As for the downloadable titles, it's a matter of quantity vs quality. There were not very many titles I wanted to play on PSNow. Gamepass has more games I want to play than I have time for. 

Bottom line is that I had a PS4, bought PSNow, and just didn't find it worth it. Despite the fact that I actually had to buy the XBox to get Gamepass, I don't regret that in the least. It's a better service. And I had no bias towards it to begin with. I didn't own an XBox One and don't especially like MS's first party games. I certainly would have rather not paid an extra 200 bucks if Sony's service was just as good, but I tried both, and Gamepass is superior. 

In my semi-defense (but not really)I hadn't even thought about PSNow before today when a friend mentioned it. I have no idea what games are on each service because I never looked too deeply into them. Streaming sucks, I never had any doubt about that, but I did some research and saw the numbers and saw that to my shock PS4's PSNow had 4x what GamePass had. I had heard some ads about what games were coming to PSNow, and they seemed like decent enough games. Again, I'm not interested in either service enough to purchase either one, so I didn't do a deep dive, but I still think that Sony's not in any real danger due to GamePass and won't be any time soon. If GamePass was a system seller, Xbox would be breaching 120 million units sold, not PS4. 

I do agree quality is more important than quality. That's one thing we all agree on when it's convenient. 

It's a nice option for those who want/need it, but I think there will always be a large group of people who want physical copies of games, who want to own their games, and don't want a commitment. Xbox has been pushing for their games to be a service or to limit players for a while; they wanted to make always-online DRM, and people had a fit about it. Now, they wanna tie people down with more monthly fees and require online connectivity? Same thing, different presentation. 



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Runa216 said:
JWeinCom said:

Nah, it's a big deal because it's a much bigger deal.

I purchased PSNow to have some games to play during this quarantine summer. And was very disappointed. The big draw for me was the back catalog of games, but those are all streaming. Depending on my location, the streaming experience ranged from laggy enough to be really annoying to completely unplayable. And I had fairly decent internet in all the places I tried. Other people's experiences have varied, but for me at least, all of those streaming titles might as well have not existed. 

As for the downloadable titles, it's a matter of quantity vs quality. There were not very many titles I wanted to play on PSNow. Gamepass has more games I want to play than I have time for. 

Bottom line is that I had a PS4, bought PSNow, and just didn't find it worth it. Despite the fact that I actually had to buy the XBox to get Gamepass, I don't regret that in the least. It's a better service. And I had no bias towards it to begin with. I didn't own an XBox One and don't especially like MS's first party games. I certainly would have rather not paid an extra 200 bucks if Sony's service was just as good, but I tried both, and Gamepass is superior. 

In my semi-defense (but not really)I hadn't even thought about PSNow before today when a friend mentioned it. I have no idea what games are on each service because I never looked too deeply into them. Streaming sucks, I never had any doubt about that, but I did some research and saw the numbers and saw that to my shock PS4's PSNow had 4x what GamePass had. I had heard some ads about what games were coming to PSNow, and they seemed like decent enough games. Again, I'm not interested in either service enough to purchase either one, so I didn't do a deep dive, but I still think that Sony's not in any real danger due to GamePass and won't be any time soon. If GamePass was a system seller, Xbox would be breaching 120 million units sold, not PS4. 

I do agree quality is more important than quality. That's one thing we all agree on when it's convenient. 

It's a nice option for those who want/need it, but I think there will always be a large group of people who want physical copies of games, who want to own their games, and don't want a commitment. Xbox has been pushing for their games to be a service or to limit players for a while; they wanted to make always-online DRM, and people had a fit about it. Now, they wanna tie people down with more monthly fees and require online connectivity? Same thing, different presentation. 

Well, look at the games lists. I think they speak for themselves.

Whether or not Sony's in real danger, they seem to be reacting to it. I believe that PSNow added the ability to download games fairly recently (about 2 years ago) once Gamepass started taking off. They've been adding more recent and high profile releases such as RE:7, FFXV, and SFV than they had in the past (although this still lags compared to Gamepass). And I also think PS Plus Collection was at least partially developed to counteract the value proposition of Gamepass for early adopters. 

As for saying Gamepass is the same thing as having an always on DRM requirement for the games already purchased... Are there really no differences in those situations? I feel like if you tried to play devil's advocate, you could come up with some...



JWeinCom said:
Runa216 said:

In my semi-defense (but not really)I hadn't even thought about PSNow before today when a friend mentioned it. I have no idea what games are on each service because I never looked too deeply into them. Streaming sucks, I never had any doubt about that, but I did some research and saw the numbers and saw that to my shock PS4's PSNow had 4x what GamePass had. I had heard some ads about what games were coming to PSNow, and they seemed like decent enough games. Again, I'm not interested in either service enough to purchase either one, so I didn't do a deep dive, but I still think that Sony's not in any real danger due to GamePass and won't be any time soon. If GamePass was a system seller, Xbox would be breaching 120 million units sold, not PS4. 

I do agree quality is more important than quality. That's one thing we all agree on when it's convenient. 

It's a nice option for those who want/need it, but I think there will always be a large group of people who want physical copies of games, who want to own their games, and don't want a commitment. Xbox has been pushing for their games to be a service or to limit players for a while; they wanted to make always-online DRM, and people had a fit about it. Now, they wanna tie people down with more monthly fees and require online connectivity? Same thing, different presentation. 

Well, look at the games lists. I think they speak for themselves.

Whether or not Sony's in real danger, they seem to be reacting to it. I believe that PSNow added the ability to download games fairly recently (about 2 years ago) once Gamepass started taking off. They've been adding more recent and high profile releases such as RE:7, FFXV, and SFV than they had in the past (although this still lags compared to Gamepass). And I also think PS Plus Collection was at least partially developed to counteract the value proposition of Gamepass for early adopters. 

As for saying Gamepass is the same thing as having an always on DRM requirement for the games already purchased... Are there really no differences in those situations? I feel like if you tried to play devil's advocate, you could come up with some...

Oh, there are differences between DRM and Gamepass/Now. no doubt. However, it's just another step towards taking control away from the consumer. Game companies have been trying to limit how much control people have for ages. they fought likened used games to piracy and fought it until people resisted, they tried to implement DRM in many ways and people resisted, Microsoft tried to make the Xbox One Always Online from the get-go and people resisted. now they're following in the path of Netflix and once again trying to control what people can play and how they can play it. It's not the same, but it's another way to get to the same point. 

Long story short, forcing us into monthly subscriptions and curating what is on there controls us, at least a bit. It's not inherently bad on its own - Netflix and other video streaming services are great - but for an interactive medium it does encourage playing now, playing often, and not waiting just in case something goes down. It forces you to be online. It's a good deal, for sure (Both Now and Gamepass, in their own ways), but it's just a far easier to digest version of Always Online DRM in a manner of speaking. 

I play games at my own pace. It's why I don't even borrow and never used to rent. It's also why I don't play Games as a Service games, games with recurrent spending, or many online games. IT's also why I love Sony's offerings: Almost all of their games are singleplayer offline games.

Clearly these online games and these service models have an audience - they keep making money - but there will always be plenty of people who want games that aren't on the clock. I'm one of them, and I'm not the only one. 



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Bloodborne, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, God of War, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Dark Souls III, Red Dead Redemption II

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Conina said:

2020 games on GamePass so far (I'm sure, I even forgot a few):

Battletoads
Bleeding Edge
Carrion
CrossCode
Darksiders Genesis
Deliver Us the Moon
DOOM Eternal
Double Kick Heroes
Dragon Quest 11 S: Echoes of an Elusive Age
Drake Hollow
Flight Simulator 2020
Grounded
Hotshot Racing
Hypnospace Outlaw
Journey to Savage Planet
Minecraft: Dungeons
Moving Out
Neon Abyss
New Super Lucky's Tale
Nowhere Prophet
Observation
Ori 2: Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Spiritfarer
Streets of Rage 4
Tell Me Why: Chapter 1 - 3
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance Tactics
The Touryst
Two Point Hospital
Wasteland 3

99% of those games are jack shit.



Nighthawk117 said:
Conina said:

2020 games on GamePass so far (I'm sure, I even forgot a few):

Battletoads
Bleeding Edge
Carrion
CrossCode
Darksiders Genesis
Deliver Us the Moon
DOOM Eternal
Double Kick Heroes
Dragon Quest 11 S: Echoes of an Elusive Age
Drake Hollow
Flight Simulator 2020
Grounded
Hotshot Racing
Hypnospace Outlaw
Journey to Savage Planet
Minecraft: Dungeons
Moving Out
Neon Abyss
New Super Lucky's Tale
Nowhere Prophet
Observation
Ori 2: Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Spiritfarer
Streets of Rage 4
Tell Me Why: Chapter 1 - 3
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance Tactics
The Touryst
Two Point Hospital
Wasteland 3

99% of those games are jack shit.

........

Maybe you have lousy taste?

The point that he was making is that these are new games, released this year that are already on Gamepass. Which for a lot of people is a big draw. And some of these games got pretty good reviews. SoR4, Ori 2, MC:D, FS2020, DQXI, Doom Eternal, Battletoads



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Nighthawk117 said:
Conina said:

2020 games on GamePass so far (I'm sure, I even forgot a few):

Battletoads
Bleeding Edge
Carrion
CrossCode
Darksiders Genesis
Deliver Us the Moon
DOOM Eternal
Double Kick Heroes
Dragon Quest 11 S: Echoes of an Elusive Age
Drake Hollow
Flight Simulator 2020
Grounded
Hotshot Racing
Hypnospace Outlaw
Journey to Savage Planet
Minecraft: Dungeons
Moving Out
Neon Abyss
New Super Lucky's Tale
Nowhere Prophet
Observation
Ori 2: Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Spiritfarer
Streets of Rage 4
Tell Me Why: Chapter 1 - 3
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance Tactics
The Touryst
Two Point Hospital
Wasteland 3

99% of those games are jack shit.

Well this sort of response is not helping. I've been scouring the game lists for Xbox and PS and Switch games the last few hours and I can assure you, many of these games are not 'jack shit' and are, in fact, pretty good. 



I got it all, baby! 

PS4, Switch, WiiU, XBO, PC
Vita, 3DS, Android

Top 6 this generation: 
Bloodborne, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, God of War, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Dark Souls III, Red Dead Redemption II

On a side note, has Sony ever said why they abandon IP's? Cause some of their Ip's had pretty big followings back during the PS1/PS2 era, but now..... No one even talks about those games.



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Ashadelo said:
On a side note, has Sony ever said why they abandon IP's? Cause some of their Ip's had pretty big followings back during the PS1/PS2 era, but now..... No one even talks about those games.

I feel like Sony's overall philosophy is really to give developers control over what they make, more so than Nintendo or Microsoft. 

For instance, when Naughty Dog moved on from Crash Bandicoot to Jak, and Insomniac moved on from Spyro, they just sold the franchises. Same thing seems to be the case for Jak, Infamous, and so on. Franchises that seem to last the longest are ones where the original studio is still involved like God of War or Ratchet and Clank. 

Sony is more likely to keep the dev and be done with the IP, whereas Microsoft's philosophy seems to be to keep the IP and give it to a new developer, as they did with with Halo and Gears. When they need new IPs, their strategy of late seems to be to buy developers.

Nintendo's strategy falls somewhere between the two. They will generally have developers move on to different things, but also keep the franchise going with new teams. Like what they did with Luigi's Mansion 2, Punch Out!!!, DKC, and so on.

The strategies have their pros and cons.