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FragileSurface said:
Leynos said:

And he was always a terrible QB

You don't know what you're talking about.

He went to one Super Bowl and was one pass away from going to another.

He has the 6th best TD to INT ratio of all time.  Better than Manning or Brees.

You don't have to like him but you're wrong when you say he was always terrible.

And one of the most sacked QBs when he played as he held on too long. His SB year in 13 starts could only get a measly 1800 yards and 10TDs. Ryan Tannehill last year in 10 starts threw 22TDs and 2700 yards on a run-first team. A completion percentage below 60%. Passer rating is ok at 87 but not great. Only threw over 20TDs...once. That one time he only had a 58% completion percentage. This is back up QB stuff, not a starter. He was sacked 170 times and over 1000 yards. His final 2 years he only averaged 6 yards per throw. That's sad. He was athletic so he had flashes like many of these running QBs. They can make plays but can't be an overall good QB. Wilsons are the exception. Kap. Mariota and the like are the rule.

Trying to say he is better than Manning or Brees is funny. Manning played for over a decade. Brees is in his 17th year. They have 3SBs between them. He had so few ints because he had so few TDs. If he threw for 25TDs on average and 6-7ints over 15 years then we can talk.

Last edited by Leynos - on 09 September 2020

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shikamaru317 said:
Jpcc86 said:
What a weird thing to be pissed about, its obviously and sadly politically motivated.
If they added Pele, Maradona - or any well known player not on that level - as free agents in Fifa people would be happy about it. They probably already do.

Thing is Pele is a legend, regarded as one of the best players of all-time, that is why people would be happy to see him in FIFA. Colin isn't even close to that level of skill, he was a mediocre quarterback at best even when he was playing, and they have him rated higher than half the quarterbacks in the league who are actually playing this season. That is why people feel like this is a pandering move by EA.

If he's mediocre and better than half of the quarterbacks wouldn't that be exactly right?

mediocre
/ˌmiːdɪˈəʊkə/
adjective
adjective: mediocre
  1. of only average quality


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vivster said:
shikamaru317 said:

Thing is Pele is a legend, regarded as one of the best players of all-time, that is why people would be happy to see him in FIFA. Colin isn't even close to that level of skill, he was a mediocre quarterback at best even when he was playing, and they have him rated higher than half the quarterbacks in the league who are actually playing this season. That is why people feel like this is a pandering move by EA.

If he's mediocre and better than half of the quarterbacks wouldn't that be exactly right?

mediocre
/ˌmiːdɪˈəʊkə/
adjective
adjective: mediocre
  1. of only average quality

I said mediocre at best. Like Leynos pointed out above, he declined quite a bit in the last 2 years of his career before he was dropped (he had 1 win and 10 losses his final year), and now he is 5 years out of practice. It's kind of laughable that EA made his in-game rating 7 points higher now than it was in Madden 17. 



jason1637 said:
Lol he's never going to play at this point, why add him?

Because he is an American Hero that had his career taken away from him  



He's an optional player so who the hell cares? He's not getting shoved into your face. Fact is, he could be playing in the NFL right now, so it's not unrealistic.
And please don't start talking about these made up player ratings. There's always going to be someone unhappy about it.

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Barozi said:

He's an optional player so who the hell cares? He's not getting shoved into your face. Fact is, he could be playing in the NFL right now, so it's not unrealistic.
And please don't start talking about these made up player ratings. There's always going to be someone unhappy about it.

Except he's not playing in the NFL right now. I looked him up on wikipedia and he's basically bothering more with his autobiographical book than playing directly with the NFL, which would be seen and heard of on TV if he was anyway.

People got miffed when 343 was dicking around with Halo lore, and fans had their valid reasons, just like Football fans have valid reasons for a massive corp to stop using a player who played in the NFL 4 years ago, and currently isn't playing.

The main focus with these games, that you're not understanding, is that they are based on current seasons, not 4 or 20 years ago, otherwise we may as well have football player dating back from the 1920's by the "who cares" logic, and we know that doesn't fly.

Again, I hate sports, I hate EA sports games, but I understand that what they are doing is honestly stupid and pissing off fans interested in the games. If the sports games aren't allowed to be consistent, then honestly, why should any other game?.



Chazore said:
Barozi said:

He's an optional player so who the hell cares? He's not getting shoved into your face. Fact is, he could be playing in the NFL right now, so it's not unrealistic.
And please don't start talking about these made up player ratings. There's always going to be someone unhappy about it.

Except he's not playing in the NFL right now. I looked him up on wikipedia and he's basically bothering more with his autobiographical book than playing directly with the NFL, which would be seen and heard of on TV if he was anyway.

People got miffed when 343 was dicking around with Halo lore, and fans had their valid reasons, just like Football fans have valid reasons for a massive corp to stop using a player who played in the NFL 4 years ago, and currently isn't playing.

The main focus with these games, that you're not understanding, is that they are based on current seasons, not 4 or 20 years ago, otherwise we may as well have football player dating back from the 1920's by the "who cares" logic, and we know that doesn't fly.

Again, I hate sports, I hate EA sports games, but I understand that what they are doing is honestly stupid and pissing off fans interested in the games. If the sports games aren't allowed to be consistent, then honestly, why should any other game?.

I disagree completely.

Kaepernick is an active football player. He never retired.

Proof: https://www.nfl.com/players/colin-kaepernick/
UFA = Unrestricted Free Agent

EA Sports adds him as a free agent. What's the problem? It's part of the official "lore". If you don't like that, blame the NFL.

Besides, sports games have tons of old players and teams to use. NBA 2K series for example is full of classic teams, almost 70 in fact. Many of them can't even be considered legendary, they just had to add teams from each franchise so those fans wouldn't get angry.

https://www.2kratings.com/classic-teams

And yes, they of course also add players that currently don't have a team into a free agent section. It's been that way for years - no, decades.



Barozi said:
Chazore said:

Except he's not playing in the NFL right now. I looked him up on wikipedia and he's basically bothering more with his autobiographical book than playing directly with the NFL, which would be seen and heard of on TV if he was anyway.

People got miffed when 343 was dicking around with Halo lore, and fans had their valid reasons, just like Football fans have valid reasons for a massive corp to stop using a player who played in the NFL 4 years ago, and currently isn't playing.

The main focus with these games, that you're not understanding, is that they are based on current seasons, not 4 or 20 years ago, otherwise we may as well have football player dating back from the 1920's by the "who cares" logic, and we know that doesn't fly.

Again, I hate sports, I hate EA sports games, but I understand that what they are doing is honestly stupid and pissing off fans interested in the games. If the sports games aren't allowed to be consistent, then honestly, why should any other game?.

I disagree completely.

Kaepernick is an active football player. He never retired.

Proof: https://www.nfl.com/players/colin-kaepernick/
UFA = Unrestricted Free Agent

EA Sports adds him as a free agent. What's the problem? It's part of the official "lore". If you don't like that, blame the NFL.

Besides, sports games have tons of old players and teams to use. NBA 2K series for example is full of classic teams, almost 70 in fact. Many of them can't even be considered legendary, they just had to add teams from each franchise so those fans wouldn't get angry.

https://www.2kratings.com/classic-teams

And yes, they of course also add players that currently don't have a team into a free agent section. It's been that way for years - no, decades.

I never once said he had retired from football. I said he wasn't playing for the NFL currently.

EA still gets the blame for even coding it in in the first place. NFL don't have hired game coders, last time I checked, nor do they actively publish the game itself, that's all on EA, as they make the game and sell it.

You know when I said "add players from the 1920's" I was being literal to that example?. Like I want to push that logic so hard that it doesn't make any sense and is lauded for what it is, which is stupid, because these games are meant to be about the current season (for the majority part).

It's fine that you disagree, but others do not, so we'll have to chalk that up to the usual opinions part of the open discussion. 



Chazore said:
Barozi said:

I disagree completely.

Kaepernick is an active football player. He never retired.

Proof: https://www.nfl.com/players/colin-kaepernick/
UFA = Unrestricted Free Agent

EA Sports adds him as a free agent. What's the problem? It's part of the official "lore". If you don't like that, blame the NFL.

Besides, sports games have tons of old players and teams to use. NBA 2K series for example is full of classic teams, almost 70 in fact. Many of them can't even be considered legendary, they just had to add teams from each franchise so those fans wouldn't get angry.

https://www.2kratings.com/classic-teams

And yes, they of course also add players that currently don't have a team into a free agent section. It's been that way for years - no, decades.

I never once said he had retired from football. I said he wasn't playing for the NFL currently.

EA still gets the blame for even coding it in in the first place. NFL don't have hired game coders, last time I checked, nor do they actively publish the game itself, that's all on EA, as they make the game and sell it.

You know when I said "add players from the 1920's" I was being literal to that example?. Like I want to push that logic so hard that it doesn't make any sense and is lauded for what it is, which is stupid, because these games are meant to be about the current season (for the majority part).

It's fine that you disagree, but others do not, so we'll have to chalk that up to the usual opinions part of the open discussion. 

So according to your flawed logic, EA should remove the ability to create customized characters at once since none of them have ever played in any NFL season.

And if not, why would that be okay?



Barozi said:

So according to your flawed logic, EA should remove the ability to create customized characters at once since none of them have ever played in any NFL season.

And if not, why would that be okay?

random custom characters, not actual known irl players, no, by all means allow for "custom" characters.

If their main goal is to be using irl players over "custom" ones, then that's the rule.

I like how we've gone sharply from "I disagree" to "you're wrong and have flawed logic = I wanted to call you objectively wrong", all from "it doesn't matter" no less (if it didn't truly matter, you wouldn't be arguing this hard and looking up certain sources, but okay, sure).