shikamaru317 said: Mnementh said: By the way, to fuel the outrage culture, the movie was be shown on Sundance festival: https://www.sundance.org/2020-sundance-film-festival-program-guide/WOR-guide The director won the directing award. Seemingly nobody cared back then in February. But now the election is close, we need more political outrage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundance_Film_Festival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuties Anyways, here is an article reporting on the conflict without the exaggeration and outrage, if you want to get a bit more neutral information on the topic: https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/cuties-film-cancel-netflix/ Nobody cared back in February because the average movie watcher couldn't care less about film festivals. You think the average person follows Sundance or Cannes? The first time the vast majority of people were exposed to the movie was when Netflix released the trailer and marketing poster in August, and there was immediate backlash. Besides, the founder of the Sundance Film Festival was found guilty of child sexual assault: https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2019/04/30/sundance-film-festival-co-founder-pleads-guilty-sex-abuse/3632542002/

Well, I usually attend the Berlin movie festival each year, and guess what: Cuties was shown in Berlin too. I didn't care back then, which is why I didn't watch it, I don't care now. But this outrage just seems so ... artificial and over the top. If the movie is illegal, it will be pulled by judges. But actually I have a strong feeling that this will not happen. Because europe is actually pretty strong against child pornography, and the showing on the Berlin film festival would've caused backlash. But it didn't happen. Another point why it feels artificial: the outrage is mostly limited to america. Maybe that all is caused by the marketing material by Netflix. Possible.

And yes, some unrelated story about a person not related to the Sundance festival is somehow important. To quote your article: "The 71-year-old co-founded a Utah film festival that came to be known as Sundance Film Festival with Robert Redford, but hasn't been with the organization for more than two decades." Yes, that is totally relevant.

KManX89 said:

I've seen the claim that there is "female breast nudity of a minor" several times in this thread, however, upon a quick google, that appears to be false:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/09/12/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-netflixs-cuties-shows-child-nudity-in-call-for-doj-probe/#4b3ff66fc162

"that allegation is not true, and appears based on a false rumor."

This claim has been updated on IMDB, clarifying that the "female breast nudity" is in relation to an individual who is not a minor:

You'd think that, but you'd be surprised how people are really passionate about their outrage.

I dont know if you recall a film called "Thirteen" released in 2003. Rated R, and in short, was about a 13 year old girl introduced to sex, drugs, alcohol and crime, both lead actresses were underage at the time, I dont know if actually 13, but close, and while it showed nothing splicit - that I remember -  it certainly had a lot of suggestive themes regarding the sexualization of the lead actresses. All in the spirit of showcasing these "coming of age" moments in a negative way, as critique. I havent seen Cuties, could be the pile of crap people say it is, but from this thread I gather it touches very similar themes, only about suggestive dancing instead of sex/drugs/crime. 

Point is no one cared one bit back then about Thirteen. There was no huge campaign against the film, no outrage, film has good reviews and even 1 oscar nomination, Evan Rachel Wood went on to have a good career. Nada.  

Pfft, 2003, did Twitter even exist back then? Social media has strongly increased the ability to blow outrage way out of proportion and also people have learned how to utilize outrage for political power gains. Therefore I am not particularly surprised to see two uncussesful presidential primary candidates joining the outrage.

This behavior from a big company can`t be accepted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8dsjAoazdY

But I think that is ignored, because outrage on social media is more important.

If Cutties were animation, CGI or anything similar I would have no issue, since yes fictional world, no real underage person damaged or exposed, etc. But since it had real child doing obscene stuff and being tapped it can`t be defended for being work of art.

Similar to a game or movie with violence or killing is totally fine since no real person or animal was harmed but if you decided to hit people on the street and tape it, wouldn`t be considered ok and art even if you done it with intention to talk against violence (by commiting it).

I don`t know if people that play those games are more likely to molest or are just "well behaved" pedophiles... But the thing is you could them monitor whoever buy this games and uncover then faster if they plan or act... and with zero real girl harmed by the game making.

I don`t like that Sony took the censoring of those games, but I understand why they did and their worry that western world culture could make problems for them if they didn`t.

Also for the french movie, if in france that is legal but not in Europe they could lesser their problems by releasing only where that is socially and legally accepted.

This vid sums up everything wrong with this movie:

As for the tired "it's a commentary against sexualization of kids", again, that's like calling Saw/Hostel a social commentary saying that torture is bad by very explicitly showing and glorifying it (they don't call it torture porn for nothing), but at least in those movies, the torture (however graphic) isn't real whereas 11-year-old girls in this movie are literally grabbing their sensitive areas while dancing in provocative outfits and performing literal sex acts. That excuse doesn't fly when an adult is literally seen gawking at 11-year-old girls performing said sex acts as if he's turned on by it, which is disturbing enough all by itself. The director/writer's computer should probably be searched by the authorities.

Dint watch the film, but I saw comentators complaining and showing clips of the film of at the least what they thought was the worst parts. I have to say this is reaching softcore levels of porn. I really cant beileive there are people defending this.