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Who do you think will win the 2020 election

Trump 34 45.95%
 
Biden 40 54.05%
 
Total:74

Voted for Biden because ,please.



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Trump I think will take it.

I don't think people care that he failed to build the wall and get mexico to pay for it.
I don't think people care that he has allowed hundreds of thousands to die with a mishandling of a pandemic.
I don't think people care that he has constantly lied, shifted blame and talked himself up at every single possible opportunity.
I don't think people care that he has failed to eliminate the federal debt within 8 years.
I don't think people care he has pushed the USA into another recession. (Granted a byproduct of COVID)
I don't think people care that he has allowed for the current rioting situation to unfold to the extent it has, USA a peaceful nation it is not.
He failed to block the AT&T Time Warner Merger which he promised.
He failed to release his tax returns after an Audit like he promised.
He has not enacted term limits on members of congress like he promised.

His crass, uneducated statements from start to finish for his entire term has been extremely entertaining, entertainment you just can't buy... And I really personally don't wish for that train to stop just yet...

And despite all that, he still has a very strong support base, which seems to be highly baffling. - Either people don't track his broken promises/commitments or they just don't actually care... Or his opponent (Who I know little about) is just not putting up a good counter-showing?



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EnricoPallazzo said:
vivster said:

All we can hope is that one day they'll elect someone who brings democracy to the country.

US seems to be extremely democratic for me, there is usually a balance between Republicans and Democrats in power, you even had a black president for 8 years. Definitely way ahead of so many countries in Latin America for example that call them democracies.

Unless the result is not the one you wish for.

I guess if your benchmark for democracy is the most corrupted countries in the world and what skin color a president can have the US really does look good in comparison.

However if we look at their own massive corruption, broken judicial system, voter suppression, a significant amount of anti democratic politicians and the simple fact that certain votes do not count it's actually really far at the bottom. Though in my opinion the US should not even be legally allowed to call itself a democracy. Democracy is just a little more than people having the right to vote and the US cannot even climb that low bar.



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Pemalite said:
Trump I think will take it.

I don't think people care that he failed to build the wall and get mexico to pay for it.
I don't think people care that he has allowed hundreds of thousands to die with a mishandling of a pandemic.
I don't think people care that he has constantly lied, shifted blame and talked himself up at every single possible opportunity.
I don't think people care that he has failed to eliminate the federal debt within 8 years.
I don't think people care he has pushed the USA into another recession. (Granted a byproduct of COVID)
I don't think people care that he has allowed for the current rioting situation to unfold to the extent it has, USA a peaceful nation it is not.
He failed to block the AT&T Time Warner Merger which he promised.
He failed to release his tax returns after an Audit like he promised.
He has not enacted term limits on members of congress like he promised.

His crass, uneducated statements from start to finish for his entire term has been extremely entertaining, entertainment you just can't buy... And I really personally don't wish for that train to stop just yet...

And despite all that, he still has a very strong support base, which seems to be highly baffling. - Either people don't track his broken promises/commitments or they just don't actually care... Or his opponent (Who I know little about) is just not putting up a good counter-showing?

Im not american, but I believe a lot of his support based on what I read from them (I love hearing both sides, something unusual nowadays) is a subproduct of the left going waaaaaaay to the left? This is a crazy world where right wing parties became representative of the working class while the left was taken by very extreme people focusing in other stuff?

Based on my experience with the political climate in Brazil (Im from there), UK (where I live) and USA (its on the news the whole day) it seems to me the left went so far to the extreme that center and center left people found themselves without a voice, and prefer right wing parties no matter how matter what they say because at least they know things will not change much.

It seems to me the debate is not progressive vs conservative anymore, but socialist revolutionaries vs conservatives. It just seem to me the left is so focused on their twitter world and their fake news agencies that they got disconnected from the real world.

And this allowed Trump and Bolsonaro to get to power. By the way believe me Bolsonaro is much worse. Boris Johnson is far from a political I would be proud of, but again, he won due to a huge disconnect between what you see in the media and internet echo chambers to people's reality.



EnricoPallazzo said:
vivster said:

All we can hope is that one day they'll elect someone who brings democracy to the country.

US seems to be extremely democratic for me, there is usually a balance between Republicans and Democrats in power, you even had a black president for 8 years. Definitely way ahead of so many countries in Latin America for example that call them democracies.

Unless the result is not the one you wish for.

Dood... you yourself literally just said "Take Texas for example, why would you waste your time going to vote if you know the democrats will not win".

You acknowledge that some people don't bother voting because they know their vote is literally worthless. There is no difference whatsoever between them not voting and them voting (for either party). Yet you also claim the US is "extremely democratic"? Clearly not...



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It’s gonna be Trump. Aside from major democratic states like New York and California (where the majority of anti Trump media comes from), a lot of states are still very much Rep. territory. Trump isn’t a likeable person, but he did improve the economy. End of day regular people care more about stable work rather then hating someone they will never meet in person.

By comparison Biden just strikes me as someone just pandering to whoever he can, sometimes incoherently due to his advanced age. He isn’t interesting to watch. 

I do wonder how voter turn out will impact things. To my knowledge only a fraction of the country actually votes. 



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vivster said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

US seems to be extremely democratic for me, there is usually a balance between Republicans and Democrats in power, you even had a black president for 8 years. Definitely way ahead of so many countries in Latin America for example that call them democracies.

Unless the result is not the one you wish for.

I guess if your benchmark for democracy is the most corrupted countries in the world and what skin color a president can have the US really does look good in comparison.

However if we look at their own massive corruption, broken judicial system, voter suppression, a significant amount of anti democratic politicians and the simple fact that certain votes do not count it's actually really far at the bottom. Though in my opinion the US should not even be legally allowed to call itself a democracy. Democracy is just a little more than people having the right to vote and the US cannot even climb that low bar.

You are basically expecting a perfect world, which doesnt exist anywhere. Even nordic countries have all those problems you mentioned above, yet they do not fail to be democracies. 

The beauty of a democracy is this, you can change it with your vote, your protest, something that we will never find in capitalist or socialist dictatorships.



The debates will change everything. Democrats have intelligently kept Biden in the basement away from any hostile press for months now. But the debates will be a gaffe fest like nothing we've seen before, I feel. If this was Biden from 15 years ago it would be one thing, but the man clearly has been going downhill with mental health issues. I'm truly shocked Democrats haven't replaced him with another moderate that is healthier.

By the way I'm saying this seriously. I would HATE to see my family member embarrass himself on a national stage. I would be curious about it! Let the poor man retire for crying out loud. He's lost so much!

If Biden is at the debates, then I think Trump will win electoral college again because of the Rust belt. It's going to be insane. Trump has his own physical issues and is clearly an egomaniac, but that's nothing compared to someone not remembering who they are, what they are running for, who the President is, and other things that have been clearly caught on video.



Dulfite said:
The debates will change everything. Democrats have intelligently kept Biden in the basement away from any hostile press for months now. But the debates will be a gaffe fest like nothing we've seen before, I feel. If this was Biden from 15 years ago it would be one thing, but the man clearly has been going downhill with mental health issues. I'm truly shocked Democrats haven't replaced him with another moderate that is healthier.

By the way I'm saying this seriously. I would HATE to see my family member embarrass himself on a national stage. I would be curious about it! Let the poor man retire for crying out loud. He's lost so much!

If Biden is at the debates, then I think Trump will win electoral college again because of the Rust belt. It's going to be insane. Trump has his own physical issues and is clearly an egomaniac, but that's nothing compared to someone not remembering who they are, what they are running for, who the President is, and other things that have been clearly caught on video.

Not mentioning loves sniffing kids, has a sexual scandal being ignored by media since he is a democrat and has family involved in the Ucrania scandal.

Really, I dont get it. Sometimes I think it was more a move to get Sanders out of the game or fears of delivering the party to a marxist.



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Or something like that is a saying in the redneck states. So it’s not likely Trump is coming anywhere near winning in the next election. It’ll be a landslide victory for Biden simply based on the fact that he isn’t Trump. An inanimate carbon rod would win over Trump at this point.

Not even Americans are stupid enough to elect an impotent raving fool like Trump again. Even the idiot “Bernie or Bust” people aren’t trying as hard to fool the country into electing republicans again.



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