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Who do you think will win the 2020 election

Trump 34 45.95%
 
Biden 40 54.05%
 
Total:74

It’s gonna be Trump. Aside from major democratic states like New York and California (where the majority of anti Trump media comes from), a lot of states are still very much Rep. territory. Trump isn’t a likeable person, but he did improve the economy. End of day regular people care more about stable work rather then hating someone they will never meet in person.

By comparison Biden just strikes me as someone just pandering to whoever he can, sometimes incoherently due to his advanced age. He isn’t interesting to watch. 

I do wonder how voter turn out will impact things. To my knowledge only a fraction of the country actually votes. 



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vivster said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

US seems to be extremely democratic for me, there is usually a balance between Republicans and Democrats in power, you even had a black president for 8 years. Definitely way ahead of so many countries in Latin America for example that call them democracies.

Unless the result is not the one you wish for.

I guess if your benchmark for democracy is the most corrupted countries in the world and what skin color a president can have the US really does look good in comparison.

However if we look at their own massive corruption, broken judicial system, voter suppression, a significant amount of anti democratic politicians and the simple fact that certain votes do not count it's actually really far at the bottom. Though in my opinion the US should not even be legally allowed to call itself a democracy. Democracy is just a little more than people having the right to vote and the US cannot even climb that low bar.

You are basically expecting a perfect world, which doesnt exist anywhere. Even nordic countries have all those problems you mentioned above, yet they do not fail to be democracies. 

The beauty of a democracy is this, you can change it with your vote, your protest, something that we will never find in capitalist or socialist dictatorships.



The debates will change everything. Democrats have intelligently kept Biden in the basement away from any hostile press for months now. But the debates will be a gaffe fest like nothing we've seen before, I feel. If this was Biden from 15 years ago it would be one thing, but the man clearly has been going downhill with mental health issues. I'm truly shocked Democrats haven't replaced him with another moderate that is healthier.

By the way I'm saying this seriously. I would HATE to see my family member embarrass himself on a national stage. I would be curious about it! Let the poor man retire for crying out loud. He's lost so much!

If Biden is at the debates, then I think Trump will win electoral college again because of the Rust belt. It's going to be insane. Trump has his own physical issues and is clearly an egomaniac, but that's nothing compared to someone not remembering who they are, what they are running for, who the President is, and other things that have been clearly caught on video.



Dulfite said:
The debates will change everything. Democrats have intelligently kept Biden in the basement away from any hostile press for months now. But the debates will be a gaffe fest like nothing we've seen before, I feel. If this was Biden from 15 years ago it would be one thing, but the man clearly has been going downhill with mental health issues. I'm truly shocked Democrats haven't replaced him with another moderate that is healthier.

By the way I'm saying this seriously. I would HATE to see my family member embarrass himself on a national stage. I would be curious about it! Let the poor man retire for crying out loud. He's lost so much!

If Biden is at the debates, then I think Trump will win electoral college again because of the Rust belt. It's going to be insane. Trump has his own physical issues and is clearly an egomaniac, but that's nothing compared to someone not remembering who they are, what they are running for, who the President is, and other things that have been clearly caught on video.

Not mentioning loves sniffing kids, has a sexual scandal being ignored by media since he is a democrat and has family involved in the Ucrania scandal.

Really, I dont get it. Sometimes I think it was more a move to get Sanders out of the game or fears of delivering the party to a marxist.



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Or something like that is a saying in the redneck states. So it’s not likely Trump is coming anywhere near winning in the next election. It’ll be a landslide victory for Biden simply based on the fact that he isn’t Trump. An inanimate carbon rod would win over Trump at this point.

Not even Americans are stupid enough to elect an impotent raving fool like Trump again. Even the idiot “Bernie or Bust” people aren’t trying as hard to fool the country into electing republicans again.



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Neither of them. The ones laughing behind the scenes are the true winners. God Bless America!



EnricoPallazzo said:
d21lewis said:
I'm voting for Biden but Trump is going to win. Partly because Democrats aren't going to show up. Partly because the left is way too extreme at times. People want things to be better but fear radical change. As batshit insane as it's been during Trump's years as president, his fanbase is comfortable. At times, a little too comfortable...

Just curious, what is your opinion on the fact that out of a few really good options, the democrats choose a guy that is a white male, a politician for decades and most of all, seems to be senile? It seems to me a terrible choice, a debate of him vs trump will be a massacre. Personally I believe Tulsi and the Asian guy were very interesting options with real good chances of moving the masses against trump.

The same reason people chose Biden is the same reason people chose Hilary and Trump as their nominee. It's no longer about who is the best person for the job or even who makes the best impression. It's about who can win the vote. A popularity contest. Regardless of which candidate was better for the job, Joe Biden was the one who was going to be chosen because of his association with Obama. I personally don't care about the race, gender, etc. 

Biden would have beaten Trump last election. I think Hilary would have won if not for the last second email scandal. Biden could win this time but he keeps fucking up. I look forward to the debates but it feels like a no win situation.



EnricoPallazzo said:
vivster said:

I guess if your benchmark for democracy is the most corrupted countries in the world and what skin color a president can have the US really does look good in comparison.

However if we look at their own massive corruption, broken judicial system, voter suppression, a significant amount of anti democratic politicians and the simple fact that certain votes do not count it's actually really far at the bottom. Though in my opinion the US should not even be legally allowed to call itself a democracy. Democracy is just a little more than people having the right to vote and the US cannot even climb that low bar.

You are basically expecting a perfect world, which doesnt exist anywhere. Even nordic countries have all those problems you mentioned above, yet they do not fail to be democracies. 

The beauty of a democracy is this, you can change it with your vote, your protest, something that we will never find in capitalist or socialist dictatorships.

False equivilancy seems to be the US citizen's favorite tool in deflecting criticism.

A good democracy is already lived in some European states. Let's take Germany since that's where I'm from. It has none of the issues I mentioned, or at least not as systemic or widespread. There are no anti democratic policies in our system and every vote actually counts. It's not perfect, but it's about 90% of what could be called a perfect democracy, while the US is somewhere around 10%, which is why I find it extremely insulting when the US is called a democracy, let alone a good one. I wanted to list all the terrible things but that would be way too long for people to actually read it. I know it probably looks fine when you live there and don't know anything about proper democracies. Let me just tell you that certain policies in the US system are downright insane and antithetical to what is considered a real democracy.

You say the beauty of democracy is the ability to change. Well, the system in the US is specifically designed to suppress change, which is why nothing does and there is only very little hope that it ever will. So yeah, not really a democracy.



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Dulfite said:
The debates will change everything. Democrats have intelligently kept Biden in the basement away from any hostile press for months now. But the debates will be a gaffe fest like nothing we've seen before, I feel. If this was Biden from 15 years ago it would be one thing, but the man clearly has been going downhill with mental health issues. I'm truly shocked Democrats haven't replaced him with another moderate that is healthier.

By the way I'm saying this seriously. I would HATE to see my family member embarrass himself on a national stage. I would be curious about it! Let the poor man retire for crying out loud. He's lost so much!

If Biden is at the debates, then I think Trump will win electoral college again because of the Rust belt. It's going to be insane. Trump has his own physical issues and is clearly an egomaniac, but that's nothing compared to someone not remembering who they are, what they are running for, who the President is, and other things that have been clearly caught on video.

Biden was in dozens of debates during the primary and he did just fine.  He isn’t a great debater, but he holds his own.  He really isn’t any worse at verbal slips then he was 40 years ago, he has always had slips when speaking publicly.  Which is not a weird thing.  Happens to lots of people.  Happens to me all the time as a teacher talking to my class.  This whole Biden being senile or having dementia is a trump creation.  It isn’t true.  

The debates are gonna be trump up there throwing out conspiracy theories and basically being a douche and Biden trying to be the adult in the room.  Trumps base will love the insults and believe every word... because they want to.  That’s the problem with partisanship, the more partisan you get the more close minded you get. 

I think there are enough people tired of trumps act they vote him out this year.   I guess we will see though.



vivster said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

You are basically expecting a perfect world, which doesnt exist anywhere. Even nordic countries have all those problems you mentioned above, yet they do not fail to be democracies. 

The beauty of a democracy is this, you can change it with your vote, your protest, something that we will never find in capitalist or socialist dictatorships.

False equivilancy seems to be the US citizen's favorite tool in deflecting criticism.

A good democracy is already lived in some European states. Let's take Germany since that's where I'm from. It has none of the issues I mentioned, or at least not as systemic or widespread. There are no anti democratic policies in our system and every vote actually counts. It's not perfect, but it's about 90% of what could be called a perfect democracy, while the US is somewhere around 10%, which is why I find it extremely insulting when the US is called a democracy, let alone a good one. I wanted to list all the terrible things but that would be way too long for people to actually read it. I know it probably looks fine when you live there and don't know anything about proper democracies. Let me just tell you that certain policies in the US system are downright insane and antithetical to what is considered a real democracy.

You say the beauty of democracy is the ability to change. Well, the system in the US is specifically designed to suppress change, which is why nothing does and there is only very little hope that it ever will. So yeah, not really a democracy.

10%? Really? Alright then.