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Yep. 4K downscaled to 1080p acts as extra anti-aliasing, helping to clean up jagged edges and pixel shimmer.



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Pemalite said:
The Xbox Series X will give you over the Xbox Series S:
* HD and UHD Blu-Ray.
* Super Sampled Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series X games where available. (I.E. Games will look as crisp as possible.)
* Better texturing.
* Better texture filtering.
* More storage.
* Better Anti-Aliasing.
* Better reflections, lighting and shadowing due to the potential extra Ray Tracing resources.
* Potentially better/higher framerates. (Varies by game of course.)

Just because a console is built for 4k, doesn't mean you don't get benefits on a 1080P display, once the Series X drops... My Xbox One X will be going into the games room on a 1080P 75" display and it will definitely look better than the base Xbox One.

The Series S *can* do 4k, but developers are very unlikely to leverage that.

Very true almost everything on the post. But the last point well, perhaps MS can use their smart delivery tech for at least BC game to be 4k on Series S. And sure some Indies for next gen as well.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

You're future-proofing with Xbox Series X. The tech in it will stand the test of time more than the Xbox Series S. There's also the disc drive and larger hard drive. Also, 4K television sets are getting cheaper and cheaper. Unless you're really strapped for cash in electronics, you'll probably end up with a 4K TV in a few years at least. I'm getting my own 4K TV this year or next year because a decent one is between $300-$600 now.



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DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:
The Xbox Series X will give you over the Xbox Series S:
* HD and UHD Blu-Ray.
* Super Sampled Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series X games where available. (I.E. Games will look as crisp as possible.)
* Better texturing.
* Better texture filtering.
* More storage.
* Better Anti-Aliasing.
* Better reflections, lighting and shadowing due to the potential extra Ray Tracing resources.
* Potentially better/higher framerates. (Varies by game of course.)

Just because a console is built for 4k, doesn't mean you don't get benefits on a 1080P display, once the Series X drops... My Xbox One X will be going into the games room on a 1080P 75" display and it will definitely look better than the base Xbox One.

The Series S *can* do 4k, but developers are very unlikely to leverage that.

Very true almost everything on the post. But the last point well, perhaps MS can use their smart delivery tech for at least BC game to be 4k on Series S. And sure some Indies for next gen as well.

Microsoft has already stated that the Xbox Series S will be using the Xbox One S variant of games, not the enhanced Xbox One X variant, that includes the Backwards compatible titles.

The only games that will operate at 4k will be those games with an uncapped dynamic resolution that will scale up that high or a developer has released a patch for.



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Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Very true almost everything on the post. But the last point well, perhaps MS can use their smart delivery tech for at least BC game to be 4k on Series S. And sure some Indies for next gen as well.

Microsoft has already stated that the Xbox Series S will be using the Xbox One S variant of games, not the enhanced Xbox One X variant, that includes the Backwards compatible titles.

The only games that will operate at 4k will be those games with an uncapped dynamic resolution that will scale up that high or a developer has released a patch for.

I think it was an odd decision since Series S is at least on par with X1X, and considering ram and CPU it is much better. But well they must have their reasoning and perhaps fanbase reaction may make they reconsider it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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kenjab said:

I've seen the comparisons between the Series X and S but the the differences seem to only be noticeable on 4K TVs.  I know about the disc drive and greater storage space, but is there any advantage to the way games will play in 1080p on a Series X than on a Series S?  Would games have graphical or audio improvements on Series X, for instance?

If all I care about is how the games play, am I effectively throwing $200 away if I get a Series X over Series S to use on a 1080p TV?

I've been having this exact thought myself. I just invested in a new 1080p screen, so won't be on 4k for a decent while. For a TLDR, the biggest upgrades will come in back compat titles. But you'll also notice better lighting and rendering on next-gen games. 

- Back compat on XSS will be One S versions. ie. If you jumped on Battlefield V for instance, you'd get like 900p rather than 4k supersampled to 1080p. If they released an XSS patch, though, this would get better. 

- Same is true of X360 bc and earlier games. If you wanted to jump on Red Dead original, you'd need an XSX to hit 4k supersampled to 1080p. Otherwise you get basically the 360 version on Series S. 

- "Enhanced" back compat versions, which aren't available on Series S (as far as I know), also deliver HDR/Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos to your 1080p screen. Meaning better colour and sound. 

- For next-gen titles, you're hoping for potentially higher framerates, and better rendering and lighting effects like fuller raytracing. I expect the Series S to employ a lighter raytracing load as the generation progresses, such as screen-space only reflections or simplified reflection mapping. 



DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:

Microsoft has already stated that the Xbox Series S will be using the Xbox One S variant of games, not the enhanced Xbox One X variant, that includes the Backwards compatible titles.

The only games that will operate at 4k will be those games with an uncapped dynamic resolution that will scale up that high or a developer has released a patch for.

I think it was an odd decision since Series S is at least on par with X1X, and considering ram and CPU it is much better. But well they must have their reasoning and perhaps fanbase reaction may make they reconsider it.

Partially to help up sell those who have enough to go top tier but aren't necessarily dying to, or those who don't really have the funds but want the best anyway and will just figure that problem out after purchasing.

If you're a consumer who has the funds, who can say to themselves, 'well PS5 DE is only $100 more with added value', then they can also say, 'but then XBSX is also only $100 more than that with even more added value'.

Some consumers will say screw it and just stick with XBSS, and some will talk themselves into going with XBSX. MS wants to entice you to buy their product one way or another, and wants to try and make the XBSS and XBSX user base as equal as possible so pubs/devs can easily justify putting reasonably equal effort into both consoles capabilities.



EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

I think it was an odd decision since Series S is at least on par with X1X, and considering ram and CPU it is much better. But well they must have their reasoning and perhaps fanbase reaction may make they reconsider it.

Partially to help up sell those who have enough to go top tier but aren't necessarily dying to, or those who don't really have the funds but want the best anyway and will just figure that problem out after purchasing.

If you're a consumer who has the funds, who can say to themselves, 'well PS5 DE is only $100 more with added value', then they can also say, 'but then XBSX is also only $100 more than that with even more added value'.

Some consumers will say screw it and just stick with XBSS, and some will talk themselves into going with XBSX. MS wants to entice you to buy their product one way or another, and wants to try and make the XBSS and XBSX user base as equal as possible so pubs/devs can easily justify putting reasonably equal effort into both consoles capabilities.

I would say it is very anti-consumer to gimp your entry level beyond the technical capabilities just to make the higher end look better. And MS trying the cool guy attitude is very opposite of this kind of decision.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
EricHiggin said:

Partially to help up sell those who have enough to go top tier but aren't necessarily dying to, or those who don't really have the funds but want the best anyway and will just figure that problem out after purchasing.

If you're a consumer who has the funds, who can say to themselves, 'well PS5 DE is only $100 more with added value', then they can also say, 'but then XBSX is also only $100 more than that with even more added value'.

Some consumers will say screw it and just stick with XBSS, and some will talk themselves into going with XBSX. MS wants to entice you to buy their product one way or another, and wants to try and make the XBSS and XBSX user base as equal as possible so pubs/devs can easily justify putting reasonably equal effort into both consoles capabilities.

I would say it is very anti-consumer to gimp your entry level beyond the technical capabilities just to make the higher end look better. And MS trying the cool guy attitude is very opposite of this kind of decision.

If XBSS is too good of a deal it's going to way outsell XBSX. That won't be good for XBSX non exclusive games in the future.

XBSS and XBSX are being set up like XB1S and XB1X from last gen. If you want the upgraded model, you pay more, but get a lot more.

XBSS isn't supposed to be the end all be all, it's a cheap entry point into next gen and the majority of casuals will be just fine with that.



EricHiggin said:
DonFerrari said:

I would say it is very anti-consumer to gimp your entry level beyond the technical capabilities just to make the higher end look better. And MS trying the cool guy attitude is very opposite of this kind of decision.

If XBSS is too good of a deal it's going to way outsell XBSX. That won't be good for XBSX non exclusive games in the future.

XBSS and XBSX are being set up like XB1S and XB1X from last gen. If you want the upgraded model, you pay more, but get a lot more.

XBSS isn't supposed to be the end all be all, it's a cheap entry point into next gen and the majority of casuals will be just fine with that.

You do that by adding value not by removing value.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."