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Who do you think will win the 2020 election

Trump 34 45.95%
 
Biden 40 54.05%
 
Total:74

One thing people don't consider (I stole this from Joe Rogan, btw) is who the president will bring in with him. For example, Trump is pro life so he'll likely appoint Supreme Court judges who are pro life. Biden isn't a criminal so his staff will likely be people who aren't criminals.



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EnricoPallazzo said:
The discussion about electoral college vs popular vote is very interesting, but misleading.
Take Texas for example, why would you waste your time going to vote if you know the democrats will not win. The same in California if you are republican.
In the end a lot of people just dont go voting because you already know the outcome, therefore the popular vote analysis is always distorted.

All we can hope is that one day they'll elect someone who brings democracy to the country.



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vivster said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
The discussion about electoral college vs popular vote is very interesting, but misleading.
Take Texas for example, why would you waste your time going to vote if you know the democrats will not win. The same in California if you are republican.
In the end a lot of people just dont go voting because you already know the outcome, therefore the popular vote analysis is always distorted.

All we can hope is that one day they'll elect someone who brings democracy to the country.

US seems to be extremely democratic for me, there is usually a balance between Republicans and Democrats in power, you even had a black president for 8 years. Definitely way ahead of so many countries in Latin America for example that call them democracies.

Unless the result is not the one you wish for.



d21lewis said:
I'm voting for Biden but Trump is going to win. Partly because Democrats aren't going to show up. Partly because the left is way too extreme at times. People want things to be better but fear radical change. As batshit insane as it's been during Trump's years as president, his fanbase is comfortable. At times, a little too comfortable...

Just curious, what is your opinion on the fact that out of a few really good options, the democrats choose a guy that is a white male, a politician for decades and most of all, seems to be senile? It seems to me a terrible choice, a debate of him vs trump will be a massacre. Personally I believe Tulsi and the Asian guy were very interesting options with real good chances of moving the masses against trump.



I don't know if I have a say in this as a Finnish person, but I think Trump will, unfortunately, win as Biden isn't radical enough to win him.



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It might be my military brat upbringing, but I like to think my fellow Americans aren't complete idiots. This and the polling which is pretty drastically in Biden's favor makes me hopeful that Biden will win.



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Voted for Biden because ,please.



Trump I think will take it.

I don't think people care that he failed to build the wall and get mexico to pay for it.
I don't think people care that he has allowed hundreds of thousands to die with a mishandling of a pandemic.
I don't think people care that he has constantly lied, shifted blame and talked himself up at every single possible opportunity.
I don't think people care that he has failed to eliminate the federal debt within 8 years.
I don't think people care he has pushed the USA into another recession. (Granted a byproduct of COVID)
I don't think people care that he has allowed for the current rioting situation to unfold to the extent it has, USA a peaceful nation it is not.
He failed to block the AT&T Time Warner Merger which he promised.
He failed to release his tax returns after an Audit like he promised.
He has not enacted term limits on members of congress like he promised.

His crass, uneducated statements from start to finish for his entire term has been extremely entertaining, entertainment you just can't buy... And I really personally don't wish for that train to stop just yet...

And despite all that, he still has a very strong support base, which seems to be highly baffling. - Either people don't track his broken promises/commitments or they just don't actually care... Or his opponent (Who I know little about) is just not putting up a good counter-showing?



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EnricoPallazzo said:
vivster said:

All we can hope is that one day they'll elect someone who brings democracy to the country.

US seems to be extremely democratic for me, there is usually a balance between Republicans and Democrats in power, you even had a black president for 8 years. Definitely way ahead of so many countries in Latin America for example that call them democracies.

Unless the result is not the one you wish for.

I guess if your benchmark for democracy is the most corrupted countries in the world and what skin color a president can have the US really does look good in comparison.

However if we look at their own massive corruption, broken judicial system, voter suppression, a significant amount of anti democratic politicians and the simple fact that certain votes do not count it's actually really far at the bottom. Though in my opinion the US should not even be legally allowed to call itself a democracy. Democracy is just a little more than people having the right to vote and the US cannot even climb that low bar.



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Pemalite said:
Trump I think will take it.

I don't think people care that he failed to build the wall and get mexico to pay for it.
I don't think people care that he has allowed hundreds of thousands to die with a mishandling of a pandemic.
I don't think people care that he has constantly lied, shifted blame and talked himself up at every single possible opportunity.
I don't think people care that he has failed to eliminate the federal debt within 8 years.
I don't think people care he has pushed the USA into another recession. (Granted a byproduct of COVID)
I don't think people care that he has allowed for the current rioting situation to unfold to the extent it has, USA a peaceful nation it is not.
He failed to block the AT&T Time Warner Merger which he promised.
He failed to release his tax returns after an Audit like he promised.
He has not enacted term limits on members of congress like he promised.

His crass, uneducated statements from start to finish for his entire term has been extremely entertaining, entertainment you just can't buy... And I really personally don't wish for that train to stop just yet...

And despite all that, he still has a very strong support base, which seems to be highly baffling. - Either people don't track his broken promises/commitments or they just don't actually care... Or his opponent (Who I know little about) is just not putting up a good counter-showing?

Im not american, but I believe a lot of his support based on what I read from them (I love hearing both sides, something unusual nowadays) is a subproduct of the left going waaaaaaay to the left? This is a crazy world where right wing parties became representative of the working class while the left was taken by very extreme people focusing in other stuff?

Based on my experience with the political climate in Brazil (Im from there), UK (where I live) and USA (its on the news the whole day) it seems to me the left went so far to the extreme that center and center left people found themselves without a voice, and prefer right wing parties no matter how matter what they say because at least they know things will not change much.

It seems to me the debate is not progressive vs conservative anymore, but socialist revolutionaries vs conservatives. It just seem to me the left is so focused on their twitter world and their fake news agencies that they got disconnected from the real world.

And this allowed Trump and Bolsonaro to get to power. By the way believe me Bolsonaro is much worse. Boris Johnson is far from a political I would be proud of, but again, he won due to a huge disconnect between what you see in the media and internet echo chambers to people's reality.