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goopy20 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

That wasn’t even gameplay. So who knows what we will actually see. But apparently you’re ok with the same mechanics we already have just more detailed graphics. Not sure why you’ve spent months worrying about Xbox then.

You’re entitled to the opinion that graphics are more important than frame rate. But present it as nothing more than your opinion, no need to spew nonsense about how “no one cares about 60fps” or “Phil Spencer thinks graphics aren’t improving”. 

You're taking everything I say way too literally. When I say nobody cares about 60fps then no, I don't mean there isn't a single person on the planet who doesn't care about it. All I'm saying is that developers stopped aiming for 60fps a long time ago as it turns out visual fidelity is more important for selling a game. Nobody Hardly anyone is going to base their purchase decisions by checking to see if a game is 60fps, they look at how well its made, how it plays and by the time they finished the game they probably won't even know if its 30- or 60fps. The only games were 60fps does become a selling point are online shooters, fighting and racing games.

Also, when I'm quoting Phil Spencer saying "The Xbox Series X will mainly use its expanded horsepower to improve load times and frame rates." Then no, I don't literally mean there won't be any visual upgrades at all. But you tell me what he's referring to when he says "And that might sound depressing to some"?

My point is that Phil is telling us to lower our expectations for next gen as the jump in visuals might not be as pronounced as before in the last console transition. While Sony is telling us the exact opposite and are talking about one of the biggest jumps in gaming history. Of course we need to see a lot more to determine who is right, but is it really so wrong for me to be more excited about what Sony's been saying (and showing) than to listen to Phil and lower my expectations?

I don't hate Xbox or come here to shit on it, I'm just excited about next gen. I expect both companies to sell it to me and blow me away. And not let me second guess if there's going to be a significant leap at all. Like I said, if they now completely blow me away in July, I'll take everything I've been raving about for months back and I'll be a happy man. But if so, then they sure have done a shitty job at promoting their next gen console leading up to the event.  

The FPS comes down to the culture difference between our platforms. Sony likes their “third person single player story driven action adventure” games at 30fps because it works. Graphics can be pushed and it’s slow paced enough that it’s more then enough to experience properly. Xbox specializes in shooters, racers and multiplayer games. In that regard 60 FPS is a game changer. Now when MS starts to make more of their own 3rd person titles, I would hope we at least get the option, like Hellblade gave us.

I also remember playing Halo 5 at launch with sub 1080p and it was jarring. Since the 4K update I can’t imagine Halo being less now. Crisp picture at all times. Same goes for 60fps as opposed to 30. Just saying let’s try to empathize with each other because for us, 4K/60 is very much part of what makes Xbox games next gen. Also can’t blame Ms for targeting these benchmarks when they were ridiculed by gamers for not prioritizing resolutions at the start of the gen.

Otherwise it’s just silly to say Series X games won’t look next gen compared to Xbox One games. Flight Simulator, nuff said. Of course they will. And it’s wrong to see those A-AA games in the May event and hold them to the same standard as graphic powerhouses like The Coalition and Turn 10 for example.

We aren’t the casuals who make snap judgments at the first thing we see, were supposed to be above that and be a little more critical. That’s why we are here. MS made a mistake opening with smaller budget 3rd party games, and you know that. So maybe wait for their real show and not take as much advantage of their one misstep this year. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.