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How do you rate TLOU2 story

1 8 17.02%
 
2 1 2.13%
 
3 4 8.51%
 
4 3 6.38%
 
5 4 8.51%
 
6 5 10.64%
 
7 3 6.38%
 
8 4 8.51%
 
9 6 12.77%
 
10 9 19.15%
 
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iron_megalith said:
DonFerrari said:

Don't you think it is even stranger that you seem to only consider the yt, reviewer and streamers that align with your opinion as being right with everything else lacking credibility?

If only majority weren't dismissive about the flaws and didn't use the bigot card so hard on people criticizing them for the perfect score.

I've seen people give it fair views. Someone just posted Jim Sterling's review which was pretty fair.

Maybe because the flaws aren't as big as some people make it out to be. If a game is enjoyable and is entertaining then it shouldn't matter. I could point in glaring plot holes in my favourite games and movies but as long as it doesn't distract then all is kosher.



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iron_megalith said:
DonFerrari said:

Don't you think it is even stranger that you seem to only consider the yt, reviewer and streamers that align with your opinion as being right with everything else lacking credibility?

If only majority weren't dismissive about the flaws and didn't use the bigot card so hard on people criticizing them for the perfect score.

I've seen people give it fair reviews. Someone just posted Jim Sterling's review which was pretty fair. He talked about the positives of the game and at the same time talked about the flaws.

I think some people on both sides are being a bit unfair towards each other. Its fun to discuss the game, but insulting people for liking or disliking it just takes away from the conversation and it ends up becoming a competition instead. I think ND tried something different and you know, it is what it is.



iron_megalith said:
DonFerrari said:

Don't you think it is even stranger that you seem to only consider the yt, reviewer and streamers that align with your opinion as being right with everything else lacking credibility?

If only majority weren't dismissive about the flaws and didn't use the bigot card, bots or whatever so hard on people criticizing them for the perfect score.

I've seen people give it fair reviews. Someone just posted Jim Sterling's review which approched the thing objectively. He talked about the positives of the game and at the same time talked about the flaws.

So again, everyone that likes the game or think it is the best game of the gen is wrong and isn`t credible, the only credible ones are the ones that are giving jabs at the game, gotcha. Thanks for confirming.



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hinch said:
iron_megalith said:

If only majority weren't dismissive about the flaws and didn't use the bigot card so hard on people criticizing them for the perfect score.

I've seen people give it fair views. Someone just posted Jim Sterling's review which was pretty fair.

Maybe because the flaws aren't as big as some people make it out to be. If a game is enjoyable and is entertaining then it shouldn't matter. I could point in glaring plot holes in my favourite games and movies but as long as it doesn't distract then all is kosher.

Not according to a lot of people. And then there's this disconnect again that we've seen in with the likes of Joker, TLJ etc where there are lot of generalizing going on from both sides.

But it does make me curious how reviewers really approach this and why is there such a huge disparity between players and critics. They shat on The Joker so hard parotting things that the film gives power to incel terrorists yet the majority of the people were able to connect with the character. With this game, a lot of people are having a really hard time with approaching Abby, yet a lot of the critics didn't seem to get this problem or have never even mentioned it. It's like those group of people forgot that a lot of the fans were attached with Joel and Ellie.

Seriously, If I hadn't seen any leaks of this game I personally would have felt that the whole game has been taken as a hostage from me. You want the ending? You play a lot of Abby. Thank you for your $60 sir.

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Well, as with any medium, its all subjective.

Its a well put together game and got high critic reviews because of it. Most major gaming reviewers have liked it and have not let issues get in the way of their enjoyment. If you didn't well that's fine as well, sell the game and move on lol Wish I could do the same thing at the Cinema at some of the shit movies I've seen.

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I felt sorry for Abby near the end,would have been nice if that feeling came sooner.
And i ended up disliking Ellie a bit.



Chapter select is an annoying mess with a two minute load time and no consistant save file so my streak of platinuming Sony's heavy hitters ends here. Shame.



 

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hinch said:

Well, as with any medium, its all subjective.

Its a well put together game and got high critic reviews because of it. Most major gaming reviewers have liked it and have not let issues get in the way of their enjoyment. If you didn't well that's fine as well, sell the game and move on lol Wish I could do the same thing at the Cinema at some of the shit movies I've seen.

The reason I brought up Pewds earlier is because he was one of the big streamers that never indulged in any spoilers and is known to be a fan of the first game. So it was interesting to see him go in blind through the whole thing.

You can't really fault fans to place some sort of expectations on the sequel and hold it to a specific standard. Before the leaks came to be, fans were expecting this to be continuation of Joel and Ellie's story. But that's not what really happened and you are forced to play a character that you are not invested in.

That's the reason why I think this would have been much better if Abby had her own game first to ease in this story. Kinda like Lost Legacy. It is its own thing that's within the same universe which can connect to Joel and Ellie's story.

At this point, it kinda comes off as distasteful play of fan's expectations and just leveraging on Joel and Ellie as a character in order to introduce Abby's story.

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iron_megalith said:

hinch said:

Well, as with any medium, its all subjective.

Its a well put together game and got high critic reviews because of it. Most major gaming reviewers have liked it and have not let issues get in the way of their enjoyment. If you didn't well that's fine as well, sell the game and move on lol Wish I could do the same thing at the Cinema at some of the shit movies I've seen.

The reason I brought up Pewds earlier is because he was one of the big streamers that never indulged in any spoilers and is known to be a fan of the first game. So it was interesting to see him go in blind through the whole thing.

You can't really fault fans to place some sort of expectations on the sequel and hold it to a specific standard. Before the leaks came to be, fans were expecting this to be continuation of Joel and Ellie's story. But that's not what really happened and you are forced to play a character that you are not invested in.

That's the reason why I think this would have been much better if Abby had her own game first to ease in this story. Kinda like Lost Legacy. It is its own thing that's within the same universe which can connect to Joel and Ellie's story.gc

I can understand the dislike for people who were fans of the first game. But if you go by the trailers we knew the basis on what the story was about. It was revenge. We get to play as Ellie for around 2/3rds of a game clocking at around 20 hours. And a side story that intertwines from the first game that is the basis of this game. It wouldn't make sense to sideline this as its integral to the story.

I guess we all had different expectations. I actually liked playing as Abbey/Lev duo a lot more as it made the game more fresh. And I really liked playing as Joel and Ellie in the first game. Playing another character didn't have an impact on my personal opinion of the game. Each to their own I guess.



iron_megalith said:
hinch said:

Maybe because the flaws aren't as big as some people make it out to be. If a game is enjoyable and is entertaining then it shouldn't matter. I could point in glaring plot holes in my favourite games and movies but as long as it doesn't distract then all is kosher.

Not according to a lot of people. And then there's this disconnect again that we've seen in with the likes of Joker, TLJ etc where there are lot of generalizing going on from both sides.

But it does make me curious how reviewers really approach this and why is there such a huge disparity between players and critics. They shat on The Joker so hard parotting things that the film gives power to incel terrorists yet the majority of the people were able to connect with the character. With this game, a lot of people are having a really hard time with approaching Abby, yet a lot of the critics didn't seem to get this problem or have never even mentioned it. It's like those group of people forgot that a lot of the fans were attached with Joel and Ellie.

Seriously, If I hadn't seen any leaks of this game I personally would have felt that the whole game has been taken as a hostage from me. You want the ending? You play a lot of Abby. Thank you for your $60 sir.

I`ll just say that people that couldn`t understand Abby killing Joel and because of that hated playing as her just lack imagination. You played the whole first game, you know that Joel have killed a lot of people, you have Ellie saying that is useless to speculate who could have killed him (group) as he have crossed to many people and groups. And it ended up being the most obvious group that wanted revenge.

My qualm with Abby isn`t she taking revenge on Joel but being dumb to let Ellie, Tommy and co alive to also revenge on her and the total lack of planning capability (she just wanted to invade Jackson and see how things would play out). But playing with her was better than with Ellie most of time, even more for people that hated the love bird talk between Ellie and Dina.

John2290 said:

Chapter select is an annoying mess with a two minute load time and no consistant save file so my streak of platinuming Sony's heavy hitters ends here. Shame.

Man you must have not seem the tip I gave you.

To platinum you`ll need almost 2 gamethroughs because to max both Ellie and Abby and weapons you need to finish Ellie side and then a little on Abby to have all the parts and pills. Also you need to keep a manual save file from the finished game so you can load any chapter you wish (you have to first load the manual ending and then chose the chapter, or you could go backwards on chapter select so you don`t block any chapter). But I agree it was very badly done.

They should have kept the Uncharted way, all collectibles are always show for you on your in game menu and the quantity per chapter (not day) available on main menu. Much easier to track things down. Luckly I got 90% of collectibles on the first play, so on the second one I`m using guide to pick all of Ellies on the mandatory part and then after I get Abby maxed I`ll look what I`m missing and then hand pick chapter (or just finish second play).



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