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Cant lose a war, if you dont take part....

Nintendo basically went for the blue ocean, of doing a handheld that hooks up to a tv, so it didnt need to compete with the others.
Now xbox is like "we're staying here, developeing for all systems (the lowest denominator), and selling gamepass, and GaaS". 
(xbox series x, is just xbox one and a half, same games, slightly higher resolutions, its what happends when you dont move on gen from gen)

Both basically didnt want to do a traditional console anymore.
So theres only Sony left, the other two went the own ways, to avoid a battle.

Playstation is still like, new gen! new games, bigger and better, with better graphics not possible on old gen!

Instresting to see how this plays out.

Gamepass is crazy good value though, maybe its enough.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 29 July 2020

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goopy20 said:
Flouff said:

I still can't measure the impact of Gamepass on the gaming ecosystem. In a near future, it won't change gaming that much, because there are other consoles makers, third party games are not usually day one on it, and Microsoft is in an hybrid situation where it's a console maker and a service provider. However, they said yesterday that Gamepass is a long term project that doesn't lead to a lot of earnings for now. How this service can be cheap in the future if they success and third party games are day one on it, and won't benefit from earlier sales on others plateformes ? I don't know if it can kill traditional consoles. I don't know, according to the fact everything is available only by this kind of service, if it will transform even more the economic model for games as a service. Or if we will be in a situation where we must suscribe to 5 or 6 service providers, like we must do fr TV shows with Netflix, Disney, or to see every kind of football competitions.
I'm a bit conflicted. It seems a good value for gamers short term, but after... Well, the time it happens, maybe i would have already left gaming.

I'm also not sure what to think of it. If you look at the success of Fortnite, then it makes sense that that is the type of games MS hopes to recreate and have it locked behind GP. But ever since Epic released Fortnite, they haven't released anything noteworthy since. I mean why would they when they can just keep updating Fortnite and make way more revenue?

I'm a bit afraid we will see the same thing with MS's first party games. Grounded was just released on GP. It's great and I can definitely see it becoming a big game for MS. However, after playing for like an hour, I got a message that I already completed the story content... Multiplayer also doesn't seem to be working so it's obviously a game that isn't finished yet. If it becomes a smash hit, it wouldn't surprise me if Obsidian would put all their resources in it and it could be a while before we seen anything else from them, like Avowed for example. I also don't like the idea that there won't be a new Halo and I have a strong feeling Fable, Forza and Everwild will all follow the same GAAS formula. 

Games as a service and gamepass, is the Xbox strategy.
For it to work, you need a large user base, which means not dropping old devices.
The drawback is this limits your game design, and graphics.

Now theres work arounds, artstyle can cover for alot of it.
Ei. dont try to make realistic looking games, its too demanding.
Go with less complexity, and cartoony looks, is easier on the hardware.

Thats why alot of these games (fortnite) arnt so demanding, and scale well with hardware.
Xbox is obviously attempting something akin to that.

343 said Halo Infinate is the last stand alone halo you will get (for atleast 10+ years).
They will do occasional dlc and expansions for it.  It'll be a GaaS style halo.



LivingMetal said:
VAMatt said:

If you read between the lines of what Phil said in the last couple weeks where he mentioned "don't expect GP on other consoles", you can see that they want to put GP on other systems.  But, they're not able to reach acceptable terms with Sony or Ninty for doing so.

  

Define "acceptable" in this context.

I have no idea what Sony, Ninty, and MS would find acceptable.  All I know is that Phil more or less said that they can't reach an agreement with those guys.  My assumption would be that the MS doesn't want to raise the price of the service, and that giving a few dollars of it to the platform holder makes the math not work for MS.  



JRPGfan said:

Cant lose a war, if you dont take part....

Nintendo basically went for the blue ocean, of doing a handheld that hooks up to a tv, so it didnt need to compete with the others.
Now xbox is like "we're staying here, developeing for all systems (the lowest denominator), and selling gamepass, and GaaS". 
(xbox series x, is just xbox one and a half, same games, slightly higher resolutions, its what happends when you dont move on gen from gen)

Both basically didnt want to do a traditional console anymore.
So theres only Sony left, the other two went the own ways, to avoid a battle.

Playstation is still like, new gen! new games, bigger and better, with better graphics not possible on old gen!

Instresting to see how this plays out.

Gamepass is crazy good value though, maybe its enough.

Yup that pretty much sums it up. Series X is more of a formality to show they're still making consoles and for people to gawk at the specs. But I still think we'll be shocked once MS announces the price. It will probably be a niche product with a niche price, as I don't see why MS would be willing to take a hit on each console sold if they don't care about building a huge install base in the first place. My guess is that they'll be talking a lot more about the price of Lockhart in August and reveal the price of Series X on the low.

I do like GP as well and it will probably be a financial success for MS, I just wished they had a bit more faith in Series X. I honestly think they could have given the ps5 a run for its money if they had something like Halo Infinite as a launch title and designed as a technical showcase for Series X. It sure would have been way more exciting to kick off next gen. Without competition, I just hope Sony doesn't get lazy, though.  

 



JRPGfan said:

Cant lose a war, if you dont take part....

Nintendo basically went for the blue ocean, of doing a handheld that hooks up to a tv, so it didnt need to compete with the others.
Now xbox is like "we're staying here, developeing for all systems (the lowest denominator), and selling gamepass, and GaaS". 
(xbox series x, is just xbox one and a half, same games, slightly higher resolutions, its what happends when you dont move on gen from gen)

Both basically didnt want to do a traditional console anymore.
So theres only Sony left, the other two went the own ways, to avoid a battle.

Playstation is still like, new gen! new games, bigger and better, with better graphics not possible on old gen!

Instresting to see how this plays out.

Gamepass is crazy good value though, maybe its enough.

"We're staying here and developing for all systems" er... I guess you must have missed the part where none of the games coming from MS are coming to Xbox One (State of Decay 3, Forza Motorsport, Everwild, Hellblade 2, Avowed, and Fable). 



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  • PlayStation are more focused on next-gen.
  • Xbox are more focused on Game Pass.
  • Nintendo are more focused on hybrid/portable market and their evergreen IPs.
  • Water is still wet.

What this translates to:

  • PlayStation will be the faster selling next-gen system.
  • Xbox have the best subscription model, and while supporting cross-gen still has far more momentum coming into the next gen. By getting more people into their ecosystem, they help their chances of an increased market share long-term, even though they'll probably still 'lose'.
  • Nintendo will still have the best-selling system until 2022 at least.

Don't worry. Lord Gabe wouldn't tell us all to buy the new Xbox over PS if it was just some niche side-product



NobleTeam360 said:
JRPGfan said:

Cant lose a war, if you dont take part....

Nintendo basically went for the blue ocean, of doing a handheld that hooks up to a tv, so it didnt need to compete with the others.
Now xbox is like "we're staying here, developeing for all systems (the lowest denominator), and selling gamepass, and GaaS". 
(xbox series x, is just xbox one and a half, same games, slightly higher resolutions, its what happends when you dont move on gen from gen)

Both basically didnt want to do a traditional console anymore.
So theres only Sony left, the other two went the own ways, to avoid a battle.

Playstation is still like, new gen! new games, bigger and better, with better graphics not possible on old gen!

Instresting to see how this plays out.

Gamepass is crazy good value though, maybe its enough.

"We're staying here and developing for all systems" er... I guess you must have missed the part where none of the games coming from MS are coming to Xbox One (State of Decay 3, Forza Motorsport, Everwild, Hellblade 2, Avowed, and Fable). 

MS can't support the Xbox One forever, but all of those games will run fine on any half decent pc. Hell, I'm currently playing Ori in 120fps and 1440p already on my modest GTX1060. 

Like I been saying for months. We won't see any exclusives really pushing Series X until specs equal or better than a RTX2080 and NVME SSD becomes standard among pc gamers. Maybe we'll see a massive price drop when AMD and NVIDIA's new gpu's come out and it won't be that long. But if the prices stay the way they are, next gen could be half way over until that happens.

From what I heard the RTX3070 will be on par with a RTX2080, so it's going to be interesting to see how much that'll cost. Especially since the prices of the RTX20xx card is expected to skyrocket as they stopped production and there's an increased demand from cryptocurrency miners.



COKTOE said:
Eagle367 said:
No the point is Xbox's main platform is now Gamepass not Xbox consoles. They are gonna combine Game pass and xcloud as well soon. And the console is just for people who like consoles since there are a lot of those. Why deny yourself any potential customers? It's more money for them.

Not yet it isn't. Besides, aren't Xbox consoles the #1 portal to Gamepass?

You just answered the main question. Xbox consoles aren't the main platform, but they are an access to the main platform. So for Microsoft to get people on Gamepass, their best access point is a console. That's all the purpose it serves. Plus all those 3rd party and first party sales from people not on Gamepass is just a bonus. 



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People don't seem to understand the role of dcloud in the Gamepass debate. With xcloud, they won't need you to have a good PC. You can just stream the games on it or on your phone or even on the switch if that ever happens. And then, Microsoft can easily make the most advanced games and so can 3rd party devs. Just stream when your PC or platform of choice ain't powerful enough and play locally if it is. Simple enough formula. The real roadblock is internet speeds around the world and nothing else



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Alara317 said:
Oh man, I just imagined how awesome it'd be to have Xbox GamePass on PS4/5. I'm all excited all of a sudden!

At least we have some indirect confirmation that GP is in fact awesome if Sony was the one to implement it. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.