The reason I brought up Pewds earlier is because he was one of the big streamers that never indulged in any spoilers and is known to be a fan of the first game. So it was interesting to see him go in blind through the whole thing.

You can't really fault fans to place some sort of expectations on the sequel and hold it to a specific standard. Before the leaks came to be, fans were expecting this to be continuation of Joel and Ellie's story. But that's not what really happened and you are forced to play a character that you are not invested in.

That's the reason why I think this would have been much better if Abby had her own game first to ease in this story. Kinda like Lost Legacy. It is its own thing that's within the same universe which can connect to Joel and Ellie's story.gc

Not according to a lot of people. And then there's this disconnect again that we've seen in with the likes of Joker, TLJ etc where there are lot of generalizing going on from both sides.

But it does make me curious how reviewers really approach this and why is there such a huge disparity between players and critics. They shat on The Joker so hard parotting things that the film gives power to incel terrorists yet the majority of the people were able to connect with the character. With this game, a lot of people are having a really hard time with approaching Abby, yet a lot of the critics didn't seem to get this problem or have never even mentioned it. It's like those group of people forgot that a lot of the fans were attached with Joel and Ellie.

Seriously, If I hadn't seen any leaks of this game I personally would have felt that the whole game has been taken as a hostage from me. You want the ending? You play a lot of Abby. Thank you for your $60 sir.

Chapter select is an annoying mess with a two minute load time and no consistant save file so my streak of platinuming Sony's heavy hitters ends here. Shame.

I can understand the dislike for people who were fans of the first game. But if you go by the trailers we knew the basis on what the story was about. It was revenge. We get to play as Ellie for around 2/3rds of a game clocking at around 20 hours. And a side story that intertwines from the first game that is the basis of this game. It wouldn't make sense to sideline this as its integral to the story.

I guess we all had different expectations. I actually liked playing as Abbey/Lev duo a lot more as it made the game more fresh. And I really liked playing as Joel and Ellie in the first game. Playing another character didn't have an impact on my personal opinion of the game. Each to their own I guess.

Aside from having no consitant save file so all collectibles are on the map again in chapter selct, It's just annoying that you have to choose chapter select, hit all these options load for two minutes get your shit done, load manuel save rinse and repeat and yeah. I forgot about maxing all the player upgrades so I wouldn't have done it anyway. Eh, at least this way, if they release a directors cut I'll have a reason to play it and with the backlash, I have to assume they will release the cut in a patch. They know what's up. 

So again, everyone that likes the game or think it is the best game of the gen is wrong and isn`t credible, the only credible ones are the ones that are giving jabs at the game, gotcha. Thanks for confirming.

I`ll just say that people that couldn`t understand Abby killing Joel and because of that hated playing as her just lack imagination. You played the whole first game, you know that Joel have killed a lot of people, you have Ellie saying that is useless to speculate who could have killed him (group) as he have crossed to many people and groups. And it ended up being the most obvious group that wanted revenge.

My qualm with Abby isn`t she taking revenge on Joel but being dumb to let Ellie, Tommy and co alive to also revenge on her and the total lack of planning capability (she just wanted to invade Jackson and see how things would play out). But playing with her was better than with Ellie most of time, even more for people that hated the love bird talk between Ellie and Dina.

Man you must have not seem the tip I gave you.

To platinum you`ll need almost 2 gamethroughs because to max both Ellie and Abby and weapons you need to finish Ellie side and then a little on Abby to have all the parts and pills. Also you need to keep a manual save file from the finished game so you can load any chapter you wish (you have to first load the manual ending and then chose the chapter, or you could go backwards on chapter select so you don`t block any chapter). But I agree it was very badly done.

They should have kept the Uncharted way, all collectibles are always show for you on your in game menu and the quantity per chapter (not day) available on main menu. Much easier to track things down. Luckly I got 90% of collectibles on the first play, so on the second one I`m using guide to pick all of Ellies on the mandatory part and then after I get Abby maxed I`ll look what I`m missing and then hand pick chapter (or just finish second play).

You can twist it like that. But for a game that's been showered with 10/10s and 9/10s it better be a masterpiece or close to one. Clearly it isn't according to the huge divide. There are things that are fundamentally broken in this game.

And also are you saying Jim Sterling's review wasn't a fair one?

Just look around. Those who disliked Joel's death weren't against Joel getting killed. It maked sense for him to die. His whole character is drenched in sin. The outrage lies on several underlying reasons. Mainly it has something to do with the writing and the execution. I don't want to repost the whole argument I had with another poster here.

Several masterpieces divide opinions, I would even say that the most well know will have a huge divise between people. And on the critics there is not that much division, so that is probably why you are piking specific cases where people are very vocal against the game.

I dunno if Jim's review is fair, but I will give him the benefit of doubt. Still you didn't bother with the 90 or so positive reviews did you?

There really wasn't a flaw on it except nitpicking on how it was conducted, motive was there, means where there. Abby lucked out to meet him on a position that allowed her to find him. Could ND have dragged that for 5h until she found him? Yes, but that wouldn't really change much, just would please people that need everything detailed but possibly would displease people that wouldn't want the game going for 40+ h per play.

I'm tired of debating this thing. If people are really fine with the contrived story telling in this game, then more power to them. But it seems to me that people are taking my criticism of this game as me telling to stop enjoying the thing. You be you. My point still stands. We were forced to accept the changes on some characters without having anything to show how and why it changed from TLOU1.

And if you are going to ask me why I think the credibility of the reviewers are shot, it's simply that a lot of them seem to have failed to reflect what a lot of people are complaining about. I get that these people have their own opinions, but do understand that they are not just a random reviewer. These people are paid to do this thing and are used as a metric for marketing. Whatever they publish here can affect purchasing decisions of the consumer. If they failed to resonate with what people may have issues with then what is the point of having them considered as "top critic"? They're writing for a different audience that would potentially be on the minority.

I'm tired of debating this thing. If people are really fine with the contrived story telling in this game, then more power to them. However if you are going to be make an argument that the writing in this story is on par with TLOU1, you need to approach it objectively and say why it is so.

But it seems to me that people are taking my criticism of this game as me telling to stop enjoying the thing. You be you. My point still stands. We were forced to accept the changes on some characters without having anything to show how and why it changed from where TLOU1 left off.

And if you are going to ask me why I think the credibility of the reviewers are shot, it's simply that a lot of them seem to have failed to reflect what a lot of people are complaining about. I get that these people have their own opinions, but do understand that they are not just a random reviewer. These people are paid to do this thing and are used as a metric for marketing the game. Whatever they publish here can affect purchasing decisions of the consumer. If they failed to resonate with what the people(fans) may have issues with about this game then what is the point of having them considered as "top critic"? They're writing for a different audience that would potentially be on the minority.

Like I said, if I didn't read the spoilers, I wouldn't know I will be playing Abby for a long period of time. Given the circumstance of what has happened, the whole game is taken as a hostage. To a lot of people, it can be a drag.