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Alara317 said:
Oh man, I just imagined how awesome it'd be to have Xbox GamePass on PS4/5. I'm all excited all of a sudden!

At least we have some indirect confirmation that GP is in fact awesome if Sony was the one to implement it. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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sales2099 said:
Alara317 said:
Oh man, I just imagined how awesome it'd be to have Xbox GamePass on PS4/5. I'm all excited all of a sudden!

At least we have some indirect confirmation that GP is in fact awesome if Sony was the one to implement it. 

Still takin' jabs, I see. 

I always thought it was a good product, I always thought it was a good value, but it's still not a good enough reason to get an Xbox. If the exact same service was on a console I already had, it'd be great! I'm not buying an Xbox Series X for Gamepass, though. I can already get most of those games on the PS4/5 (and many of which I already have and don't need to buy a subscription for), while the exclusives just aren't plentiful or good enough. However, if I didn't have to make that massive investment of a new console, then yeah! it'd be worth it for Gears 17.



The_Liquid_Laser said:

The most common way for a war to end is when one side accepts defeat.  This is Microsoft accepting defeat.

Would you say Nintendo accepted defeat since the Wii? Doesn’t seem to be bothering them much. Unlike Nintendo that stopped trying to compete in traditional hardware MS is doing both. Traditional hardware/games but also services that just take the industry in a new direction. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Alara317 said:
sales2099 said:

At least we have some indirect confirmation that GP is in fact awesome if Sony was the one to implement it. 

Still takin' jabs, I see. 

I always thought it was a good product, I always thought it was a good value, but it's still not a good enough reason to get an Xbox. If the exact same service was on a console I already had, it'd be great! I'm not buying an Xbox Series X for Gamepass, though. I can already get most of those games on the PS4/5 (and many of which I already have and don't need to buy a subscription for), while the exclusives just aren't plentiful or good enough. However, if I didn't have to make that massive investment of a new console, then yeah! it'd be worth it for Gears 17.

That’s fair. Just habit I guess. Seen too many anti GP opinions as of late. Gears 17? Was that a sequel jab? There’s tons of Ratchet and Clank games, even God of War is the fifth entry. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Alara317 said:
SvennoJ said:

Gamepass would cost more though since Sony would still want/need royalties. They don't do all the R&D and planning to sell hardware at break even or a small loss so you can play games on it for free. The 12% platform royalty per game is what makes the relatively cheap hardware possible. Of course if MS is going to hand over 12% of their gross game pass revenue to Sony, it could happen. And you probably still need ps+ to play gamepass games online :/

yeah but cost has never been the concern. If I can get it for, say, $5 more on PS5, that's worth it to not have to buy an Xbox or upgrade my PC.

I doubt it's just going to be $5, game pass as it is now is not profitable / sustainable.

Besides that, Sony won't allow a competing service on their system that undercuts PS Now so the total monthly game pass price to use on ps would have to be over $19.99 a month. Or rather, Sony would probably want $10 a month to have you play game pass games instead of ps now games. Or maybe less if MS allows PS Now on XBox in return.

Anyway, doubt it will ever happen since Sony does want you to buy their consoles and getting people hooked on gamepass, then opting to drop playstation to get gamepass cheaper on a different device or simply keep playing on the old device is not in Sony's best interest. It's the typical embrace, extend, extinguish strategy MS uses.



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sales2099 said:
Alara317 said:

Still takin' jabs, I see. 

I always thought it was a good product, I always thought it was a good value, but it's still not a good enough reason to get an Xbox. If the exact same service was on a console I already had, it'd be great! I'm not buying an Xbox Series X for Gamepass, though. I can already get most of those games on the PS4/5 (and many of which I already have and don't need to buy a subscription for), while the exclusives just aren't plentiful or good enough. However, if I didn't have to make that massive investment of a new console, then yeah! it'd be worth it for Gears 17.

That’s fair. Just habit I guess. Seen too many anti GP opinions as of late. Gears 17? Was that a sequel jab? There’s tons of Ratchet and Clank games, even God of War is the fifth entry. 

If i have to think of it, I wonder if i am anti GP. If it was avalaible on ps4, would I suscribe due the attractive price ? Maybe, but I hope no. I easily understand what's great with it, but I don't want to be part of something that could, in my opinion, eventualy, head gaming in a direction I don't want. I can also understand that people would like this future, it's a matter of opionion. And at short term, in a non hypothetical world, it has indeed great value.



I daubt it, fanboys will always try to make platforms compete regardless.

I remember the days i was in heated endless debates and getting downvoted about claiming MSs direction and thier focus in the console market.. goes to show that it doesnt matter how right you are, people wont change their point of views.

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goopy20 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Where else are they going to push GamePass? Nintendo doesn't have the hardware to run many of the GamePass games and remember how much Sony hated EA Access until years later they finally caved in? No way would Sony want the GamePass service on their platform, it would make PS Now pretty pointless unless they too started putting their games on there day one.

Releasing a console gives them a place to push the service and make a lot more money than they would elsewhere.

The Switch probably can, if all their 1st party games are designed to scale and run in 4k/60 or 120fps on Series X.

This is exactly what I've been saying for months. GP is fantastic but it gets in the away of launching a next gen console and pushing its hardware. Series X doesn't have exclusives because MS doesn't want games on GP that are designed around high-end specs. I mean how great would GP be if your pc couldn't run 95% of the games on there? Almost every pc on the planet has access to GP, so that's obviously where MS expects to get most of their revenue from in the foreseeable future. Their end game is Xcloud, though, so they can go after the mobile gamers and have GP pre-installed on Samsung Tv's.

MS is thinking about potentially reaching 2 billion people, so why would they care about a max Series X installbase of like 50m? I'm Pretty sure they would have to pay royalties to companies like Samsung as well. So when you think about it, it wouldn't make business sense NOT to release GP on ps5 or Switch.

Really? The Switch can maybe run most XSX games? At least try to be realistic with your Xbox FUD.

Also of course after the event where they showed most of their games are skipping Xbox One you still have to spin it as a negative, clinging to PC lol. Just gonna bow out of this goopalicious thread.



sales2099 said:
Alara317 said:

Still takin' jabs, I see. 

I always thought it was a good product, I always thought it was a good value, but it's still not a good enough reason to get an Xbox. If the exact same service was on a console I already had, it'd be great! I'm not buying an Xbox Series X for Gamepass, though. I can already get most of those games on the PS4/5 (and many of which I already have and don't need to buy a subscription for), while the exclusives just aren't plentiful or good enough. However, if I didn't have to make that massive investment of a new console, then yeah! it'd be worth it for Gears 17.

That’s fair. Just habit I guess. Seen too many anti GP opinions as of late. Gears 17? Was that a sequel jab? There’s tons of Ratchet and Clank games, even God of War is the fifth entry. 

Dude, nobody's anti-Gamepass. The seemingly unanimous agreement on the forum and elsewhere is that Gamepass is an outstandingly good deal, but the lack of Xbox Exclusives makes it not worth it to get an Xbox. Gamepass is the thing Microsoft is doing very well! 



Azzanation said:

I daubt it, fanboys will always try to make platforms compete regardless.

I remember the days i was in heated endless debates and getting downvoted about claiming MSs direction and thier focus in the console market.. goes to show that it doesnt matter how right you are, people wont change their point of views.


Unless you were, inexplicably, making a different argument that was running parallel to the one I remember, vividly, referencing "how right you were", and others people's inability to change their point of view makes me want to challenge you to a fistfight.

Your take: You were repeatedly making a blanket, absolute statement, saying "console sales don't matter". Which is still incorrect now, even when applied only to Microsoft, the company detaching itself the most from the traditional console sales model. When applied to Nintendo and PS, who's combined market share represents much more of the console market than that of Xbox, that argument gets even worse. Many, if not all, of the finer points as to why this point of view was incorrect have already been covered.

So, "console sales don't matter": That was essentially the totality of your stance. You weren't right then. You're merely less wrong now.

I haven't looked at it, but I have a direct link back to one specific instance of what I'm referencing here, because it was my most recent ban.



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