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Should Lucasfilm decanonize the sequels

Yes 10 52.63%
 
No 9 47.37%
 
On the fence 0 0.00%
 
Total:19

If only, but I doubt they will. They should make a movie/series during the old republic!



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Manlytears said:
Forget og Star wars, forget prequels and sequels! we need movies set at the old Sith Empire, the dark days, the time when sith lords were true gods who terrified the galaxy without ever needing "Death Stars and Chimichangas"! The future of star wars is in the past and ancient lore.

Count on Disney to fuck up that as well and make the dark times rosy.



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The sequel trilogy was appalling. To be honest, I'd say it's time to end star wars as a film franchise.



DonFerrari said:
Manlytears said:
Forget og Star wars, forget prequels and sequels! we need movies set at the old Sith Empire, the dark days, the time when sith lords were true gods who terrified the galaxy without ever needing "Death Stars and Chimichangas"! The future of star wars is in the past and ancient lore.

Count on Disney to fuck up that as well and make the dark times rosy.

unfortunately you are probably correct. sad, the thing has potential, but ... it's Disney.



Prediction: In 5 years Nintendo will Lauch a "Core Mario game"  very similar to Astro Bot. That said, many will Ignore Astro Bot existence and say Nintendo created this concept.

I liked Rogue One. But outside of that, the only Star Wars film I found myself enjoying from start to finish was Star Wars 77. It's pretty much the perfect blueprint for the blockbuster film genre. It's only major downside was Mark Hamill's acting and, without Rogue One, the whole rebellion felt contrived. Like Rogue One, it's darker, grittier, had more supporting cast, and felt much more organic and like it exists in a universe. Once you get past this film, the franchise becomes far less detailed and FAR more cartoony (mainly from Return of the Jedi forward). Rogue One is the only Star Wars film I found that felt like a worthy successor to Star Wars 77, it captured the spirit a lot better.

I've heard people describe Empire Strikes Back as "dark and depressing" but it's Star Wars 77 and Rogue One easily crush it in either of those categories... depressing isn't the word I'd use, maybe melancholic/sad. I thing about Empire Strikes Back being the darker thing began  as a meme from the Kevin Smith film Clerks, because before that I remember it being "the slow Star Wars film where they didn't blow up a death star." Empire Strikes Back was definitely a big sleeper hit in the franchise, moving from the worst received to the best received after Clerks. So basically, Empire Strikes Back has Kevin Smith to thank. Not just that, but the entire franchise, Star Wars was ultra-unpopular in the early 90s, something only dorky losers were supposed to like (I remember hiding my Tie Fighter disks from friends =P).

Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi weren't bad, I don't find them anywhere near as close to as great as people make them out to be. They had FAR too much filler which wrecked the pacing, lots of blatant merch advertisement in the films (people list Boba Fett as one of the main reasons these are good, he's a pointless character), and the dramatic scenes involving Hamil gave me chills of revulsion: especially the Way over the top hammy as fuck "NOOOOOOOOOO!" scene. The battle at the end of Return of the Jedi was dumb compared to Rogue One, very contrived with Admiral Akbar and such making irrational decisions many of which blatantly cowardly that just conveniently fit the plot. Bringing up Rogue One again, unlike Admiral Akbar, Raddus didn't leave his balls at home.

I'm not going too deep into Episode 1-3. They were filler city mixed with horrendous acting - so bad it's sad. The space battle scenes were slow as hell, there was nothing fun about them The lightsaber battles were interesting. Story was stupid as hell, and the dialogue is some of the worst I have ever seen in any film. There's some decent scenes, mostly those not involving Christian Haydensen in his adult or kid form (and it's not even all his fault, well, the adult version of him at least, the dialogue and plotting for his character was more sickening than it was for anyone else). Despite the good scenes, they exist in a pile of shit, and so the films might as well be piles of shit.

Episode 7, plot contrivances aplenty! The characters randomly changed from heroic to cowardly. They randomly stumbled upon the exact shit they needed. And the whole thing was just Star Wars 77 all over again for the 3rd time, and much worse. On the bright side, the acting was great compared to all of the other Star Wars films outside of the first one (minus Hamill). Pacing was also a lot better than the 1-3 and 5-7. But overall, it's just another over-budgeted sub-par formulaic blockbuster. People complained about this one having a girl as the lead, who the fuck cares? No one cared about Annie in Episode 1-3, who was undoubtedly a little bitch.

Episode 8, was better crafted than 7, while it still had its contrivances, they weren't nearly as blatant or painful as Episode 7. The cast was more engaging than the first film. In my opinion, while not very good, probably the best Star Wars film in the mainline since Starwars 77, except I much preferred the far grittier, more detailed, and visceral Rogue One. I think my main complaint for Episode 8 was that it was cartoony, but every single mainline Starwars film from Return of the Jedi onward was cartoony. Other than that, it's well paced, well acted, and the plotting is a lot better than the last film.

I'm going to rank and score all of the Starwars films I've seen, it's based on my opinion, and it's relative, so the fact my top film on the list gets a 10 doesn't mean I think it's a perfect 10 film in the context of ALL films, just in the context of this franchise:

1. Star Wars Rogue One - 10/10

2. Star Wars 77/Episode 4 (though, this is a redaction, so I prefer calling it 77) - 8/10

3. Star Wars Episode 8 - 6/10

4. Star Wars Episode 7 - 3/10

5. Empire Strikes Back - 2/10

6. Return of the Jedi - 2/10

7. Episode 1-3 (I don't care which order because a pile of shit is a pile of shit). all of them are less than 1/10

And my opinion on whether or not Episode 7-9 should be canon? I think it's irrelevant whether they're canon or not, but mostly because I don't give a shit. From an objective business standpoint, decanonizing them would be retarded. 

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Jumpin said:

I liked Rogue One. But outside of that, the only Star Wars film I found myself enjoying from start to finish was Star Wars 77. It's pretty much the perfect blueprint for the blockbuster film genre. It's only major downside was Mark Hamill's acting and, without Rogue One, the whole rebellion felt contrived. Like Rogue One, it's darker, grittier, had more supporting cast, and felt much more organic and like it exists in a universe. Once you get past this film, the franchise becomes far less detailed and FAR more cartoony (mainly from Return of the Jedi forward). Rogue One is the only Star Wars film I found that felt like a worthy successor to Star Wars 77, it captured the spirit a lot better.

I've heard people describe Empire Strikes Back as "dark and depressing" but it's Star Wars 77 and Rogue One easily crush it in either of those categories... depressing isn't the word I'd use, maybe melancholic/sad. I thing about Empire Strikes Back being the darker thing began  as a meme from the Kevin Smith film Clerks, because before that I remember it being "the slow Star Wars film where they didn't blow up a death star." Empire Strikes Back was definitely a big sleeper hit in the franchise, moving from the worst received to the best received after Clerks. So basically, Empire Strikes Back has Kevin Smith to thank. Not just that, but the entire franchise, Star Wars was ultra-unpopular in the early 90s, something only dorky losers were supposed to like (I remember hiding my Tie Fighter disks from friends =P).

Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi weren't bad, I don't find them anywhere near as close to as great as people make them out to be. They had FAR too much filler which wrecked the pacing, lots of blatant merch advertisement in the films (people list Boba Fett as one of the main reasons these are good, he's a pointless character), and the dramatic scenes involving Hamil gave me chills of revulsion: especially the Way over the top hammy as fuck "NOOOOOOOOOO!" scene. The battle at the end of Return of the Jedi was dumb compared to Rogue One, very contrived with Admiral Akbar and such making irrational decisions many of which blatantly cowardly that just conveniently fit the plot. Bringing up Rogue One again, unlike Admiral Akbar, Raddus didn't leave his balls at home.

I'm not going too deep into Episode 1-3. They were filler city mixed with horrendous acting - so bad it's sad. The space battle scenes were slow as hell, there was nothing fun about them The lightsaber battles were interesting. Story was stupid as hell, and the dialogue is some of the worst I have ever seen in any film. There's some decent scenes, mostly those not involving Christian Haydensen in his adult or kid form (and it's not even all his fault, well, the adult version of him at least, the dialogue and plotting for his character was more sickening than it was for anyone else). Despite the good scenes, they exist in a pile of shit, and so the films might as well be piles of shit.

Episode 7, plot contrivances aplenty! The characters randomly changed from heroic to cowardly. They randomly stumbled upon the exact shit they needed. And the whole thing was just Star Wars 77 all over again for the 3rd time, and much worse. On the bright side, the acting was great compared to all of the other Star Wars films outside of the first one (minus Hamill). Pacing was also a lot better than the 1-3 and 5-7. But overall, it's just another over-budgeted sub-par formulaic blockbuster. People complained about this one having a girl as the lead, who the fuck cares? No one cared about Annie in Episode 1-3, who was undoubtedly a little bitch.

Episode 8, was better crafted than 7, while it still had its contrivances, they weren't nearly as blatant or painful as Episode 7. The cast was more engaging than the first film. In my opinion, while not very good, probably the best Star Wars film in the mainline since Starwars 77, except I much preferred the far grittier, more detailed, and visceral Rogue One. I think my main complaint for Episode 8 was that it was cartoony, but every single mainline Starwars film from Return of the Jedi onward was cartoony. Other than that, it's well paced, well acted, and the plotting is a lot better than the last film.

I'm going to rank and score all of the Starwars films I've seen, it's based on my opinion, and it's relative, so the fact my top film on the list gets a 10 doesn't mean I think it's a perfect 10 film in the context of ALL films, just in the context of this franchise:

1. Star Wars Rogue One - 10/10

2. Star Wars 77/Episode 4 (though, this is a redaction, so I prefer calling it 77) - 8/10

3. Star Wars Episode 8 - 6/10

4. Star Wars Episode 7 - 3/10

5. Empire Strikes Back - 2/10

6. Return of the Jedi - 2/10

7. Episode 1-3 (I don't care which order because a pile of shit is a pile of shit). all of them are less than 1/10

And my opinion on whether or not Episode 7-9 should be canon? I think it's irrelevant whether they're canon or not, but mostly because I don't give a shit. From an objective business standpoint, decanonizing them would be retarded. 

Decanonization would basically confission that they are very bad. They would also need to give back the money to everyone that watched it.



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DonFerrari said:

Decanonization would basically confission that they are very bad. They would also need to give back the money to everyone that watched it.

They wouldn't owe anyone anything, it would just be rebranded.

  • Lucasfilm is preparing to render the sequel trilogy null and void, removed from canon and isolated into an alternate timeline, under the label of Star Wars Legends


padib said:
DonFerrari said:

Decanonization would basically confission that they are very bad. They would also need to give back the money to everyone that watched it.

They wouldn't owe anyone anything, it would just be rebranded.

  • Lucasfilm is preparing to render the sequel trilogy null and void, removed from canon and isolated into an alternate timeline, under the label of Star Wars Legends

For what reason? Because they know it is trash.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
padib said:

They wouldn't owe anyone anything, it would just be rebranded.

  • Lucasfilm is preparing to render the sequel trilogy null and void, removed from canon and isolated into an alternate timeline, under the label of Star Wars Legends

For what reason? Because they know it is trash.

The decanonization isn't for the mass audience, it's for the fans who boycotted their last films and stopped buying their merchandise. So if Disney rebranded the sequels, they wouldn't owe anyone money, because those films would be under a different label and people would understand that they watched trash and would move on, ready for the better stuff Disney would surrender to offer.