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DonFerrari said:
kirby007 said:

Why would i speak for the guy he originally quoted? " just live with the fact that saying "it isn't vastly superior" doesn't equal "equal" or whatever you guys had in your mind that got you riled up to pile up on him

So you want to defend him without knowing what he ment? And for you how superior is it? Because i have seem you provoking a lot of people and challenging them for more precision, names, data, source, etc, but at the same time you just try to avoid doing it yourself. Basically only looking to steer problem.

even if he means it the way you guys percieve it doesn't mean there are other ways to view it... thats all i wanted to add here.



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kirby007 said:
DonFerrari said:

So you want to defend him without knowing what he ment? And for you how superior is it? Because i have seem you provoking a lot of people and challenging them for more precision, names, data, source, etc, but at the same time you just try to avoid doing it yourself. Basically only looking to steer problem.

even if he means it the way you guys percieve it doesn't mean there are other ways to view it... thats all i wanted to add here.

Ok. Problem is for a good communication when someone interpose the "it is vastly superior" with "it isn't", if someone would recognize as superior but not by the same margin he would likely include more information, when kept shortly like that the most likely probability is that he doesn't think the library is superior at all. And we know that there are several people that think that, some for personal taste (totally valid) and some really believes that as market reality (which would be wrong looking from reception, sales, customer rating, etc).

But if you just wanted to say that someone may say something and not mean it even if you don't know what he meant ok then.



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DonFerrari said:
kirby007 said:

even if he means it the way you guys percieve it doesn't mean there are other ways to view it... thats all i wanted to add here.

Ok. Problem is for a good communication when someone interpose the "it is vastly superior" with "it isn't", if someone would recognize as superior but not by the same margin he would likely include more information, when kept shortly like that the most likely probability is that he doesn't think the library is superior at all. And we know that there are several people that think that, some for personal taste (totally valid) and some really believes that as market reality (which would be wrong looking from reception, sales, customer rating, etc).

But if you just wanted to say that someone may say something and not mean it even if you don't know what he meant ok then.



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kirby007 said:
Runa216 said:

Wait, is this an onion article? I ask because that's like, one of the most universally agreed upon realities. the Ps4's lineup is vastly superior to the XBox One's in literally every way. Reception, sales, variety, etc. you can argue backwards compatibility and power and multimedia aspects all you want, but if you're honestly arguing that the console lineups were similar, you deserve all the laughs you're going to get. 

this post is a prime example of the oversensitivity these days, if one doesn't agree he overblows it the other way... saying it wasn't vastly superior doesn't equal or means it was equal in any way shape or form

What are you even talking about here? The PS4's lineup was vastly superior. It had more variety, better quality, and much higher sales. It decimated the Xbox One's exclusive lineup in every conceivable way. that's not bias, that's reality. IT's not bias to state facts and go where the data goes. Again, like others have said, you're welcome to prefer the Xbox's lineup or personally think they're similar, but by all available objective metrics the PS4 absolutely dominated this generation, especially in terms of exclusives. 



DDonFerrari said:
Runa216 said:

Wait, is this an onion article? I ask because that's like, one of the most universally agreed upon realities. the Ps4's lineup is vastly superior to the XBox One's in literally every way. Reception, sales, variety, etc. you can argue backwards compatibility and power and multimedia aspects all you want, but if you're honestly arguing that the console lineups were similar, you deserve all the laughs you're going to get. 

At most one can say he prefer the Xbox exclusives or that doesn't like PS exclusives. I truly believe sales2099 is a case like this and another one that prefers Xbox, LudicrousSpeed, does because of UI, Live and controllers while not liking most exclusives on both systems.

But yes trying to say on objectively, market wise, that Xbox have a superior library is pretty wrong imho.

Did you actually read read what I wrote.  Nowhere did I say the X1 has a superior library.  All I said that the PS4 doesn't have a vastly superior libary over the X1.  Also its not like I didn't give Sony any credit since clearly mentioned that both the PS1and PS2 actually had vastly superior software lineups.



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Runa216 said:
kirby007 said:

this post is a prime example of the oversensitivity these days, if one doesn't agree he overblows it the other way... saying it wasn't vastly superior doesn't equal or means it was equal in any way shape or form

What are you even talking about here? The PS4's lineup was vastly superior. It had more variety, better quality, and much higher sales. It decimated the Xbox One's exclusive lineup in every conceivable way. that's not bias, that's reality. IT's not bias to state facts and go where the data goes. Again, like others have said, you're welcome to prefer the Xbox's lineup or personally think they're similar, but by all available objective metrics the PS4 absolutely dominated this generation, especially in terms of exclusives. 

now this migh come across as a provoke as donwii mentioned but you are using faulty logic because :
-Having Goty awards doesn't make a game good
-singleplayer adventures with a different setting isn't real diversity
-having high sales doesn't make a game good

hours spend on excusives is a good one altho kinda unfair because the xbox exclusives are way superior on that front



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Chris Hu said:
DDonFerrari said:

At most one can say he prefer the Xbox exclusives or that doesn't like PS exclusives. I truly believe sales2099 is a case like this and another one that prefers Xbox, LudicrousSpeed, does because of UI, Live and controllers while not liking most exclusives on both systems.

But yes trying to say on objectively, market wise, that Xbox have a superior library is pretty wrong imho.

Did you actually read read what I wrote.  Nowhere did I say the X1 has a superior library.  All I said that the PS4 doesn't have a vastly superior libary over the X1.  Also its not like I didn't give Sony any credit since clearly mentioned that both the PS1and PS2 actually had vastly superior software lineups.

that's exactly what I read and exactly what I responded to. you said the Ps4 didn't have a vastly superior library and it did. by all objective and most subjective metrics, they were in completely different ballparks. It wasn't even a small difference, it was a massive, ocean-width difference. 

I read what you wrote and I replied accordingly. the PS4 DOES have a VASTLY superior exclusive library to the Xbox One. 



Runa216 said:
Chris Hu said:

Did you actually read read what I wrote.  Nowhere did I say the X1 has a superior library.  All I said that the PS4 doesn't have a vastly superior libary over the X1.  Also its not like I didn't give Sony any credit since clearly mentioned that both the PS1and PS2 actually had vastly superior software lineups.

that's exactly what I read and exactly what I responded to. you said the Ps4 didn't have a vastly superior library and it did. by all objective and most subjective metrics, they were in completely different ballparks. It wasn't even a small difference, it was a massive, ocean-width difference. 

I read what you wrote and I replied accordingly. the PS4 DOES have a VASTLY superior exclusive library to the Xbox One. 

if one has your taste, yes
typing in caps doesn't make it true for others



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Runa216 said:
Chris Hu said:

Did you actually read read what I wrote.  Nowhere did I say the X1 has a superior library.  All I said that the PS4 doesn't have a vastly superior libary over the X1.  Also its not like I didn't give Sony any credit since clearly mentioned that both the PS1and PS2 actually had vastly superior software lineups.

that's exactly what I read and exactly what I responded to. you said the Ps4 didn't have a vastly superior library and it did. by all objective and most subjective metrics, they were in completely different ballparks. It wasn't even a small difference, it was a massive, ocean-width difference. 

I read what you wrote and I replied accordingly. the PS4 DOES have a VASTLY superior exclusive library to the Xbox One. 

He wasn’t asking if you read what he wrote, he was asking the person who clearly didn’t read what he wrote. Also it’s in no way factual that the PS4 exclusive lineup blew Xbones away and was vastly superior. How do opinions work?



PAOerfulone said:
Chris Hu said:
The notion that the PS4 has a vastly superior software lineup over the X1 is utter BS. The PS1 and PS2 did have vastly superior software lineups over their competing systems. When it comes to 3rd party games the PS1 and PS2 was the clear winner. When it comes to 1st party games the PS2 was the clear winner and the PS1 gets a slight edge over the N64.

Where on the Xbox One can I get Persona, Spider-Man, Uncharted, God of War, Last of Us, Gran Turismo, Ghosts of Tsushima, Ratchet and Clank, Horizon, MLB the Show, Bloodborne, inFamous, Detroit, Dragon Quest, and FFVII Remake just to name a few?

And it’s not just quantity. Most, if not all, of those games I just listed were Game of Year contenders when they released. So it’s quality ON TOP of quantity.

All of that vs. Halo, Forza, and Gears? Quantum Break if you feel generous. 

It’s not a notion, it’s a fact. The PS4’s library IS vastly superior. 

Gran Turismo Sport isn't even a true mainline GT game its not really better then FM5 and worse then FM6 and FM7 so I wouldn't have brought up that game.  MLB the Show isn't any better and far less popular then any FIFA or NBA2K game I wouldn't have brought up that game either.  All the other games you mentioned aren't vastly better to similar first or third party games available on the X1.  So yeah I stand by what I have said the PS4 doesn't have a vastly superior software library.  Also as already mentioned in another reply its not like I didn't give Sony any credit since I clearly stated that both the PS1 and PS2 had vastly superior software lineups.