That’s fair. Just habit I guess. Seen too many anti GP opinions as of late. Gears 17? Was that a sequel jab? There’s tons of Ratchet and Clank games, even God of War is the fifth entry. 

I doubt it's just going to be $5, game pass as it is now is not profitable / sustainable.

Besides that, Sony won't allow a competing service on their system that undercuts PS Now so the total monthly game pass price to use on ps would have to be over $19.99 a month. Or rather, Sony would probably want $10 a month to have you play game pass games instead of ps now games. Or maybe less if MS allows PS Now on XBox in return.

Anyway, doubt it will ever happen since Sony does want you to buy their consoles and getting people hooked on gamepass, then opting to drop playstation to get gamepass cheaper on a different device or simply keep playing on the old device is not in Sony's best interest. It's the typical embrace, extend, extinguish strategy MS uses.

If i have to think of it, I wonder if i am anti GP. If it was avalaible on ps4, would I suscribe due the attractive price ? Maybe, but I hope no. I easily understand what's great with it, but I don't want to be part of something that could, in my opinion, eventualy, head gaming in a direction I don't want. I can also understand that people would like this future, it's a matter of opionion. And at short term, in a non hypothetical world, it has indeed great value.

I daubt it, fanboys will always try to make platforms compete regardless.

I remember the days i was in heated endless debates and getting downvoted about claiming MSs direction and thier focus in the console market.. goes to show that it doesnt matter how right you are, people wont change their point of views.

Really? The Switch can maybe run most XSX games? At least try to be realistic with your Xbox FUD.

Also of course after the event where they showed most of their games are skipping Xbox One you still have to spin it as a negative, clinging to PC lol. Just gonna bow out of this goopalicious thread.

Dude, nobody's anti-Gamepass. The seemingly unanimous agreement on the forum and elsewhere is that Gamepass is an outstandingly good deal, but the lack of Xbox Exclusives makes it not worth it to get an Xbox. Gamepass is the thing Microsoft is doing very well! 

Unless you were, inexplicably, making a different argument that was running parallel to the one I remember, vividly, referencing "how right you were", and others people's inability to change their point of view makes me want to challenge you to a fistfight.

Your take: You were repeatedly making a blanket, absolute statement, saying "console sales don't matter". Which is still incorrect now, even when applied only to Microsoft, the company detaching itself the most from the traditional console sales model. When applied to Nintendo and PS, who's combined market share represents much more of the console market than that of Xbox, that argument gets even worse. Many, if not all, of the finer points as to why this point of view was incorrect have already been covered.

So, "console sales don't matter": That was essentially the totality of your stance. You weren't right then. You're merely less wrong now.

I haven't looked at it, but I have a direct link back to one specific instance of what I'm referencing here, because it was my most recent ban.

Thank you for that nice reply. Well maybe not here. I also check Twitter, where I’m not joking that seems to be the “frontlines” of the console war. It’s mostly Goopys opinion; more or less fear mongering that Game Pass is the “death” of AAA games. Quite the negative prophecy. Also that it’s not sustainable and will be dropped because it’s so value packed. Then you got staunch“I don’t rent games I only buy” but usually said in a disingenuous way.  

The contrary is that AAA like Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 show no evidence of being lesser then their predecessors. Also future AAA games like SoD3, Fable, Avowed, HB2. Even Halo for its looks is the most ambitious campaign in franchise history and the MP should be as feature packed as ever. And finally GP doesn’t restrict you from buying games.

It’s the usual. Back and forth, my side is better then yours. Your pros are crap my pros matter more. That’s why I like it here, it’s more civilized. 

Console wars have usually been very dumb, but the corporations don't care as much anymore. It's really just "consumers" and "gamers" who still treat them like they exist.
The fourth generation was basically the first console war. I guess you could argue they happened in the first three generations if you want. But Atari smoked everyone in the second gen, and Nintendo really smoked the competition in the third gen. Sega and Nintendo very much had a console war. Genesis/Mega Drive beat Super Famicom/SNES to the market by two years and mocked the Famicom/NES with its outdated hardware.
Seventh generation saw Sony saying things like "the next generation doesn't start until we say it does."
Console wars don't make sense anymore. Nintendo has been doing its own thing for a while, and is now unopposed in the handheld market. Xbox is focusing far more on subscriptions and cloud-based gaming than hardware as the future. PlayStation is really the only one that continues on the steady path, but that makes sense with their console domination.

That's just it, I'm not trying to be nice or mean or cruel or callous or compassionate. I'm just trying to explain in most every post of mine why things are the way they are and why some people seem to perceive things differently. I'm not trying to 'let you down easily' or anything, I just go by what I feel, what I observe, and what I think is the most logical explanation. My post up there was very simple: Gamepass is a great deal, but it doesn't seem to be enough to get people to buy an Xbox. It's the most delicious icing on a pretty tiny little mediocre cake.

If the Xbox brand had more games, then Gamepass would be outstanding; however, without that initial buy-in incentive, gamers don't get the most benefit out of the service. Same with Backwards compatibility, that sort of shit is AWESOME and I wish Sony was doing it better, but the reality is that people don't buy new consoles for old games and it seems a stunningly large amount of people still prefer to buy or own their games. Goopy has some points, even if he's a little off from time to time. 

In order to get the most out of Gamepass and Backwards compatibility and more powerful hardware (The three things Xbox does best), you need those exclusive games. Without that incentive as the core driving force behind the console, those other sweet-assed features are delicious toppings on a lacklustre meal. 

That's why I keep saying none of that matters. That's why I keep saying Xbox has no games. That's why I personally feel Microsoft would be better going third party. Nintendo and Sony both have huge lineups of legacy franchises and new IPs that sell well, are beloved, and run the gamut from every genre and age group, but Microsoft is very pointedly an 'American' system, focused on shooters and racers. They do those games fairly well (Forza is the best racing game franchise out there; Halo, though not my thing, is probably the most iconic shooter of all time, etc), but it's basically all they do. Targetting a niche demographic is fine when you're not a console manufacturer, but Microsoft needs to broaden its horizons and try new things. Not just make promises, but actually follow through. 

That's also why I'd be super keen on the idea of GamePass on PS5 (or if I bite the bullet and upgrade, PC, since it almost certainly won't ever come to PS5): Microsoft has a few good games and the deal is outstanding, it's just not enough to make me want an Xbox. 

As for twitter and stuff...well, you're on the internet. IT doesn't matter what side of any debate you're on you're likely to find the most vile and hateful rhetoric.