By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics Discussion - EA getting slammed on social media for adding Colin Kaepernick to NFL 21 when he hasn't played since 2016

thismeintiel said:
Gotta laugh at the people who actually believe he was blacklisted. He was let go because near the end he was declining as a QB. Not because he kneeled. Plenty of players kneeled, but didn't get let go. He was also offered a position as a backup QB on a few teams, but declined. He wants to be a star, not play football. He proved that with he childish behavior when the NFL gave him his own personal tryout. He's getting more spotlight, and probably money, from morons who believe he was a martyr.

Yeah, some of his teammates who kneeled got signed to other teams when they hit FA. Other players in the league kneeled every game. Jurrell Casey Kneeled every game I think in 2018. He stayed signed to his team and went to a Pro Bowl that year. More examples like that, I had no issues with players kneeling. They were making a protest for something they believe in. Fine with me. Kap just was bad. If just having a bad attitude kept someone out of the NFl,a lot of players would not be playing right now.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Around the Network
Lafiel said:
sales2099 said:

 I don’t believe in making money off outrage culture. And I think that’s a fair stance to have. If he turned down all these sponsor deals then you can ride your high horse all day long about “convictions”. 

Oh, you'd turn down the money? How virtuous of you to proclaim so, when you aren't in the position.

Call it what you will, it’s not conviction so much as capitalizing on the current political climate when your professional career was all but fading. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Jumpin said:
Jpcc86 said:
What a weird thing to be pissed about, its obviously and sadly politically motivated.
If they added Pele, Maradona - or any well known player not on that level - as free agents in Fifa people would be happy about it. They probably already do.

Not just politically motivated, but motivated by racism. Either they want to cater to racists or are racists themselves. This is part of the movement of those who don’t think black lives should matter, that US police should keep killing blacks at literally hundreds of times the rate of civilized nations.

Another point, putting notable athletes from the past into games isn’t exactly something new that sports games started doing recently.

Racists and racist enablers can go fuck themselves with a rusty pipe and no Vaseline.

That’s a bit extreme take. He’s just not that good a athlete and doesn’t deserve the treatment EA gave him. It’s almost like EA gave him woke powers to supercharge him in the game to compensate for his real world mediocrity as a QB. 

I don’t play Madden, but I imagine that’s the source of the reaction: making a player better in game because of his political statement, and not his talent. While the rest of the game IP remains stagnant and buggy. 

I want to say this with intent to be as delicate as possible: You can disagree with certain aspects of someone’s actions and not be a racist. Imo kneeling at the anthem during a game is not the time nor place and is frankly not very patriotic. At the same time I believe in racial equality and anti police brutality.
Try to separate the politics from the sports. These are mostly sports fans reacting, not the despicable people you referring to. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Hiku said:
shikamaru317 said:
So apparently he had a 74 rating in Madden 17, compared to an 81 now. So EA is basically saying that he has improved to an 81 over the last few years of not playing.

They change stats of dead/old players that haven't played in years in between games, and people don't get upset about it.

Speaking of Pele, he played when the sport was a lot less technical and physically demanding than it is today. No coach could look up Pele's techniques and playstyle online and design a defense around it like they can today vs Messi and Ronaldo, etc. He also never played outside of America (Europe has by far the strongest leagues) so as much as Pele is a beloved player, it'd be hard to justify the 99 player rating he currently has in Fifa 20.
For his era, absolutely. But compared to the players and defense he'd be up against today, it's more of a symbolic rating, but I digress.

Realism becomes paramount in these situations though. People were counting Abby's calorie intake compared to her training schedule found in the game, measuring her body mass, etc, until they found out she's modeled after a real woman. Then they became quiet, and went on to the next thing.

Though I don't disagree with the idea that EA are doing it for PR, but who cares.

Well, people like this care:

KLXVER said:

Well people dont like real life politics in their games. I get that. 

People are fine with it (Metal Gear Solid, etc) until it's certain things they disagree with.

If Pele was playing today he would be trained by today standards so he would be stronger and faster, still his technique and game vision is still better than any of today so he would dominate today Soccer just as well.

If you want to talk about European Soccer at the time, Santos was twice worldwide champion against european teams and Brazil was three times world champion with Pele and smashing european national teams while at that.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

So these guys want a version of this game with less content? Pretty self-defeating, even for cancel culture. There are plenty of things in the gaming industry worth crusading against, but this is just dumb.



Around the Network
thismeintiel said:
Gotta laugh at the people who actually believe he was blacklisted. He was let go because near the end he was declining as a QB. Not because he kneeled. Plenty of players kneeled, but didn't get let go. He was also offered a position as a backup QB on a few teams, but declined. He wants to be a star, not play football. He proved that with he childish behavior when the NFL gave him his own personal tryout. He's getting more spotlight, and probably money, from morons who believe he was a martyr.

Just to correct a few things:

1. He wasn’t let go, he opted out of his contract. The 49ers have come out and said after the fact that they would have made him restructure his deal or cut him anyway, but the point remains that he opted out of his contract.

2. The only team on record to have offered Kaep a job was the Denver Broncos, via a trade before he opted out with San Fran. But he would have basically been making less money in two years than he would have made in his last year at San Fran, so he told Denver he wouldn’t restructure his deal. Nothing wrong with that.

3. The “tryout” the NFL tried to get him to agree to what a complete and utter joke. He was supposed to go out and do drills with people he’d never trained with, wasn’t allowed to bring any of his people, wasn’t allowed to record it, and wasn’t going to be given a copy of the film so that he could distribute it. There are other huge red flags the NFL threw in but essentially the NFL wanted to bring him out with no team scouts in attendance, have him run some drills with strangers and record it and then have Kaep trust them that they would hand out the tape to teams.

But a bigger joke than that workout is the idea that Kaep isn’t worthy of any job in the NFL, which is apparently what NFL GMs believe because he’s gotten zero workouts since he left the 49ers. Meanwhile:

Paxton Lynch, Duck Hodges, T.J. Yates, Brandon Allen, Kyle Allen, Mike Glendon, DeShone Kizer, Trevor Seimian, Tom Savage, Kevin Hogan, Matt Moore, Brett Hundley, Brock Osweiler, CJ Beathard, Bruce Petty, Jay Cutler, Drew Stanton, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Josh McCown, Jameis Winston, Blake Bortles, Case Keenum, Sam Bradford, Josh Rosen, Will Grier, Luke Falk, Ryan Finley, Sean Mannion, Mason Rudolph, Colt McCoy, AJ McCarron, David Blough, RG3, Jeff Driskel, Chase Daniel, Matt Schuab, among many many many others have all started games since Kaep has been out of the league. Kaep is not better than these guys? Yeah right.

Zero offers just for a workout for a guy that was a pass away from back to back Super Bowls, who was a physical beast running a system that every team wanted to switch to. But he kneeled and owners blocked him from the league. There’s a reason the NFL settled his lawsuit with him lol.

Not surprised at all that you have your head stuck in the sand here, though.



DonFerrari said:
Hiku said:

They change stats of dead/old players that haven't played in years in between games, and people don't get upset about it.

Speaking of Pele, he played when the sport was a lot less technical and physically demanding than it is today. No coach could look up Pele's techniques and playstyle online and design a defense around it like they can today vs Messi and Ronaldo, etc. He also never played outside of America (Europe has by far the strongest leagues) so as much as Pele is a beloved player, it'd be hard to justify the 99 player rating he currently has in Fifa 20.
For his era, absolutely. But compared to the players and defense he'd be up against today, it's more of a symbolic rating, but I digress.

Realism becomes paramount in these situations though. People were counting Abby's calorie intake compared to her training schedule found in the game, measuring her body mass, etc, until they found out she's modeled after a real woman. Then they became quiet, and went on to the next thing.

Though I don't disagree with the idea that EA are doing it for PR, but who cares.

Well, people like this care:

People are fine with it (Metal Gear Solid, etc) until it's certain things they disagree with.

If Pele was playing today he would be trained by today standards so he would be stronger and faster, still his technique and game vision is still better than any of today so he would dominate today Soccer just as well.

If you want to talk about European Soccer at the time, Santos was twice worldwide champion against european teams and Brazil was three times world champion with Pele and smashing european national teams while at that.

Yeah, I was actually thinking of elaborating on what I said about what his player rating. Can't know for sure that Pele wouldn't be worthy of similar stats if he played in the current era. But rather, if he achieved similar accomplishments, they would be based on different merits.
And we'd have to see exactly how he would fit in before knowing. Though I'm sure he'd be great regardless.

Regarding the different leagues, I'm not sure how it was back then, though I think Europe was more competitive back then as well. But I was more referring to the Europe of today. Today it is by far ,more competitive than any league was in Pele's era. Because the industry grew to a multi billion industry. The 99 player rating legends of our era were playing against teams worth hundreds of millions, whose defenders studied endless footage of their opponent religiously. Pele didn't get to play against teams like that. And his opponents would never see 99.99% of the things he did, as they were not caught on camera. While nearly every thing current era players have ever done on a football field is readily available to watch.

A 99 of this era's achievements would be measured by how well they fare against clubs like modern day Real Madrid, and there's nothing comparable to that 50 years ago. So comparing the stats of a player rating 99 from 1960 vs 2010 is very difficult.

For national teams, I think South America has generally always been among the strongest, and I think less has changed there than it has for club football overall.
Though national teams are usually composed of players that only play with each other a few times a year, so team synergy is not developed to the same level that clubs achieve, who play and train together all year around. So I think national competitions are generally more fickle in that regard.

Last edited by Hiku - on 10 September 2020

Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

If Pele was playing today he would be trained by today standards so he would be stronger and faster, still his technique and game vision is still better than any of today so he would dominate today Soccer just as well.

If you want to talk about European Soccer at the time, Santos was twice worldwide champion against european teams and Brazil was three times world champion with Pele and smashing european national teams while at that.

Yeah, I was actually thinking of elaborating on what I said about what his player rating. Can't know for sure that Pele wouldn't be worthy of similar stats if he played in the current era. But rather, if he achieved similar accomplishments, they would be based on different merits.
And we'd have to see exactly how he would fit in before knowing. Though I'm sure he'd be great regardless.

Regarding the different leagues, I'm not sure how it was back then, though I think Europe was more competitive back then as well. But I was more referring to the Europe of today. Today it is by far ,more competitive than any league was in Pele's era. Because the industry grew to a multi billion industry. The 99 player rating legends of our era were playing against teams worth hundreds of millions, whose defenders studied endless footage of their opponent religiously. Pele didn't get to play against teams like that. And his opponents would never see 99.99% of the things he did, as they were not caught on camera. While nearly every thing current era players have ever done on a football field is readily available to watch.

A 99 of this era's achievements would be measured by how well they fare against clubs like modern day Real Madrid, and there's nothing comparable to that 50 years ago. So comparing the stats of a player rating 99 from 1960 vs 2010 is very difficult.

For national teams, I think South America has generally always been among the strongest, and I think less has changed there than it has for club football overall.
Though national teams are usually composed of players that only play with each other a few times a year, so team synergy is not developed to the same level that clubs achieve, who play and train together all year around. So I think national competitions are generally more fickle in that regard.

I guess you are using the wrong term when you say most competitive, perhaps it have stronger teams, but it is lot less competitive than Brazilian or Libertadores.

In Brazil at any given year at least 10 teams have a real chance of winning the national championship, versus most European Leagues where it is 2 or 3 teams since the begining of the championship that stand a chance (and Libertadores would be similar I would say). Don't forget that besides perhaps last decade a lot of Brazilian teams were able to beat the UEFA champions on the World Championship.

For you to have an idea the teams with most wins on our national championship 

Clube Títulos Vices Edições em que foi campeão Edições em que foi vice Edições em que foi 3º Edições em que foi 4º
 Palmeiras 10 4 0 7 1960, 1967,[nota 4] 1967,[nota 3] 1969, 1972, 1973, 1993, 1994, 2016 e 2018 1970, 1978, 1997 e 2017 2019 1964, 1965, 1968,[nota 3] 1979, 2004, 2005 e 2008
 Santos 8 7 3 1 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968,[nota 3] 2002 e 2004 1959, 1966, 1983, 1995, 2003, 2007 e 2016 1974, 1998 e 2017 2006
 Corinthians 7 3 4 5 1990, 1998, 1999, 2005, 2011, 2015 e 2017 1976, 1994 e 2002 1967,[nota 3] 1969, 1993 e 2010 1971, 1972, 1982, 1984 e 2014
 São Paulo 6 6 3 4 1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007 e 2008 1971, 1973, 1981, 1989, 1990 e 2014 2003, 2004 e 2009 1993, 1999, 2012 e 2015
 Flamengo 6 2 3 1 1980, 1982, 1983, 1992, 2009 e 2019 1964 e 2018 1987, 2007 e 2016 2011
 Cruzeiro 4 5 6 3 1966, 2003, 2013 e 2014 1969, 1974, 1975, 1998 e 2010 1968,[nota 4] 1973, 1989, 1995, 2000 e 2008 1967,[nota 4] 1970 e 2009
 Vasco da Gama 4 4 2 2 1974, 1989, 1997 e 2000 1965, 1979, 1984 e 2011 1968,[nota 4] 1992 1959 e 1978
 Fluminense 4 0 5 6 1970, 1984, 2010 e 2012 1960, 1975, 1988, 2001 e 2011 1966, 1976, 1991, 1995, 2002 e 2007
 Internacional 3 6 7 3 1975, 1976 e 1979 1967,[nota 3] 1968,[nota 3] 1988, 2005, 2006 e 2009 1962, 1972, 1978, 1980, 1997, 2014 e 2018 1973, 1974 e 1987
 Grêmio 2 3 9 6 1981 e 1996 1982, 2008 e 2013 1959, 1963, 1967,[nota 4] 1984, 1990, 2002, 2006, 2012 e 2015 1967,[nota 3] 1988, 1990, 2000, 2010, 2017 e 2018
 Botafogo 2 3 1 5 1968[nota 4] e 1995 1962, 1972 e 1992 1963 1963, 1969, 1981, 1989 e 2013
 Bahia 2 2 0 1 1959 e 1988 1961 e 1963 1990
 Atlético Mineiro 1 5 6 5 1971 1977, 1980, 1999, 2012 e 2015 1970, 1976, 1983, 1986, 1991 e 1996 1985, 1994, 1997, 2001 e 2016
 Guarani 1 2 2 0 1978 1986 e 1987 1982 e 1994
 Athletico Paranaense 1 1 1 1 2001 2004 2013 1983
 Coritiba 1 0 1 1 1985 1979 1980
 Sport 1 0 0 1 1987 1962

And if you were to be really strict on the counting Palmeiras and Santos would lose 5 of their wins each.

So we have 17 teams that have won the championship, the most wins if considered only the "modern" championship is 7, with 9 teams winning at least 3 times.

Compare that with Spain for example that have Barcelona and Real Madrid dominating their championship you have only 9 teams that won at least once, with the team that won more time having 34 wins, 5 teams winning at least 3 times and a big drop in wins when you go for the 3rd or 4th team with most wins. So is La Liga more competitive than Brazil championship? I woulnd't say so. If you bet Real Madrid or Barcelona will win you are most likely to get it right, in Brazil if you bet in 2 teams you probably have less than 30% odd of getting it right.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Imagine being mad at a player you don't have to play.



DonFerrari said:

I guess you are using the wrong term when you say most competitive, perhaps it have stronger teams, but it is lot less competitive than Brazilian or Libertadores.

Yeah, you're right. If Bayern Munich wins its league every year, you can say it's less competitive. Because a handful of clubs are able to spend a lot more money to buy the best players.