So what you are saying is that better graphics which is the hallmark of a new generation is impressive but isn't that pretty much expected.  While the scenes do look good, there isn't anything new there.  Lets take another impressive game which is Metro Exodus which I was playing on the X1X before it left gamepass.  The game looks absolutely great but the loading times between starting up the game and deaths are atrocious.  While graphical looks do impress, a game with really good graphics that load in secs instead of a minute is something very tangle.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Phil said as consistent frame rates and loading times are very tangle things you feel immediately when playing a game.  As he stated it gives you better immersion in the game then sitting there with your controller in hand waiting for the game to load up like I was with Metro Exodus.  Immediately jumping straight into the game is definitely a next gen improvement over what we have been experiencing with these consoles for years.  As for as a graphical leap, those are also expected but those are things that will always come with better CPU/GPU and memory.

Yes, Phil is telling you to lower your expectation because even though Horizon looks better than its older brother, its not so much so much a leap between the PS2 and PS3 games.  Even looking at TLOU2 the graphical jump doesn't look that huge.

I'm not expecting a jump from ps2 to ps3 either but yes, a obvious leap in visual fidelity and scope is what I'm expecting. The HZD2 trailer didn't show a whole lot of clear gameplay, but just the fact that the world now seems to have a lot more variation/detail and a giant lake with an underwater city to explore is already something we didn't see in part 1.

Faster loading times will obviously be convenient but its not the main reason why Sony set a hard target for their 5GB throughput. Sony believes the SSD will be key to next gen as it allows not just faster loading, it allows for 2GB of assets to be streamed from the SSD in the time it takes to turn your in-game character (about 0,25 secs). That is why you will be able to jump in that lake in HZD2 and see underwater levels with that kind of detail without any loading screen, and how Ratchet & Clank pulled off those crazy dimensional jump scenes. Those were just glimpses of what to come, but I'm sure we will see a lot more before the ps5 launches.

We all have different expectations but to me, a complete shift in level/world design sounds pretty exciting and definitely something I would call a generational jump over current gen. Whereas 4k/60fps and faster loading is also cool, but not something that will truly feel like a generational leap imo.   

More nonsense, those that find 60fps appealing probably won’t even be able to tell the difference between it and 30. You just can’t help yourself but to spew nonsense to support your opinion lol.

Also Phil hasn’t been telling you not to expect a big graphics jump or to lower your expectations for next gen. Idk, I kind of think taking you at your word for what you post is not bad at all compared to you constantly taking quotes from Microsoft people and twisting their words and cherry picking lines out of context to suit the agenda you’ve been pushing for months.

Based on your past comments even if MS comes out with amazing stuff in July you’ll just be FUDing about how much better it would be if they weren’t designing games for potato PCs and porting up. No one has told you it’s wrong for you to be more excited about PS5 but you don’t need to spew nonsense to others about Xbox to convince us.

The XBox series X Event could be on 23rd July !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mws7NP49m3o

23rd of July - XBox First Party Games (Halo, other returning IP)

August - Playstation State of Play

Later in August - XBox for Lockhart Reveal.

The FPS comes down to the culture difference between our platforms. Sony likes their “third person single player story driven action adventure” games at 30fps because it works. Graphics can be pushed and it’s slow paced enough that it’s more then enough to experience properly. Xbox specializes in shooters, racers and multiplayer games. In that regard 60 FPS is a game changer. Now when MS starts to make more of their own 3rd person titles, I would hope we at least get the option, like Hellblade gave us.

I also remember playing Halo 5 at launch with sub 1080p and it was jarring. Since the 4K update I can’t imagine Halo being less now. Crisp picture at all times. Same goes for 60fps as opposed to 30. Just saying let’s try to empathize with each other because for us, 4K/60 is very much part of what makes Xbox games next gen. Also can’t blame Ms for targeting these benchmarks when they were ridiculed by gamers for not prioritizing resolutions at the start of the gen.

Otherwise it’s just silly to say Series X games won’t look next gen compared to Xbox One games. Flight Simulator, nuff said. Of course they will. And it’s wrong to see those A-AA games in the May event and hold them to the same standard as graphic powerhouses like The Coalition and Turn 10 for example.

We aren’t the casuals who make snap judgments at the first thing we see, were supposed to be above that and be a little more critical. That’s why we are here. MS made a mistake opening with smaller budget 3rd party games, and you know that. So maybe wait for their real show and not take as much advantage of their one misstep this year. 

Well, Phil did say it may be depressing to some, and maybe I'm just one of them. Phil talks like a used car salesman but with melting that 4th wall he's still saying higher res, better load times and input latency are what he feels will be the major differences between current- and last gen. He also mentions increased story telling which at least is something to get a bit excited about. 

The problem is that you have to practically analyze whatever Phil is saying to get something positive out of it in regards to pushing next gen boundaries. That is why I seem to upset some people who think I'm intentionally twisting words and have some kind of agenda. Truth is that he's either being brutally honest and he's a terrible sales person OR... he's being as political correct as possible because he knows their cross platform strategy puts Series X is a difficult spot to really flex those next gen muscles. 

Sony is doing the exact opposite and is constantly telling us how their SSD is God's gift to mankind that will revolutionize gaming as we know it. Now maybe they are overselling it and I should temper my expectations. But I would rather have them over-hyping things with crazy footage from games that never even get released or 6 years later, than getting less and less excited whenever I read a Phil Spencer interview. 

MS totally got me when they announced a 12Tflops console, and I still think those specs are insane. But after that all we've been hearing is things like; no next gen exclusives, them not wanting to be in a platform war with Sony, Smart Delivery, Optimized for Series X logo's, a 4Tflops Lockhart and how framerates/resolution are going to be biggest differences between current and next gen. Its almost as if they're trying to sell us a Xbox One X 2.0 instead of a next gen console that typically allows for completely new experiences, not possible on current gen.

Sigh....among other things said, if I were to say PS5 is little more then a PS4 Pro 2.0 given all we know, CGIs mailbox would have a dozen report notifications within the hour lol. 

If you base your purchase on AAA games, then you have a PS4 and will buy a PS5. Because third party games will be on both and first party games Sony have been beating MS since 7th gen.

Horizon 2 isn't an expansion, it is a full game. And Miles Morales if is as promissed akin to Lost Legacy then its duration is greater than several AAA games and production values/graphics are of AAA.

I have to agree with CGI on this one for scorn.  The Trailer looks great but there is a gameplay video on Youtube and the game doesn't look as impressive as the trailer.  It still looks good but not on that next level type hype train.

Flight simulator will be much better on PC though, flight stick and keyboard or VR to operate the instrument panels. 60fps is also not needed for flight sims, SSD and lots of ram are though. I had fsx running at target 18 fps so it could keep up loading/generating in detail while flying. Actually it depends how you run it, it will have the option to either pre-download detailed real world data for the region you want to fly in which taxes (and fills) the SSD, or add in procedural detail on top of coarser real world data which taxes the CPU and RAM. Hence I would prefer a streaming option so you'll always have up to date real world data at the best detail level.

Btw I don't think fps comes down to culture difference, that's just nonsense. Shooters, racers and multiplayer are played just as much on Sony consoles. GT Sport is still much bigger than Forza while Forza Horizon runs at 30 fps... Plus Sony is the one that invested in VR which has runs everything at minimum 60 fps.

Remember that when ps3 and 360 launched, 1080p was supposed to be the new target. That became 720p to sub 720p throughout the gen, so no wonder people were expecting 1080p to be standard this gen. 4K has only begun with the pro consoles, or rather only with the XBox One X. Native 4K as a standard next gen is premature and likely skewed by NA being ahead in 4K adoption rates

Never mind the size/distance ratio making native 4K overkill for most of the population.

Then there's the fact that 1080p to 4K upscaling is a simple doubling while 720p to 1080p up-scaling leaves plenty artifacts, 1.5x every pixel. Scaling 1440p down to 1080p (the way most people still play their games) has very good results, while scaling 1440p up to 4K also works much better than 720p to 1080p, more data to work with, higher dpi, better results.

There's your difference for the complaints at the start of the gen for not hitting 1080p.

I actually went down in screen size in the jump to 4K HDR. I played the 360/ps3 and first couple years this gen on a 1080p projector with 92" screen. I haven't bothered upgrading to a 4K projector since they're just not very good at HDR or contrast in general, unless maybe you're willing to spend 60K or more on a high end laser projector. So now I'm down to 65" but with 4 times the pixels and yummy HDR visuals, high contrast and true blacks. So yep, sub 1080p was pretty jarring on a 92" screen. Sub 4K on a 65", can't tell the difference.

Anyway, native 4K for next gen is a waste of GPU resources imo. Perhaps I'll think differently when I have a 100" tv (and a divorce) yet for now I'm happy with 65" of greatness. VR will provide to true big screen with far better immersion. Screen size does matter when it comes to racing. I am faster and more consistent on the projector and faster and more consistent again with PSVR despite the woeful resolution. It's amazing how much your peripheral vision helps, alas a 100" tv is not practical nor affordable.