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With Sony and MS releasing new hardware, will Switch be considered as 9th gen?

Yes 79 51.97%
 
No 73 48.03%
 
Total:152

Yes because it succeeds a 8th gen platform.



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Barkley said:

(...) Generel consensus is what matters (...)

Does it really?

Do you remember Colin Powell speech as to why the US and UK went to war against the Irak?

The reasons he stated were the "general consensus" for many years why it was right to invade that country, until

all off them were proven false (and admitted as such by the involved parties)

What we can take from that is that just because something is general consensus it doesnt mean it's right.

General consensus doesnt work as a basis for an argument.

Last edited by GamingRabbit - on 31 July 2020

Nintendo Switch:

... announced as a Home Console

... advertised as a Hybrid

... delivered as a Portable

Pemalite said:
The Switch's hardware feature set is aligned with the 8th gen consoles, so I would not lump it with the 9th gen because of that.

In terms of successive releases it is 9th gen... As it succeeds the 8th gen WiiU and 3DS devices.

But the real question is... Why does it matter?

8th gen, actually.

Nintendo had a 1st gen console (but not 2nd), so if you're using successive releases then you'd need to push every console from the NES onwards back a gen.



Technology inside, power, time in market, games on it will have much more in common with 8th gen than 9th.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hmm, so if someone creates a Wikipedia page for the ninth generation consoles and just copy and pastes the Switch in the eighth generation page over, it would be a ninth generation console as far as the general consensus is concerned.
Great to know we are all on the same page. While we're at it, we should probably remove the DS from the 7th gen as it's not powerful enough and tell the Dream cast that it came out too early to count and the N64 that it was too late and that the Wii was too weak to be 7th gen and that 4 years to replace the Game boy advance was a mistake for our generation list.

Oh the tragedy that it doesn't make sense. Woe is me.
If only, if only, if only the Playstation 2 had come out later and more powerful it could have qualified to be amongst the Gamecube and Xbox.
The poor poor Wii U simply isn't good enough to be counted alone side the xbone or ps4. Oh if only the fools would have learned.



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As a home console, and in in terms of hardware and the games it gets, I'd say it's an 8th Gen system.
But as a successor to 3DS, it would be 9th Gen.

I think because of its hardware/library, and because I never thought it was a great idea to mix home console generations with portable, I refer to it mainly as an 8th Gen system, because aside from systems, generations to me refer to games of that era.
When someone brings up the 5th generation, I think of games like Final Fantasy 7-9.
When someone brings up the 8th Generation, I'd think of games like Mortal Kombat 11. I wouldn't consider it a Gen 9 game because it was made for Switch as well.

But the fact that this is something people can debate means there will probably be confusion about this going forward.

Last edited by Hiku - on 31 July 2020

8th generation

Wii U: 2012

PS4: 2013 

Xbox One: 2013

Mid-gen upgrades of 8th generation:

Switch: 2017

PS4 Slim / PS4 Pro: 2016

Xbox One S / Xbox One X: 2016/2017

Btw Wikipedia lists Switch as 8th generation too. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles



GamingRabbit said:
xl-klaudkil said:

This is silly, ofcourse is the switch lite not a hybrid, the av cables for the psp tou had to buy  put of the box the switch is both  console  and handheld,i only use my switch as a console.

but ofcourse you know it better then nintendo. 

You can decide to use your laptop only when it is connected to an external displaying unit if you wish, but that doesnt make it a stationary PC.

You can use your fingers to dig a hole, yet you dont have 5 shovels attached to your hand.

That means, just because A CAN be used in a way that B can be used, doesnt make A = B.

(Example: f(x) = x² and f(x) = x produce the same y at x = 1, but they are still different functions)

Nintendo can say many things if the day is long, but they dont have to tell the truth.

The hybrid thing is just a marketing thing, nothing more.

The PSP is a valid point, because it was intended by the manufacturer that it is able to be used that way.

Whether the cable is included right from the start or not doesnt matter.

For dedicaded gaming devices the following goes:

Handheld: must be usable in a portable contect, may be usable in a stationary context

Home console: must be usable in a stationary contect, must not be usable in a portable contect.

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Lets turn things around, shall we?

Can you prove, why the switch is a hybrid?

And no, Nintendo saying so doesnt count.

And TV-play doesnt count either because both stationary and portable systems are allowed to do that without them changing their definition.

Do it based on the hardware inside the switch itself.

By the logic that PSP needed to use generic cables that weren't sold together (ignoring that the hw and fw itself supported it) then now that some smartphones are sold without charger then it must mean they have infinite battery right?

It can`t be any more obvious that Switch is a handheld first and with some tweaks to make it easier to play on the tv or share multiplayer.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Truthstation said:

8th generation

Wii U: 2012

PS4: 2013 

Xbox One: 2013

Mid-gen upgrades of 8th generation:

Switch: 2017

PS4 Slim / PS4 Pro: 2016

Xbox One S / Xbox One X: 2016/2017

Btw Wikipedia lists Switch as 8th generation too. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles

Switch is not a mid gen upgrade, but an entirely new device with its own library.  Your logic is flawed.

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and therefore is open to people who mistakenly call it gen 8 to state as much.  That does not make it fact.  The bigger factor is how long it competes with the PS5 and XSX.  If it stays on the market beyond 2023, there is no denying it as a 9th gen console with hybrid functions.  And with the way Switch is selling, don't expect a successor anytime soon.

Couple that with the fact that it replaced the actual gen 8 console, and it becomes all that more clear that Switch is part of gen 9.



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Personally I consider the Switch a mid-gen sort of thing, that would have been a 9th gen system, if Nintendo hadn't screwed up with their Wii U, which was unpopular and caused Nintendo to make a successor a little earlier than what was typical for them. The Switch 2 will also likely be a mid-gen sort of thing that releases in 3 or 4 years time, and a Switch 3 (or whatever it is that Nintendo decides to call their system) will probably release fairly close to the PS6/Xbox5 release, (maybe a year or 2 after depending on how popular the Switch 2 was) and they will all be 10th gen systems.

What I would find odd is the Switch, Xbox series X and PS5 all being 9th gen systems, the Switch 2 being classified as a 10th gen system when it gets released in 2023 or whenever, and the Switch 3, Xbox 5 and PS6 all being 11th gen systems when they get released between the years 2027 - 2029. That scenario would pretty much put the Switch 2 in a generation by itself, which as I said, I'd find that odd.

Last edited by NyanNyanNekoChan - on 31 July 2020