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DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

Nobody in this thread said any of that. You're creating a strawmen. The actual argument is, that video games and movies are different genres with differing strengths and weaknesses.

Yes.... and the jabs at TLOU for trying to copy movies that are also used on several games with heavy narrative focus.

I actually understood the video hinting that the game is good. Just not comparable to Schindler's List.

he didn't jab against TLOU2, he did though jab against Studio bosses that try to spin media narratives around their games and show testiness once people don't buy that narrative, while at the same time said studio bosses exploit their employees for money. So not a jab against the game, but a jab against really bad practices in the industry.



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Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes.... and the jabs at TLOU for trying to copy movies that are also used on several games with heavy narrative focus.

I actually understood the video hinting that the game is good. Just not comparable to Schindler's List.

he didn't jab against TLOU2, he did though jab against Studio bosses that try to spin media narratives around their games and show testiness once people don't buy that narrative, while at the same time said studio bosses exploit their employees for money. So not a jab against the game, but a jab against really bad practices in the industry.

Wasn`t talking about Jim, see that I said that a lot of hate for cinematic and heavy storydriven narratives exist in VGC.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

I actually understood the video hinting that the game is good. Just not comparable to Schindler's List.

he didn't jab against TLOU2, he did though jab against Studio bosses that try to spin media narratives around their games and show testiness once people don't buy that narrative, while at the same time said studio bosses exploit their employees for money. So not a jab against the game, but a jab against really bad practices in the industry.

Wasn`t talking about Jim, see that I said that a lot of hate for cinematic and heavy storydriven narratives exist in VGC.

Possibly. But did that actually transpire in this thread?



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Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

Wasn`t talking about Jim, see that I said that a lot of hate for cinematic and heavy storydriven narratives exist in VGC.

Possibly. But did that actually transpire in this thread?

We had couple jabs against TLOU trying to be a movie.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Good 'ole Jim, great video.



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DonFerrari said:

I love how much hate cinematic and heavy story telling gets on vgc.

"it isn't videogame"

"the focus should be gameplay"

"photorealism is bad"

I think this is very much a sign of the times. The idea of Cinematic gameplay was a very Gen 7 thing. Heavy set piece, story driven games with Uncharted being onf of the biggest and The Last of Us being a swan song to the gen, games with only 5-6 hour campaigns. The gameplays were usually quite generic and the stories not much different but they had their place. For all it's dislike and rather generic story, I liked Detroit: Become Human as it looked great and the way it was played and how you could form a story was well done, it really is just a 'cinematic' game.

Of course we as a community also hate Battle Royales and they are the bread winners at the moment, games with literally zero story, so what do we know?



Hmm, pie.

If there were ever to be a "Citizen Kane of video games" it would probably be a 2D game or something... Something that's not trying to look like a movie.

It would probably be Animal Crossing or something like that lol.



The Fury said:
DonFerrari said:

I love how much hate cinematic and heavy story telling gets on vgc.

"it isn't videogame"

"the focus should be gameplay"

"photorealism is bad"

I think this is very much a sign of the times. The idea of Cinematic gameplay was a very Gen 7 thing. Heavy set piece, story driven games with Uncharted being onf of the biggest and The Last of Us being a swan song to the gen, games with only 5-6 hour campaigns. The gameplays were usually quite generic and the stories not much different but they had their place. For all it's dislike and rather generic story, I liked Detroit: Become Human as it looked great and the way it was played and how you could form a story was well done, it really is just a 'cinematic' game.

Of course we as a community also hate Battle Royales and they are the bread winners at the moment, games with literally zero story, so what do we know?

No Uncharted or TLOU was a 6h or under game. The closest we had to that previous gen were CoD, because the focus was the multiplayer.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

No Uncharted or TLOU was a 6h or under game. The closest we had to that previous gen were CoD, because the focus was the multiplayer.

True, a little exaggeration. Of course there was Vanquish. :P



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
DonFerrari said:

No Uncharted or TLOU was a 6h or under game. The closest we had to that previous gen were CoD, because the focus was the multiplayer.

True, a little exaggeration. Of course there was Vanquish. :P

Don`t remember playing it, but yes a general complain last gen was really that to many games were to short and with few replaying value. Although for UC I played each 3 times on PS3 and 2 on PS4.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."