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The Fury said:
His video, while on form with his usual stuff raised a question for me.

What is considered a good video game story? Instead of moaning that video game stories are crap compared to some films, what are good stand out stories in games that show what a game can produce, so that story in games can be compared to other games. For every great movie story, there are 50 books that are better. For every pun filled super-hero film, there are 15 graphic novels that outshine them. You can't compare different mediums stories against each other as how they are told and portrayed are so different.

Video game medium is still hung up on the idea it's entertainment media has to be compared to that of films because films are still more popular as an entertainment media even if games make more money.

It depends on the series and genre. 

To quote Jim 'there is no perfect pasta sauce, only perfect pasta sauces'. 

Any series can have good and bad stories. It depends on what they come up with, and some series are not consistent with it (I'm a Pokemon fan who likes the stories of Gen 5 and Sun and Moon, but thinks Gen 6 and 8 have bad stories). Of course there is a reason Nintendo doesn't normally advertise itself on story...



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

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LudicrousSpeed said:
Good video. It was a laughably stupid comparison and deserved the trolling and mockery it received. Schindler’s List came out almost 30 years ago IIRC and is still talked about and still holds up. LoU2 will be forgotten in a year or so, if not sooner.

The worst part is the way the press gushes over narrative type games because they badly want their medium to be held in the same light as movies or television. When in reality if LoU2 is the cream of the crop when it comes to gaming narratives, it’s not even as good John Wick let alone Shindlers List.

I would say TLOU2 and similar are very good narrative games (like RDR2), but since they are made to be blockbusters the type and level of story would also be similar to blockbuster in movies (so your John Wick is appropriate comparison), perhaps some indies and A tier or lower could have the narrative level of a deep movie since it wouldn't need the mass sales, but then it would possibly lack on visuals, at least with the newer tools it is possible to be made pretty enough. Future is exciting.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Jim has uploaded his impressions on the game. And I have the feeling some people are gonna get mad at him:



Vodacixi said:

Jim has uploaded his impressions on the game. And I have the feeling some people are gonna get mad at him:

(video)

I think the main problem of The Last of Us Part II is that the story and gameplay parts contradict each other. Does anyone know a splatter movie that is thought-provoking? Of course not. It doesn't gel when you go back and forth between glorification of violence and trying to make the point that violence is bad. That holds even more true for a game where the gameplay portions have to bridge the gaps between story sequences because the constant exposure to violence grows the audience emotionally numb to the point where you can't convincingly make points about morals anymore.

The Last of Us Part II steers towards a conclusion where really nothing that happened in the game has much of a point. This stands in contrast to its predecessor where the end had something that mattered. It's not surprising that Part II gets relegated to the term 'torture-porn' because that's the only thing its story is really good at, provided that is something that someone is looking for.

The most entertaining part of Sterling's video was when he called the gameplay 'fun' because he knows that that's pissing off the people at Naughty Dog.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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Vodacixi said:

Jim has uploaded his impressions on the game. And I have the feeling some people are gonna get mad at him:

Yeah, that just doesn't sound good to me.

He said the game's at it's best when it's ramping up the horror with the zombie bits. IMO the first game was the same. The zombie sections were the best bits. Doesn't sound like there are too many of them in this one though.

Plus he says the story is a bit of a mess with flashbacks/flashforwards regularly occuring. I absolutely loathe flashbacks. They're just annoying. I think FF games are the only games with flashbacks that I actually like and even then I hate the flashback sections. Like FF7, you get out of Midgar the game's opening up and you're able to buy a load of new materia but then BAM flashback. Wanna find out what happens next? Wanna try out your new stuff? Too bad cuz you can't do any of that. FF8 had it bad too. I actually like the character of Laguna, but it was just a pain in the butt to be cut away from the main story for awhile with pretty much no explanation why.



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Vodacixi said:

Jim has uploaded his impressions on the game. And I have the feeling some people are gonna get mad at him:

I wonder if he's going to be called a bigot by the people calling everyone who has issues with the game a bigot on here. 

But seriously I agree with most of what he's saying here and he brings up a lot of good points. although he still has an arrogant attitude that i find grating in a lot of his videos.  



Ka-pi96 said:
Vodacixi said:

Jim has uploaded his impressions on the game. And I have the feeling some people are gonna get mad at him:

Yeah, that just doesn't sound good to me.

He said the game's at it's best when it's ramping up the horror with the zombie bits. IMO the first game was the same. The zombie sections were the best bits. Doesn't sound like there are too many of them in this one though.

Plus he says the story is a bit of a mess with flashbacks/flashforwards regularly occuring. I absolutely loathe flashbacks. They're just annoying. I think FF games are the only games with flashbacks that I actually like and even then I hate the flashback sections. Like FF7, you get out of Midgar the game's opening up and you're able to buy a load of new materia but then BAM flashback. Wanna find out what happens next? Wanna try out your new stuff? Too bad cuz you can't do any of that. FF8 had it bad too. I actually like the character of Laguna, but it was just a pain in the butt to be cut away from the main story for awhile with pretty much no explanation why.

I am about 10h into the game so almost half and had only one single flashback (that is pretty obvious a flashback) that took like 20 min, and no flash forward so far.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Decent thoughts and expected of it. You could tell before the game came out and the tone of the first that this was going to be the sequels direction. I'm glad he bought up the comparison to Spec Ops in there too.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
Decent thoughts and expected of it. You could tell before the game came out and the tone of the first that this was going to be the sequels direction. I'm glad he bought up the comparison to Spec Ops in there too.

In order to avoid spoilers, I'm not going to watch Jim's video, but Spec Ops: The Line was one of the games I was thinking of when people were talking about good stories in games. It didn't have the production value of TLOU, but it was able to really leverage the gameplay and the fact that you were murdering scores of people in the story in a way which accounted for ludonarrative dissonance.

I think the actual story of that game was more memorable than just about any story beat in TLOU.



pikashoe said:
Vodacixi said:

Jim has uploaded his impressions on the game. And I have the feeling some people are gonna get mad at him:

I wonder if he's going to be called a bigot by the people calling everyone who has issues with the game a bigot on here. 

But seriously I agree with most of what he's saying here and he brings up a lot of good points. although he still has an arrogant attitude that i find grating in a lot of his videos.  

He didn't say anything about how Naughty Dog ruined the game with a woke agenda so I assume not. 



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