TLOU 2 has about as much thematic depth as BvS. It has pretensions of being some intellectual think piece but has as much depth as a puddle. Have you never seen or read anything on the cycle of revenge before, this version isn't even well done it's so basic and has nothing of note to add.

I think it was mainly because of Nintendo fans after he gave Breath of the Wild a 7/10. He then gave scoreless reviews for a while now mostly give them as random score at the end as a joke.

Just think of games that tell a story in a way that only a video game could or is improved because it is a videogame. The issue with so many videogame stories is ludonarrative dissonance. TLOU 2 has a big issue where it's trying to say revenge and killing is bad while also having you slaughter hundreds of people throughout the game.

Nier Automata

But that's ND's thing. You really think the organisations, people or even Nathan drake himself would not be affected by the mindless slaughter of over 3000 people he kills in the games? :P By Uncharted 4, Nadine is getting it. It's just not worth it. Gameplay and Story are always basically a separate thing in Uncharted. TLoU actually made it less so, as you needed to get past the clickers and were being hunted by cannibals.

The issue I have with many people in this argument about this game is that TLoU was a game about f***ed up humans and their ways after a mass apocalyptic thing, and by the sounds of it TLoU2 is no different. The story, even if it's bad, is actually on point if that's the case. 

But it still doesn't give examples of actually good stories in video games. It's hard as you have to do the ludonarrative dissonance in some games for it to work. Yet we have games like Witcher or Horizon where it's gameplay works with the story because of the way the narrative is told. 

Undertale? I mean... I'm aware that in the grand scheme of things the story itself it's nothing that can compare to the great icons of the movie industry. However, because its a videogame and the story and characters react and evolve because of your actions during gameplay, this "simple" plot gets a lot more meaningful and emotional than any movie or book could convey. Basically because it becomes personal.

Exactly. And I was happy that Jim so clearly spoke about it. Videogames are a different art medium as movies. Same as movies are different than books. Instead of trying to copy another medium of art in a new one, people should focus on exploring the strengths of the particular medium they use. Jim Sterling showed Undertale, Journey and Celeste as he spoke about different ways the medium should express itself as an art form.

Sorry, the video was about comparisons of TLOU2 to Schindler's List. And Jim Sterling explained why this comparison falls flat.

Yeah, I think you get the core of what I think too. I want to add that Jim Sterling showed clips from Undertale, Journey and Celeste in the background as he spoke about alternative ways games can transpire story. And I think these are also good examples. None of these games try to be movies, but they use things exclusive to games to tell their story. Quite artfully too.

Ha, didn't help I was listening to it while at work instead of watching. :P

Undertale is seemingly a good option, it seems that the great stories of video games are told in the games that truely developer their stories through gameplay, it's how the medium is meant to be after all.