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sethnintendo said:
Azzanation said:

Wii and WiiU were made by a Japanese company which failed world wide, so not sure why this was directed straight to American consumers not being smart enough.

Well if they can't tell difference between Wii and Wii U how are people supposed to know difference between Xbox One and Xbox Series S and X.  Soon Microsoft will have to put out something like this.

Its not rocket science. Soon one will be discontinued and the only option will be S or X. Much like how common GPUs work. 



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I think a capitalist company should do whatever they feel is in the best interest of their company.



Azzanation said:
EricHiggin said:

Is it really though? I mean, is XBSS truly next gen compared to XB1X and XBSX?

If you compare Pro to XB1X, Pro was way overpriced, yet nobody really seemed to care.

I also clearly stated that, "You wouldn't market Pro as next gen, but you would market the SNY brand and specs against XBSS."

As long as they weren't tricking people into thinking it'll be fully next gen capable machine by marketing it that way, then what's the problem? It's similar specs at a similar if not lesser price for a gaming console. Doesn't that exist already?

But you would be tricking people into thinking its next gen by showing the numbers which does not determine a next gen machine. 

Its like comparing a Buick Regal 4.9lt V8 to a 2000 Porsche 911 3.4lt 6 and saying the Regal is faster because of the bigger engine. That type of marketing is only meant to trick people. The Buick wouldn't even finish the race.

The difference is, one is a next gen capable machine while the PS4/XB1 machines are not. Very soon none of the games will be compatible with the Pro and X. 

I tried downloading The Medium on my XB1-X and it says "Incapable Hardware" can only be played on a Series S/X and PC.

You are right in one way, you will generate sales because of the method of tricking customers into believe one is better value and performance however when the time comes, all those customers are going to be quite upset realizing their new machine cannot play new games while the Series S will be playing next gen games with Ray Tracing and with better CPU performance and load times etc.

Nope, If Sony is just putting the specs of Pro without saying it is gen 9 then it isn't like saying Buick Regal is faster than a Porsche because it have a bigger engine. Don't see you having problem with MS saying Series S is a next gen system and that the only difference to Series X would be resolution while on the first games it already isn't true.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

But you would be tricking people into thinking its next gen by showing the numbers which does not determine a next gen machine. 

Its like comparing a Buick Regal 4.9lt V8 to a 2000 Porsche 911 3.4lt 6 and saying the Regal is faster because of the bigger engine. That type of marketing is only meant to trick people. The Buick wouldn't even finish the race.

The difference is, one is a next gen capable machine while the PS4/XB1 machines are not. Very soon none of the games will be compatible with the Pro and X. 

I tried downloading The Medium on my XB1-X and it says "Incapable Hardware" can only be played on a Series S/X and PC.

You are right in one way, you will generate sales because of the method of tricking customers into believe one is better value and performance however when the time comes, all those customers are going to be quite upset realizing their new machine cannot play new games while the Series S will be playing next gen games with Ray Tracing and with better CPU performance and load times etc.

Nope, If Sony is just putting the specs of Pro without saying it is gen 9 then it isn't like saying Buick Regal is faster than a Porsche because it have a bigger engine. Don't see you having problem with MS saying Series S is a next gen system and that the only difference to Series X would be resolution while on the first games it already isn't true.

If they compare numbers to a next gen system than they are basically telling the consumer "Hey buy the PS4 PRO, its as powerful as the Series S" when its not, and is not even comparable in actual performance.

Are you saying the Series S is not a next gen system Don?



Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, If Sony is just putting the specs of Pro without saying it is gen 9 then it isn't like saying Buick Regal is faster than a Porsche because it have a bigger engine. Don't see you having problem with MS saying Series S is a next gen system and that the only difference to Series X would be resolution while on the first games it already isn't true.

If they compare numbers to a next gen system than they are basically telling the consumer "Hey buy the PS4 PRO, its as powerful as the Series S" when its not, and is not even comparable in actual performance.

Are you saying the Series S is not a next gen system Don?

I knew you would just ignore everything that wasn't what you want. So does the titles run equal on Series S and X but with 1/3 of the resolution as MS have said?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

If they compare numbers to a next gen system than they are basically telling the consumer "Hey buy the PS4 PRO, its as powerful as the Series S" when its not, and is not even comparable in actual performance.

Are you saying the Series S is not a next gen system Don?

I knew you would just ignore everything that wasn't what you want. So does the titles run equal on Series S and X but with 1/3 of the resolution as MS have said?

Don, what does that have to do with the Series S being a next gen system? Talk about me ignoring the question when you aren't even on the same topic. Game optimization has nothing to do with weather or not a system is considered next gen. 

The Series S is a Series X with a weaker GPU and no Disk drive. Everything else is identical. 

From what i am gathering from this convo, is you think the Series S is not next gen, am i right?



They need to be discontinued the PS5 is the way forward.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

I knew you would just ignore everything that wasn't what you want. So does the titles run equal on Series S and X but with 1/3 of the resolution as MS have said?

Don, what does that have to do with the Series S being a next gen system? Talk about me ignoring the question when you aren't even on the same topic. Game optimization has nothing to do with weather or not a system is considered next gen. 

The Series S is a Series X with a weaker GPU and no Disk drive. Everything else is identical. 

From what i am gathering from this convo, is you think the Series S is not next gen, am i right?

Its GPU is a lot less powerful, the CPU runs slower and it has less Ram and memory. Its definitely a bit lacklustre if you ask me. 



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

I knew you would just ignore everything that wasn't what you want. So does the titles run equal on Series S and X but with 1/3 of the resolution as MS have said?

Don, what does that have to do with the Series S being a next gen system? Talk about me ignoring the question when you aren't even on the same topic. Game optimization has nothing to do with weather or not a system is considered next gen. 

The Series S is a Series X with a weaker GPU and no Disk drive. Everything else is identical. 

From what i am gathering from this convo, is you think the Series S is not next gen, am i right?

You talk about Sony showing the specs and that being misleading (even if they don't say it is next gen or anything), but when MS directly mislead when saying it would be the same but with lower res you don't criticize.

CPU is slower, RAM is less and with less bandwidth, SSD is smaller as well.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Qwark said:

Its GPU is a lot less powerful, the CPU runs slower and it has less Ram and memory. Its definitely a bit lacklustre if you ask me. 

Lacklustre and being next gen are very different things.

DonFerrari said:

You talk about Sony showing the specs and that being misleading (even if they don't say it is next gen or anything), but when MS directly mislead when saying it would be the same but with lower res you don't criticize.

CPU is slower, RAM is less and with less bandwidth, SSD is smaller as well.

What are you on about.. MS misleading? The specs on the Series S is exactly whats in the machine, you pay for what you get. Optimizing the games is another complete topic, you are clearly spinning this. While i am clearly pointing out that the Series S is a next gen system capable of playing next gen games, something the PRO and XB1X cannot do unless a game is made cross gen.

Example: My current XB1X wont allow me to download "The Medium" from GamePass because it says incompatible hardware, now the XB1X is superior to the PS4 PRO in all aspects, figure that out. Developers are moving past old hardware, regardless if they can run them. 

I know the specs of the Series S. So are you saying the Series S is not a next gen system because the numbers are lower? Example: Teraflops 

You do know the Series S runs all the latest software that goes with the newer hardware right, which is just as important as the hardware itself! Velocity Architecture, Latest Direct X, DX Ray Tracing etc. Things the XB1X cant do, no matter how many Teraflops it has under the hood.

Oh and the Series S's CPU is light years ahead of the CPU in the PRO and X. All the stats outside the SSD being smaller (Which doesn't add anything to performance) the Series S is better in. The more important factor part to all this is which console will be playing the latest games, and i can tell you, it wont be the PRO.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 07 January 2021