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DonFerrari said:
Rhonin the wizard said:

Private? Those are publicly available tweets.

So the title of his video isn't a reference of Tim calling to him to hire as attorney?

Chazore said:

The guy is a lawyer on youtube, and he's simply calling Tim out on his obvious hypocrisy and the "freedom fight", which isn't even a freedom fight.

I will take his words over Tim's any day, because, well Tim isn't a lawyer and is more of a snake oil salesman, one that wants to break everyone's ToS but his own. 

So Tim didn't call him as potential customer?

Call him?.

No, Some pleb basically linked Tim the lawyer's last video on the subject and Tim went on his usual "philosophical" tirade, to which the lawyer dude made that video. If you watch the vid, you'll even see the dude is willingly open to Tim coming onto his show and talking about the current situation. 

But like Rhonin said, all Tim has been talking about has been entirely public based for all to read and reply to. It's not just this lawyer dude either, there's multiple lawyers on YT talking about how infallible Tim's tirade is and the same levels of hypocrisy he's giving off. 



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

So the title of his video isn't a reference of Tim calling to him to hire as attorney?

So Tim didn't call him as potential customer?

Call him?.

No, Some pleb basically linked Tim the lawyer's last video on the subject and Tim went on his usual "philosophical" tirade, to which the lawyer dude made that video. If you watch the vid, you'll even see the dude is willingly open to Tim coming onto his show and talking about the current situation. 

But like Rhonin said, all Tim has been talking about has been entirely public based for all to read and reply to. It's not just this lawyer dude either, there's multiple lawyers on YT talking about how infallible Tim's tirade is and the same levels of hypocrisy he's giving off. 

I'm from the time lawyers would only talk about their own cases in court and comment on public to help his case instead of basically self promote talking on cases they aren't part of. But well at least it isn't what I was thinking it was.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

I'm from the time lawyers would only talk about their own cases in court and comment on public to help his case instead of basically self promote talking on cases they aren't part of. But well at least it isn't what I was thinking it was.

Lawyers outside of court could still offer their say on other matters though. They aren't machines pre-programmed to stay out of X case, because they are a part of Y case or no case at all. It's actually good that we're seeing lawyers talking about legality and other cases online, and not via paper or tv interviews, because now we get more of an insight and some education on legality, legislation and other parts of court cases as an education.

The guy isn't self promoting himself though. He's been running his channel for years, while also working as a lawyer and offering his takes on these matters, which anyone can absolutely do as a human being. 

He's right to basically tell us and point out to us that Tim is a walking hypocrite and he's right to ask Tim to even show up and try talking down a lawyer who knows his arena and laws in general, while Tim does not, and is far more likely to lose in that arena (hence why we're seeing him throw this childish, unregulated tirade on social media, instead of keeping his trap entirely shut and letting his own lawyers only in court mind you, do the talking).



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm from the time lawyers would only talk about their own cases in court and comment on public to help his case instead of basically self promote talking on cases they aren't part of. But well at least it isn't what I was thinking it was.

Lawyers outside of court could still offer their say on other matters though. They aren't machines pre-programmed to stay out of X case, because they are a part of Y case or no case at all. It's actually good that we're seeing lawyers talking about legality and other cases online, and not via paper or tv interviews, because now we get more of an insight and some education on legality, legislation and other parts of court cases as an education.

The guy isn't self promoting himself though. He's been running his channel for years, while also working as a lawyer and offering his takes on these matters, which anyone can absolutely do as a human being. 

He's right to basically tell us and point out to us that Tim is a walking hypocrite and he's right to ask Tim to even show up and try talking down a lawyer who knows his arena and laws in general, while Tim does not, and is far more likely to lose in that arena (hence why we're seeing him throw this childish, unregulated tirade on social media, instead of keeping his trap entirely shut and letting his own lawyers only in court mind you, do the talking).

His channel is a form of auto promotion, not that it is a problem though.

There is a big difference between US and Brazil regulations on this though. Even though our lawyers more or less circumvent this regulation from the board they aren't allowed to do publicity (like those ads on bus that is so common to see on US movies).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

His channel is a form of auto promotion, not that it is a problem though.

There is a big difference between US and Brazil regulations on this though. Even though our lawyers more or less circumvent this regulation from the board they aren't allowed to do publicity (like those ads on bus that is so common to see on US movies).

It's kinda hard as a lawyer to talk about that subject and distance it from self promotion, like an artist talking about colour pellets for example.

Brazil honestly has it being rather restrictive if you ask me. I'm glad we've got a guy like this and a few others on youtube, because keeping something so tightly bound under lock and key just doesn't help us see the big picture. 

It's thanks to this guy that we can see more of what's actually going on in this case, as well as Tim's position in all of this, rather than relying on shoddy journalists (who know next to nothing about laws in general, band are insanely known for click-bait bs) to info us on what's going on. 



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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

His channel is a form of auto promotion, not that it is a problem though.

There is a big difference between US and Brazil regulations on this though. Even though our lawyers more or less circumvent this regulation from the board they aren't allowed to do publicity (like those ads on bus that is so common to see on US movies).

It's kinda hard as a lawyer to talk about that subject and distance it from self promotion, like an artist talking about colour pellets for example.

Brazil honestly has it being rather restrictive if you ask me. I'm glad we've got a guy like this and a few others on youtube, because keeping something so tightly bound under lock and key just doesn't help us see the big picture. 

It's thanks to this guy that we can see more of what's actually going on in this case, as well as Tim's position in all of this, rather than relying on shoddy journalists (who know next to nothing about laws in general, band are insanely known for click-bait bs) to info us on what's going on. 

Sure, everybody and every company can promote their product or service, but for some reason the board of lawyers in Brazil forbid them... probably to keep market reserve for the old guys that already have big offices and customers so mouth to mouth benefits them.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Epic overplayed his hand, and for a company that doesn’t want an exception they are getting one. If a small developer company violates the terms of agreement with Apple, the are kicked out in an instant, but epic gets a two week notice. Epic is acting as they are freedom fighters on behalf of the consumer, but until the rules have changed in case they win their case, they have to comply with the rules, even if they don’t like them or are unfair.
Apple has every right to end their developer program because they are still in violation of the agreed terms. The agreed terms are for Epic as a company not for an specific game.
They tried to focus more on the publicity stunt they pulled, than considering the liabilities of this move. If apple takes out Fortnite after an antitrust suit is presented , that would be retaliation, but if they keep violating the terms, even if they want to convince the public opinion it’s retaliation, it’s within the guidelines it doesn’t matter if they are Epic.



This is getting more amusing as the documents go on. 



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Pemalite said:

We need to keep in mind that Epic runs it's own "App Store" but specialized towards video games, so whatever push they make in the industry for change, will have consequences upon themselves as well, especially as they are growing rather significantly on PC.

Epic has long been very vocal about the 30% cuts platform holders demand, regardless if it's Apple, Valve or whatever... They actually only charge a 12% fee for games sold on their store and Unreal Engine itself is only 5%.

If Epic is successful, it could mean some very positive change for the entire industry and some actual benefits for the consumer, it will be interesting to see what will happen going forth...
I would personally not be against the idea for profit cuts down towards 15-20% for consoles, mobile and PC all around and have more money funneled into developers, that way we there will be less of a need to increase game costs to make up rising development costs.

Do you really believe that publishers will pass the cost saving down to their customers?



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pemalite said:

We need to keep in mind that Epic runs it's own "App Store" but specialized towards video games, so whatever push they make in the industry for change, will have consequences upon themselves as well, especially as they are growing rather significantly on PC.

Epic has long been very vocal about the 30% cuts platform holders demand, regardless if it's Apple, Valve or whatever... They actually only charge a 12% fee for games sold on their store and Unreal Engine itself is only 5%.

If Epic is successful, it could mean some very positive change for the entire industry and some actual benefits for the consumer, it will be interesting to see what will happen going forth...
I would personally not be against the idea for profit cuts down towards 15-20% for consoles, mobile and PC all around and have more money funneled into developers, that way we there will be less of a need to increase game costs to make up rising development costs.

Do you really believe that publishers will pass the cost saving down to their customers?

Probably not. But they are opening themselves up for a shit storm if they walk away with a larger % of the profits and throw a price increase on top of it.




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