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PAOerfulone said:
Chris Hu said:

Steph Curry is the best three-point shooter of all time but is way too one dimensional to ever be close to my, top ten players of all time even if he plays another five years. Steph is not even close to be at or near the top ten in any other statistical category besides three-point shooting and even with all the three he made he is still only 47th in the list of points leaders. Jayson Tatum pretty much played like ass the entire series so its kind surprising the Celtics actually won two games in the finals. Well, on to the draft going to be interesting who is going to pick Nikola Jovic the guy has the potential to easily become the steal of the draft.

Well, well, well... He disappears at the end of the First Round after pretty much all of his predictions fell apart, and comes back just in time to dog on Steph.

There has never been a dude who has changed or impacted the game the way Steph has. What he has done for the game of basketball goes FAR beyond any stat sheet or statistical category. 

Back in the 90s and 00s, the kids wanted to "Be Like Mike." Now? The kids want to "Be Like Steph." And now, he just silenced the only argument people could make against him: "He NeVeR wOn FiNaLs MvP!!!"

Dude is a 4x Champ, 2x League MVP (First and only Unanimous MVP), Finals MVP, 2x Scoring Champ, 1x STEALS Champ (For those who say he can't play defense.) and is far and away the greatest shooter in history. 

Lead the league in steals one year yet isn't even close to being in the top 50 when it comes to career steals:

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Steals | Basketball-Reference.com

Again, way too one dimensional to be one of the 10 greatest players of all times.



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Chris Hu said:
PAOerfulone said:

Well, well, well... He disappears at the end of the First Round after pretty much all of his predictions fell apart, and comes back just in time to dog on Steph.

There has never been a dude who has changed or impacted the game the way Steph has. What he has done for the game of basketball goes FAR beyond any stat sheet or statistical category. 

Back in the 90s and 00s, the kids wanted to "Be Like Mike." Now? The kids want to "Be Like Steph." And now, he just silenced the only argument people could make against him: "He NeVeR wOn FiNaLs MvP!!!"

Dude is a 4x Champ, 2x League MVP (First and only Unanimous MVP), Finals MVP, 2x Scoring Champ, 1x STEALS Champ (For those who say he can't play defense.) and is far and away the greatest shooter in history. 

Lead the league in steals one year yet isn't even close to being in the top 50 when it comes to career steals:

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Steals | Basketball-Reference.com

Again, way too one dimensional to be one of the 10 greatest players of all times.

Being injured early on in your career with ankle problems and missing an entire season with a broken hand will do that.

The dude is 6'2", 185, yet he has the 5th most rebounds in playoff history for a PG and averages around 5 and a half a game in the playoffs. And he's in the top 20 all time in the regular season and will likely finish in the top 10 when his career is over. Doesn't sound so one dimensional to me.

He's also one of the best passers in the league, one of the best at finishing around the rim, his floater is as lethal as his 3 point shot, and his defense is FAR better than people give him credit for. He just forced 6 TOs in a close out game on the road, in the NBA Finals IN BOSTON!

And once again, his statistical resume PALES in comparison to his actual impact on the game, which holds FAR more weight. When his career is over, people will look back at Steph as one of the few people who revolutionized the game of basketball. They already look at him that way NOW!



Chris Hu said:
PAOerfulone said:

Well, well, well... He disappears at the end of the First Round after pretty much all of his predictions fell apart, and comes back just in time to dog on Steph.

There has never been a dude who has changed or impacted the game the way Steph has. What he has done for the game of basketball goes FAR beyond any stat sheet or statistical category. 

Back in the 90s and 00s, the kids wanted to "Be Like Mike." Now? The kids want to "Be Like Steph." And now, he just silenced the only argument people could make against him: "He NeVeR wOn FiNaLs MvP!!!"

Dude is a 4x Champ, 2x League MVP (First and only Unanimous MVP), Finals MVP, 2x Scoring Champ, 1x STEALS Champ (For those who say he can't play defense.) and is far and away the greatest shooter in history. 

Lead the league in steals one year yet isn't even close to being in the top 50 when it comes to career steals:

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Steals | Basketball-Reference.com

Again, way too one dimensional to be one of the 10 greatest players of all times.

You're kinda coming across right now as someone who forms all their sport opinions by looking at box scores and stat sheets, rather than actually watching games.



Angelus said:
Chris Hu said:

Lead the league in steals one year yet isn't even close to being in the top 50 when it comes to career steals:

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Steals | Basketball-Reference.com

Again, way too one dimensional to be one of the 10 greatest players of all times.

You're kinda coming across right now as someone who forms all their sport opinions by looking at box scores and stat sheets, rather than actually watching games.

Yeah, nope the numbers don't lie.



Chris Hu said:
Angelus said:

You're kinda coming across right now as someone who forms all their sport opinions by looking at box scores and stat sheets, rather than actually watching games.

Yeah, nope the numbers don't lie.

"Lies, damned lies and statistics."



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PAOerfulone said:
Chris Hu said:

Lead the league in steals one year yet isn't even close to being in the top 50 when it comes to career steals:

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Steals | Basketball-Reference.com

Again, way too one dimensional to be one of the 10 greatest players of all times.

Being injured early on in your career with ankle problems and missing an entire season with a broken hand will do that.

The dude is 6'2", 185, yet he has the 5th most rebounds in playoff history for a PG and averages around 5 and a half a game in the playoffs. And he's in the top 20 all time in the regular season and will likely finish in the top 10 when his career is over. Doesn't sound so one dimensional to me.

He's also one of the best passers in the league, one of the best at finishing around the rim, his floater is as lethal as his 3 point shot, and his defense is FAR better than people give him credit for. He just forced 6 TOs in a close out game on the road, in the NBA Finals IN BOSTON!

And once again, his statistical resume PALES in comparison to his actual impact on the game, which holds FAR more weight. When his career is over, people will look back at Steph as one of the few people who revolutionized the game of basketball. They already look at him that way NOW!

One of the best passers what exactly are you smoking to say that.  He is a slightly above good passer at best he never even came close to leading the league in assist.  He is not even in the top 50 when it comes to total career assists.

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Assists | Basketball-Reference.com



Here is a great hypothetical scenario to proof just how overrated Steph is as a player. Put him on the Warriors of the late 80s early 90s instead of Mitch Richmond and have him play there his entire career he would have ended up with zero titles. Put Mitch Richmond on the Warriors starting in 09-10 and have him play there his entire career and the Warriors still would have won 4 titles and more than likely more since he averaged over 22 points per game in his first ten years in the league.



Chris Hu said:
Angelus said:

You're kinda coming across right now as someone who forms all their sport opinions by looking at box scores and stat sheets, rather than actually watching games.

Yeah, nope the numbers don't lie.

Then I guess they don't lie about the fact that Curry is the most efficient superstar scorer of all time, right?

Or is True Shooting one of the annoying stats that fly in the face of your point, and therefore is really not particularly useful.



Chris Hu said:

Here is a great hypothetical scenario to proof just how overrated Steph is as a player. Put him on the Warriors of the late 80s early 90s instead of Mitch Richmond and have him play there his entire career he would have ended up with zero titles. Put Mitch Richmond on the Warriors starting in 09-10 and have him play there his entire career and the Warriors still would have won 4 titles and more than likely more since he averaged over 22 points per game in his first ten years in the league.

Now you're basing your arguments off "If he played in this era?" Yeah, you've got no leg to stand on here. You're just making yourself look bad at this point.

Why don't we just go ahead and say "Put MJ on the 70s to early 80s Bulls and they don't win any titles." Or "Put Bird on the 90s Celtics and they don't even make the ECF playing against MJ's Bulls, Reggie's Pacers, Shaq's Magic, and Ewing's Knicks." Or "Put Tim Duncan on the 80s Spurs instead of George Gervin and he wins 0 championships whereas Gervin wins 5 and maybe more." Or "Put LeBron on the 90s Cavs in place of Mark Price and they don't make it past the ECSF because they would've lost to MJ's Bulls every time." 

It's a very flawed argument that can be spin by ANYONE to fit ANY narrative. Like so...

When was Mitch Richmond ever getting double and triple teamed as soon as he crossed half court because teams were THAT scared to death of him? Also, Steph next to Chris Mullen and Tim Hardaway? OOF, Mullin, Hardaway, and those boys would've FEASTED with more room to work with thanks to Steph's gravity. The first year Richmond left the Warriors, they won 55 games with just Mullin and Hardaway. Now if you put Steph with them, that team is making the Finals and who knows, they might even beat Jordan's Bulls. Because unless you put Jordan or Pippen on him, there is NOBODY on that '92 Bulls team that can guard Steph. And whoever is not being guarded by MJ or Pippen between Mullin and Hardaway, that player is going to feast like KD feasted in '17 and '18 and how Wiggins was feasting in these Finals.

Hypothetically, if Ritchmond was on the Warriors from 09 onwards, they never would've drafted Klay Thompson since Ritchmond was a shooting guard and they wouldn't have needed another, which means they would have likely stuck with Monta Ellis. So that's a big piece gone. They probably don't even win much anyway seeing as how as good of a player Richmond was, all of his teams were losers and never even sniffed the playoffs. The only championship he ever won was when he road the bench on the '02 Lakers. So what the hell makes you think he can magically make these Warriors better? These Warriors that were been built SPECIFICALLY AROUND STEPH from the moment he was drafted?!?

You sound like a pure hater at this point. Just admit you don't like Steph and move on.



Actually, Richmond's career would have been a lot better than it was if he would have started in 09-10 since defenses are a lot softer overall now than they were in the late 80s and late 90s on the flip side Curry career would have been worse since defenses were a lot tougher in the late 80s and 90s plus him being injury prone would have meant he would have had a lot more injuries. But since you brought up finals MVP let me list the ones that are clearly better overall players the Steph in my, book. Jerry West aka the logo only finals MVP on a losing team. Kareem all-time leading scorer enough said. Wilt Chamberlain only player to average over 50 points a game per season, only play to at one point lead the league in scoring, rebounding and assist, once averaged over 48 minutes per game played in a season since he never missed any minutes and played in some overtime games. John Havlikcek second best Celtic of all time at that point behind Russel and you can make the argument he still is. Wes Unseld best undersized center ever listed at 6'7' but probably was closer to being 6'6' only player besides Wilt that won rookie of the year and league MVP in the same season averaged 14 rpg. Magic Johson best player on the 80s Lakers best overall point guard because of his size. Moses Malone averaged 20.3 ppg and 12.3 rpg in his career. Larry Bird best player on the 80s Celtics still one of the best small forwards of all time. Michael Jordan clearly the best SG of all time. Hakeem Olajuwon averaged 21.8 ppg and 11.1 rpg only player that carried a 6th seed team to win an NBA title win that destroyed the Magic's future hopes of being contenders. Tim Duncan best power forward ever won 5 titles. Shaq on of the best centers ever won 5 titles. Kobe Bryant still the second-best SG ever won five titles. Dirk on of the best forwards of all time still the best Euro player ever in the NBA way more influential than Steph will ever be when it comes to European players. LeBron James the best small forward and soon will be the all-time scorer. Kevin Durant better overall player two times final MVP. Kawhi Lenoard great all-around guard/forward 2-time finals MVP beat both Step and LeBron in the finals. Also, time his career is over Giannis numbers will be much better also even if he spends his entire career with the Bucks and doesn't win another title.