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Pemalite said:

So yes the Samsung 980 Pro is faster than the Playstation 5 SSD, the PC has compression technology as well, it's just not baked into hardware.

I'm still curious to know what would happen if I inserted a "cheap" 3-4GB/s ssd into the PS5. Would it be refused or would I simply wait 2.56s instead of 1.45s loading a game?



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drkohler said:
Pemalite said:

So yes the Samsung 980 Pro is faster than the Playstation 5 SSD, the PC has compression technology as well, it's just not baked into hardware.

I'm still curious to know what would happen if I inserted a "cheap" 3-4GB/s ssd into the PS5. Would it be refused or would I simply wait 2.56s instead of 1.45s loading a game?

This has already been discussed here. If you have lastgen PS4 games, those will be playable directly from any attached drive, since PS4 games don't expect to have high speed SSD and can run just fine off of slow disk drive. You can also store pictures or videos on the slow drive, but PS5 games require being installed on the high speed SSD to play, because that is the baseline expectation for nextgen. Some SSD cards do meet the speed requirement to play games directly off of them, and if you install one of those SSD it will work just like the built in SSD (except giving you more room).

If an expansion drive (SSD or hard drive) doesn't meet Sony's spec (which is actually faster than Sony's built in SSD because reasons) then you can still STORE PS5 games on it, but you can't play the game from that location. You will need to free up space on the built in SSD (or other qualifying SSD), possibly first moving another game FROM the built in SSD to the slower drive with plenty of empty room, and then move the game you want to play from the slower drive to the fast drive so you can play it. Any SSD even if not up to Sony's spec should make the copy process alot faster than a slow hard drive, but it will take a certain amount of time (~10 minutes? this depends on game size and speed of expansion drive) before you can play the game, more so if you want to first move game FROM the fast SSD to the slow storage.

Think of it like you have a stove and you can instantly cook anything on it's 4 burners. You actually have more food than fits on 4 burners and you keep that in your refrigerator. But you can't immediately cook it in the refrigerator, you need to move it to the stove to cook it, and if the stove is already full you need to first move one item into the refridgerator.



mutantsushi said:
drkohler said:

I'm still curious to know what would happen if I inserted a "cheap" 3-4GB/s ssd into the PS5. Would it be refused or would I simply wait 2.56s instead of 1.45s loading a game?

If an expansion drive (SSD or hard drive) doesn't meet Sony's spec (which is actually faster than Sony's built in SSD because reasons) then you can still STORE PS5 games on it, but you can't play the game from that location.

Listen carefully what Cerny said in his talk.

At this point, nothing prevents you from inserting a cheap ssd drive. The only problem is your drive will not fulfill the demands of games especially built for the internal ssd's speed. (Hint: All multiplats might have the XSX's ssd speed as reference....)

So will Sony actually disable "cheap" ssds or not? What would the ambulance chaser faction of America Lawyer Inc. say to that?



Pemalite said:
Captain_Yuri said:
I still don't get why it costs so much to begin with. Like the SSD speeds are less than 970 Evos and last gen WD Blacks. If they were like, well 1 TB costs $80 less than a new 1TB Samsung 980 Evo that's needed on the PS5, then that would be a pricing advantage that they can market.

Seagate propriety tax.

Or they might be using 2-bit cells on the NAND for durability reasons rather than 3-bit or 4-bit.

Once other manufacturers jump onboard the price should come down, but it's never going to be as cheap as PC SSD's due to the propriety form factor.

The SSD port on the Series S/X is proprietary, but it would make things easier if we simply get external enclosures that connect to that port.

I mean they make enclosures to use NVMe on different USB ports. So I maybe an enclosure that simply connects to that SSD port would do the job as well. That would be the most consumer friendly option at this point.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

Seagate propriety tax.

Or they might be using 2-bit cells on the NAND for durability reasons rather than 3-bit or 4-bit.

Once other manufacturers jump onboard the price should come down, but it's never going to be as cheap as PC SSD's due to the propriety form factor.

The SSD port on the Series S/X is proprietary, but it would make things easier if we simply get external enclosures that connect to that port.

I mean they make enclosures to use NVMe on different USB ports. So I maybe an enclosure that simply connects to that SSD port would do the job as well. That would be the most consumer friendly option at this point.

That is entirely possible.
From what I can tell it is just a port that connects via PCI-E directly using the nVME protocols, so it's not like anyone would be reinventing the wheel.

drkohler said:
Pemalite said:

So yes the Samsung 980 Pro is faster than the Playstation 5 SSD, the PC has compression technology as well, it's just not baked into hardware.

I'm still curious to know what would happen if I inserted a "cheap" 3-4GB/s ssd into the PS5. Would it be refused or would I simply wait 2.56s instead of 1.45s loading a game?

Likely won't run until you place that game on a drive that meets or exceeds Sony's bandwidth tests.



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shikamaru317 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The SSD port on the Series S/X is proprietary, but it would make things easier if we simply get external enclosures that connect to that port.

I mean they make enclosures to use NVMe on different USB ports. So I maybe an enclosure that simply connects to that SSD port would do the job as well. That would be the most consumer friendly option at this point.

Yeah, that would be nice to see. 

though, knowing the enclosure market, probably goign to cost over 100$



This is great news, more options is always good. Case closed right?



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