KLXVER said:
Oh stop it. Just because some people dont think the US is a racist hellhole |
I dont think most people do. But when something so low key/low stakes as this generates this kind of reaction, ehhhhh.
Jpcc86 said:
I dont think most people do. But when something so low key/low stakes as this generates this kind of reaction, ehhhhh. |
Most things people freak out about today are low stakes and mostly insignificant. Thats just the way the world works right now.
| thismeintiel said: Gotta laugh at the people who actually believe he was blacklisted. He was let go because near the end he was declining as a QB. Not because he kneeled. Plenty of players kneeled, but didn't get let go. He was also offered a position as a backup QB on a few teams, but declined. He wants to be a star, not play football. He proved that with he childish behavior when the NFL gave him his own personal tryout. He's getting more spotlight, and probably money, from morons who believe he was a martyr. |
Yeah, some of his teammates who kneeled got signed to other teams when they hit FA. Other players in the league kneeled every game. Jurrell Casey Kneeled every game I think in 2018. He stayed signed to his team and went to a Pro Bowl that year. More examples like that, I had no issues with players kneeling. They were making a protest for something they believe in. Fine with me. Kap just was bad. If just having a bad attitude kept someone out of the NFl,a lot of players would not be playing right now.
Lafiel said:
Oh, you'd turn down the money? How virtuous of you to proclaim so, when you aren't in the position. |
Call it what you will, it’s not conviction so much as capitalizing on the current political climate when your professional career was all but fading.
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Jumpin said:
Not just politically motivated, but motivated by racism. Either they want to cater to racists or are racists themselves. This is part of the movement of those who don’t think black lives should matter, that US police should keep killing blacks at literally hundreds of times the rate of civilized nations. Another point, putting notable athletes from the past into games isn’t exactly something new that sports games started doing recently. Racists and racist enablers can go fuck themselves with a rusty pipe and no Vaseline. |
That’s a bit extreme take. He’s just not that good a athlete and doesn’t deserve the treatment EA gave him. It’s almost like EA gave him woke powers to supercharge him in the game to compensate for his real world mediocrity as a QB.
I don’t play Madden, but I imagine that’s the source of the reaction: making a player better in game because of his political statement, and not his talent. While the rest of the game IP remains stagnant and buggy.
I want to say this with intent to be as delicate as possible: You can disagree with certain aspects of someone’s actions and not be a racist. Imo kneeling at the anthem during a game is not the time nor place and is frankly not very patriotic. At the same time I believe in racial equality and anti police brutality.
Try to separate the politics from the sports. These are mostly sports fans reacting, not the despicable people you referring to.
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Hiku said:
They change stats of dead/old players that haven't played in years in between games, and people don't get upset about it. Realism becomes paramount in these situations though. People were counting Abby's calorie intake compared to her training schedule found in the game, measuring her body mass, etc, until they found out she's modeled after a real woman. Then they became quiet, and went on to the next thing. Though I don't disagree with the idea that EA are doing it for PR, but who cares. Well, people like this care:
People are fine with it (Metal Gear Solid, etc) until it's certain things they disagree with. |
If Pele was playing today he would be trained by today standards so he would be stronger and faster, still his technique and game vision is still better than any of today so he would dominate today Soccer just as well.
If you want to talk about European Soccer at the time, Santos was twice worldwide champion against european teams and Brazil was three times world champion with Pele and smashing european national teams while at that.
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So these guys want a version of this game with less content? Pretty self-defeating, even for cancel culture. There are plenty of things in the gaming industry worth crusading against, but this is just dumb.
| thismeintiel said: Gotta laugh at the people who actually believe he was blacklisted. He was let go because near the end he was declining as a QB. Not because he kneeled. Plenty of players kneeled, but didn't get let go. He was also offered a position as a backup QB on a few teams, but declined. He wants to be a star, not play football. He proved that with he childish behavior when the NFL gave him his own personal tryout. He's getting more spotlight, and probably money, from morons who believe he was a martyr. |
Just to correct a few things:
1. He wasn’t let go, he opted out of his contract. The 49ers have come out and said after the fact that they would have made him restructure his deal or cut him anyway, but the point remains that he opted out of his contract.
2. The only team on record to have offered Kaep a job was the Denver Broncos, via a trade before he opted out with San Fran. But he would have basically been making less money in two years than he would have made in his last year at San Fran, so he told Denver he wouldn’t restructure his deal. Nothing wrong with that.
3. The “tryout” the NFL tried to get him to agree to what a complete and utter joke. He was supposed to go out and do drills with people he’d never trained with, wasn’t allowed to bring any of his people, wasn’t allowed to record it, and wasn’t going to be given a copy of the film so that he could distribute it. There are other huge red flags the NFL threw in but essentially the NFL wanted to bring him out with no team scouts in attendance, have him run some drills with strangers and record it and then have Kaep trust them that they would hand out the tape to teams.
But a bigger joke than that workout is the idea that Kaep isn’t worthy of any job in the NFL, which is apparently what NFL GMs believe because he’s gotten zero workouts since he left the 49ers. Meanwhile:
Paxton Lynch, Duck Hodges, T.J. Yates, Brandon Allen, Kyle Allen, Mike Glendon, DeShone Kizer, Trevor Seimian, Tom Savage, Kevin Hogan, Matt Moore, Brett Hundley, Brock Osweiler, CJ Beathard, Bruce Petty, Jay Cutler, Drew Stanton, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Josh McCown, Jameis Winston, Blake Bortles, Case Keenum, Sam Bradford, Josh Rosen, Will Grier, Luke Falk, Ryan Finley, Sean Mannion, Mason Rudolph, Colt McCoy, AJ McCarron, David Blough, RG3, Jeff Driskel, Chase Daniel, Matt Schuab, among many many many others have all started games since Kaep has been out of the league. Kaep is not better than these guys? Yeah right.
Zero offers just for a workout for a guy that was a pass away from back to back Super Bowls, who was a physical beast running a system that every team wanted to switch to. But he kneeled and owners blocked him from the league. There’s a reason the NFL settled his lawsuit with him lol.
Not surprised at all that you have your head stuck in the sand here, though.
Hiku said:
Yeah, I was actually thinking of elaborating on what I said about what his player rating. Can't know for sure that Pele wouldn't be worthy of similar stats if he played in the current era. But rather, if he achieved similar accomplishments, they would be based on different merits. Regarding the different leagues, I'm not sure how it was back then, though I think Europe was more competitive back then as well. But I was more referring to the Europe of today. Today it is by far ,more competitive than any league was in Pele's era. Because the industry grew to a multi billion industry. The 99 player rating legends of our era were playing against teams worth hundreds of millions, whose defenders studied endless footage of their opponent religiously. Pele didn't get to play against teams like that. And his opponents would never see 99.99% of the things he did, as they were not caught on camera. While nearly every thing current era players have ever done on a football field is readily available to watch. For national teams, I think South America has generally always been among the strongest, and I think less has changed there than it has for club football overall. |
I guess you are using the wrong term when you say most competitive, perhaps it have stronger teams, but it is lot less competitive than Brazilian or Libertadores.
In Brazil at any given year at least 10 teams have a real chance of winning the national championship, versus most European Leagues where it is 2 or 3 teams since the begining of the championship that stand a chance (and Libertadores would be similar I would say). Don't forget that besides perhaps last decade a lot of Brazilian teams were able to beat the UEFA champions on the World Championship.
For you to have an idea the teams with most wins on our national championship
| Clube | Títulos | Vices | 3º | 4º | Edições em que foi campeão | Edições em que foi vice | Edições em que foi 3º | Edições em que foi 4º |
 Palmeiras |
10 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 1960, 1967,[nota 4] 1967,[nota 3] 1969, 1972, 1973, 1993, 1994, 2016 e 2018 | 1970, 1978, 1997 e 2017 | 2019 | 1964, 1965, 1968,[nota 3] 1979, 2004, 2005 e 2008 |
| Santos |
8 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968,[nota 3] 2002 e 2004 | 1959, 1966, 1983, 1995, 2003, 2007 e 2016 | 1974, 1998 e 2017 | 2006 |
| Corinthians |
7 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 1990, 1998, 1999, 2005, 2011, 2015 e 2017 | 1976, 1994 e 2002 | 1967,[nota 3] 1969, 1993 e 2010 | 1971, 1972, 1982, 1984 e 2014 |
| São Paulo |
6 | 6 | 3 | 4 | 1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007 e 2008 | 1971, 1973, 1981, 1989, 1990 e 2014 | 2003, 2004 e 2009 | 1993, 1999, 2012 e 2015 |
 Flamengo |
6 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1980, 1982, 1983, 1992, 2009 e 2019 | 1964 e 2018 | 1987, 2007 e 2016 | 2011 |
 Cruzeiro |
4 | 5 | 6 | 3 | 1966, 2003, 2013 e 2014 | 1969, 1974, 1975, 1998 e 2010 | 1968,[nota 4] 1973, 1989, 1995, 2000 e 2008 | 1967,[nota 4] 1970 e 2009 |
| Vasco da Gama |
4 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 1974, 1989, 1997 e 2000 | 1965, 1979, 1984 e 2011 | 1968,[nota 4] 1992 | 1959 e 1978 |
| Fluminense |
4 | 0 | 5 | 6 | 1970, 1984, 2010 e 2012 | — | 1960, 1975, 1988, 2001 e 2011 | 1966, 1976, 1991, 1995, 2002 e 2007 |
 Internacional |
3 | 6 | 7 | 3 | 1975, 1976 e 1979 | 1967,[nota 3] 1968,[nota 3] 1988, 2005, 2006 e 2009 | 1962, 1972, 1978, 1980, 1997, 2014 e 2018 | 1973, 1974 e 1987 |
| Grêmio |
2 | 3 | 9 | 6 | 1981 e 1996 | 1982, 2008 e 2013 | 1959, 1963, 1967,[nota 4] 1984, 1990, 2002, 2006, 2012 e 2015 | 1967,[nota 3] 1988, 1990, 2000, 2010, 2017 e 2018 |
| Botafogo |
2 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 1968[nota 4] e 1995 | 1962, 1972 e 1992 | 1963 | 1963, 1969, 1981, 1989 e 2013 |
 Bahia |
2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1959 e 1988 | 1961 e 1963 | — | 1990 |
| Atlético Mineiro |
1 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 1971 | 1977, 1980, 1999, 2012 e 2015 | 1970, 1976, 1983, 1986, 1991 e 1996 | 1985, 1994, 1997, 2001 e 2016 |
| Guarani |
1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1978 | 1986 e 1987 | 1982 e 1994 | — |
 Athletico Paranaense |
1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2001 | 2004 | 2013 | 1983 |
| Coritiba |
1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1985 | — | 1979 | 1980 |
 Sport |
1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1987 | — | — | 1962 |
And if you were to be really strict on the counting Palmeiras and Santos would lose 5 of their wins each.
So we have 17 teams that have won the championship, the most wins if considered only the "modern" championship is 7, with 9 teams winning at least 3 times.
Compare that with Spain for example that have Barcelona and Real Madrid dominating their championship you have only 9 teams that won at least once, with the team that won more time having 34 wins, 5 teams winning at least 3 times and a big drop in wins when you go for the 3rd or 4th team with most wins. So is La Liga more competitive than Brazil championship? I woulnd't say so. If you bet Real Madrid or Barcelona will win you are most likely to get it right, in Brazil if you bet in 2 teams you probably have less than 30% odd of getting it right.
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