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Who do you think will win the 2020 election

Trump 34 45.95%
 
Biden 40 54.05%
 
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sundin13 on 19 June 2020
EnricoPallazzo said:
Dulfite said:

I watched almost all the debates, at least in part. It was mostly a "whose got the bigger stick" fight between Warren and Sanders and the same kind of fight between the moderates while Biden remained pretty quiet. It wasn't until it was just him and Sanders where he got enough air time to say things, and even then that was a short period and wasn't in front of a live audience. If Biden goes one on one with Trump in front of a live crowd, it's going to be a massacre I think.

As far as slips goes, he makes WAAAY more than any other politician I've studied and I've been pretty obsessed with politics (any party, even minor ones and international like UK, Canadian, German, Australian in particular) for many years now. I taught for 4 years prior to this school year and I too made slips, but not like this guy. Saying this legitimate viewpoint is simply a fabrication for a political party you may not agree with doesn't help create an atmosphere for a rational discussion, by the way. I would not say "This whole Trump being a narcissist is a Biden creation. It isn't true," to you because I believe in respecting viewpoints. You can disagree with a viewpoint without describing it like it's a conspiracy theory and thereby alienating said viewpoint's holders from a quality discussion.

And I don't believe Biden will hold any kind of responsible attitude. He lit into his fellow democrats on live stage with anger and quite a bit of rudeness for far less accusations being thrown his way than he will get from Trump. If he got that angry with likeminded people in front of millions watching, how angry will he get with Trump who isn't likeminded at all and will say far more insulting things? Biden himself said he'd like to take Trump into a locker room to beat him up. The debates are going to be FILLED with insults from both of them.

And you may be right, Trump may get voted out. Historically speaking it is unlikely due to patterns and movements dating back to the early 1900's, but maybe that pattern will end (or at least have an outlier this year). 

For me, personally, I don't think I'll ever have "my kind of candidate" win again. I prefer a little government Republican like Mike Huckabee in 2007-2008 (or what George W. Bush was supposed to be) that leaves most decisions up to the states, but those kind of Republicans can't win national elections. The only ones that can I think win national elections now are these more populist Republicans like Trump. I personally hope Nikkie Haley is the republican nominee in 2024, that's a person I could vote for (at least for now).

You have a nice point here, mentioning that only populist republicans can win from now on. It seems to be the behavior in several parts of the world. The left went so to the far left of the spectrum that it opened the way to conservatives to also look for more and more radical candidates. The world is getting weird. Center left and center right voters are not being properly represented.

I find this criticism of the left strange when every Democratic presidential candidate for decades has been fairly centrist (Very much including Biden), to the extent that the progressive wing of the party has gotten thoroughly tired of it. Center left candidates (or even just straight up Moderates) are the foundation of the US' Democratic party at a federal level. I would agree with you that certain branches of the Republican party are dying out (primarily fiscal conservatives), but the same just isn't true for the Democratic party, as much as some Democrats would like it to be...



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newwil7l on 19 June 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

US seems to be extremely democratic for me, there is usually a balance between Republicans and Democrats in power, you even had a black president for 8 years. Definitely way ahead of so many countries in Latin America for example that call them democracies.

Unless the result is not the one you wish for.

Dood... you yourself literally just said "Take Texas for example, why would you waste your time going to vote if you know the democrats will not win".

You acknowledge that some people don't bother voting because they know their vote is literally worthless. There is no difference whatsoever between them not voting and them voting (for either party). Yet you also claim the US is "extremely democratic"? Clearly not...

The electoral college is definitely flawed and ultimately makes many states worthless in the election. Thing is those things aren't statitic and demographics change rapidly making certain states battlegrounds with time. Take Arizona for example which was solidly red for years, but is now a very purple battleground state that Trump and Biden will fight tooth and nail to win over. 



Dulfite on 19 June 2020
thismeintiel said:
I think Trump will. The Corona virus hurt the good economy we had going, but things are opening up now, so we'll slowly but surely recover. And the riots have hurt the Dems because people are seeing their weak response to cities being burned down and even taken over. Then you have Biden, a very poor candidate. He's obviously slipping mentally, something that will be displayed even more when he gets riled up in the debates with Trump. And I'm sure Super Pacs are going to be running ads with him sniffing and touching little girls. Not a good look

And one of the most damaging parts about the riots is the that they are taking place in liberally controlled cities (NY City, LA, Chicago, Minneapolis) being done by liberals, and are hurting/looting mostly minority owned places (which generally vote liberal) like gas stations and small businesses in those cities. Literally they are attacking one another while Republicans in the suburbs are going on about life as normal mostly.



Dulfite on 19 June 2020
EnricoPallazzo said:
Dulfite said:

I watched almost all the debates, at least in part. It was mostly a "whose got the bigger stick" fight between Warren and Sanders and the same kind of fight between the moderates while Biden remained pretty quiet. It wasn't until it was just him and Sanders where he got enough air time to say things, and even then that was a short period and wasn't in front of a live audience. If Biden goes one on one with Trump in front of a live crowd, it's going to be a massacre I think.

As far as slips goes, he makes WAAAY more than any other politician I've studied and I've been pretty obsessed with politics (any party, even minor ones and international like UK, Canadian, German, Australian in particular) for many years now. I taught for 4 years prior to this school year and I too made slips, but not like this guy. Saying this legitimate viewpoint is simply a fabrication for a political party you may not agree with doesn't help create an atmosphere for a rational discussion, by the way. I would not say "This whole Trump being a narcissist is a Biden creation. It isn't true," to you because I believe in respecting viewpoints. You can disagree with a viewpoint without describing it like it's a conspiracy theory and thereby alienating said viewpoint's holders from a quality discussion.

And I don't believe Biden will hold any kind of responsible attitude. He lit into his fellow democrats on live stage with anger and quite a bit of rudeness for far less accusations being thrown his way than he will get from Trump. If he got that angry with likeminded people in front of millions watching, how angry will he get with Trump who isn't likeminded at all and will say far more insulting things? Biden himself said he'd like to take Trump into a locker room to beat him up. The debates are going to be FILLED with insults from both of them.

And you may be right, Trump may get voted out. Historically speaking it is unlikely due to patterns and movements dating back to the early 1900's, but maybe that pattern will end (or at least have an outlier this year). 

For me, personally, I don't think I'll ever have "my kind of candidate" win again. I prefer a little government Republican like Mike Huckabee in 2007-2008 (or what George W. Bush was supposed to be) that leaves most decisions up to the states, but those kind of Republicans can't win national elections. The only ones that can I think win national elections now are these more populist Republicans like Trump. I personally hope Nikkie Haley is the republican nominee in 2024, that's a person I could vote for (at least for now).

You have a nice point here, mentioning that only populist republicans can win from now on. It seems to be the behavior in several parts of the world. The left went so to the far left of the spectrum that it opened the way to conservatives to also look for more and more radical candidates. The world is getting weird. Center left and center right voters are not being properly represented.

I miss democrats from the 90's and republicans from the early 2000's :(



gergroy on 19 June 2020
Dulfite said:
gergroy said:

Biden was in dozens of debates during the primary and he did just fine.  He isn’t a great debater, but he holds his own.  He really isn’t any worse at verbal slips then he was 40 years ago, he has always had slips when speaking publicly.  Which is not a weird thing.  Happens to lots of people.  Happens to me all the time as a teacher talking to my class.  This whole Biden being senile or having dementia is a trump creation.  It isn’t true.  

The debates are gonna be trump up there throwing out conspiracy theories and basically being a douche and Biden trying to be the adult in the room.  Trumps base will love the insults and believe every word... because they want to.  That’s the problem with partisanship, the more partisan you get the more close minded you get. 

I think there are enough people tired of trumps act they vote him out this year.   I guess we will see though.

As far as slips goes, he makes WAAAY more than any other politician I've studied and I've been pretty obsessed with politics (any party, even minor ones and international like UK, Canadian, German, Australian in particular) for many years now. I taught for 4 years prior to this school year and I too made slips, but not like this guy. Saying this legitimate viewpoint is simply a fabrication for a political party you may not agree with doesn't help create an atmosphere for a rational discussion, by the way. I would not say "This whole Trump being a narcissist is a Biden creation. It isn't true," to you because I believe in respecting viewpoints. You can disagree with a viewpoint without describing it like it's a conspiracy theory and thereby alienating said viewpoint's holders from a quality discussion.

Dude, are you a doctor now?  Have you examined Biden with all your many qualifications and diagnosed him?  No?  So this viewpoint is legitimate how?  The armchair diagnosing of candidates health is not something anybody should really be sharing or discussing.  His doctor has cleared him of any mental issues.  Let’s leave those issues to the actual professionals that know what they are talking about.  Anybody can create a video of clips of any public figure documenting all their slips and make it look far worse than what it is.  Especially a politician with as many years of public service as Biden has.  Do you know who is creating and spreading most of those clips right now?  The trump campaign and it’s supporters. 

Also, for the record, I’m certainly not a democrat.  I tend to be center right in my political views and vote mostly republican.



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Snoopy on 19 June 2020

Woah, the polls are almost 50-50 and VGchartz tend to aim towards the young demographics.



gergroy on 19 June 2020
Snoopy said:
Woah, the polls are almost 50-50 and VGchartz tend to aim towards the young demographics.

That’s because you are asking who you think will win, not who they want to win, and young people tend to be more pessimistic when it comes to politics.



sundin13 on 19 June 2020
gergroy said:
Snoopy said:
Woah, the polls are almost 50-50 and VGchartz tend to aim towards the young demographics.

That’s because you are asking who you think will win, not who they want to win, and young people tend to be more pessimistic when it comes to politics.

Polls overall have pretty consistently given Biden a substantial lead in who people will vote for, despite giving Trump a slight lead in who people expect to win. Not surprised we are seeing the same thing here.



Dulfite on 19 June 2020
gergroy said:
Dulfite said:

As far as slips goes, he makes WAAAY more than any other politician I've studied and I've been pretty obsessed with politics (any party, even minor ones and international like UK, Canadian, German, Australian in particular) for many years now. I taught for 4 years prior to this school year and I too made slips, but not like this guy. Saying this legitimate viewpoint is simply a fabrication for a political party you may not agree with doesn't help create an atmosphere for a rational discussion, by the way. I would not say "This whole Trump being a narcissist is a Biden creation. It isn't true," to you because I believe in respecting viewpoints. You can disagree with a viewpoint without describing it like it's a conspiracy theory and thereby alienating said viewpoint's holders from a quality discussion.

Dude, are you a doctor now?  Have you examined Biden with all your many qualifications and diagnosed him?  No?  So this viewpoint is legitimate how?  The armchair diagnosing of candidates health is not something anybody should really be sharing or discussing.  His doctor has cleared him of any mental issues.  Let’s leave those issues to the actual professionals that know what they are talking about.  Anybody can create a video of clips of any public figure documenting all their slips and make it look far worse than what it is.  Especially a politician with as many years of public service as Biden has.  Do you know who is creating and spreading most of those clips right now?  The trump campaign and it’s supporters. 

Also, for the record, I’m certainly not a democrat.  I tend to be center right in my political views and vote mostly republican.

I didn't suggest you were a democrat or any party for that matter.

I agree I'm not qualified to diagnose someone, but I am qualified to choose to not vote for someone who I don't believe is mentally "there" enough to handle the football and all the other stresses of the job. I'm also not ignorant of the fact that officials can be bribed to say whatever the briber wants. I don't think Trump was as healthy as a horse as his doctor suggested, for example. Anyone can lie, doctors included, if enough cash is wired to an offshore account or if someone is politically motivated.

By the way, I don't really watch short clips, I enjoy seeing the context before and after, so I'm not being manipulated by alt right groups or whatever. I enjoy watching things like speeches and debates, not just a 30 second clip.



Dulfite on 19 June 2020
Snoopy said:
Woah, the polls are almost 50-50 and VGchartz tend to aim towards the young demographics.

The actual polls have a hard time getting the viewpoints of non educated white guys, and those are the ones that showed up in droves to vote for Trump in the Rust belt states. So maybe enough people on this site are aware that there is a silent group out there not being represented in the polls just like 2016 and they are curbing their expections.