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shikamaru317 said:

In the end things like this always come down to personal taste. Take me for example. I am a multiplat gamer who owns a Switch, a PS4 Pro, and an Xbox One. When trying to decide rather to buy Xbox Series X or PS5 first, there are many factors I took into consideration:

Games
The most important consideration for sure. Microsoft hasn’t even done their July show yet, and yet there are already many games they have announced that interest me. Halo Infinite, Everwild, Flight Simulator, Project Mara, Call of the Sea, Second Extinction, The Medium. Add those to heavily rumored early gen games like Forza Motorsport 8, Forza Horizon 5, Fable Reboot, and Perfect Dark reboot, and there is quite a lot to interest me of XSX in the early years of the generation. By comparison, Sony wise I am interested in Horizon 2, Deathloop, Tokyo Ghostwire, and Kena, but 2 of those are timed exclusives that I can eventually play on Xbox, while Kena is cross-gen, I can play it on PS4. As for other likely early gen PS5 games, God of War 5 has my interest and Spider-Man 2 might if they go back to Peter, but that is about it. Not very hyped for Naughty Dog’s future since they dropped Uncharted in favor of the rather meh TLOU. Never liked GT or LBP. Sucker Punch won’t have a PS5 game until mid-late gen since they chose to release Ghost of Tsushima so late this gen. Sony just doesn’t have as many early gen games to look forward to for me.

Design
I like simple designs, nothing too flashy. XSX is simple, PS5 is the very definition of flashy. PS5 is also far too big. Noise matters to me a lot as well, and Digital Foundry claims XSX is whisper quiet.

Services
While PS+ has been superior to XBL Gold recently in terms of free games, Gamepass so far is far superior to PS Now, thanks to day one 1st/2nd party games on Gamepass, as well as some 3rd party games available day one.

Controller
The edge goes to Sony on this one, I like that XSX has replaceable batteries, and I love XB1/XSX controller ergonomics. But MS played it too safe here, the controller is 90% the same as XB1. Sony on the other hand is offering innovations like improved haptics feedback and resistance triggers.

Backwards Compatibility

Definite edge for Xbox here. They have a lead of several years here. Not only will every XB1 game be available on BC, but also all OG Xbox and 360 games that were made BC last gen. And after XSX is out, BC team says they will go back to adding more OG Xbox and 360 games. Also MS offers BC enhancements on many BC games. I can for instance go back and play Witcher 2 on 360 at 4K 30 FPS with improved textures and other improvements over the original 360 release. Easy win for Xbox here.

In the end, XSX comes out on top by a pretty fair margin. And that is before the July show, which is sure to have many good surprises that will sway me even further towards buying XSX first. At this point the only thing that might sway me to get PS5 first is XSX being $100 or more above PS5, but I find that unlikely given the expensive custom SSD and controller innovations increasing costs on PS5. Even price is unlikely to change my mind at this point though.

Obviously, the games are the most important and to be fair, MS does have a lot of new ip's. It's just that they're all big unknowns and MS has an history of under delivering. I mean do Second Excitation and Call to the Sea really look like master pieces in the making? Maybe all of those games you mentioned will turn out great, but looking at MS's more recent track record (Crackdown 3, Project Spark, Minecraft Dungeons, Bleeding Edge, State of Decay 2, Recore, Sea of Thieves etc.), they can also turn out to be complete duds. 

Now even if you don't care about any of Sony's exclusives yourself, you have to admit that Sony's studios have a pretty stellar reputation when it comes to delivering. In fact, you can practically say that almost anything rolling out of a Sony studio will be quality stuff, even if its a complete new ip. MS, however, still hasn't released a single successful AAA franchise since Gears of War came out, and that was a 3rd party title. MS has been talking for years how things will change, but so far they've done a great job at proving the opposite. We've seen them rapid fire releasing one 1st party game after the other, and most people haven't even noticed.

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curl-6 said:
goopy20 said:

 I just find it hard to believe that anyone, who sees games like TLOU 2, GOW, HZD etc. getting 96 Metacritic scores, wouldn't feel any desire to play them.

Metacritic means basically nothing to me. I've thoroughly enjoyed games that scored in the 60s and hated games that scored in the 90s.

I didn't care for TLOU1 so I have no desire to play the sequel, and I've never liked GOW due to Kratos being my most disliked video game character of all time.

Horizon on the other hand looked pretty cool, and I'd totally play it if it was on a system I owned.

Just saying, critical reception doesn't necessarily have anything to do with an individual's personal tastes.

Same, same. Seriously, I absolutely HATED the first three games, but God of War 2018 might be one of the best games of all time due in no small part to how thoroughly they address his prior behaviour and atone for it. It's a genuinely great game I recommend everyone and everyone picks up. Honestly, it's a nearly-flawless game, in my eye. 



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Runa216 said:
curl-6 said:

Metacritic means basically nothing to me. I've thoroughly enjoyed games that scored in the 60s and hated games that scored in the 90s.

I didn't care for TLOU1 so I have no desire to play the sequel, and I've never liked GOW due to Kratos being my most disliked video game character of all time.

Horizon on the other hand looked pretty cool, and I'd totally play it if it was on a system I owned.

Just saying, critical reception doesn't necessarily have anything to do with an individual's personal tastes.

Same, same. Seriously, I absolutely HATED the first three games, but God of War 2018 might be one of the best games of all time due in no small part to how thoroughly they address his prior behaviour and atone for it. It's a genuinely great game I recommend everyone and everyone picks up. Honestly, it's a nearly-flawless game, in my eye. 

They fully address Kratos behavior during the 3 games, sure it is subtle and need a lot of attention, but there is character development and justification for his actions. And in the end he was right on what he was doing.



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sales2099 said:

The beauty about Ms going after Sony is that they can gauge what people thought and what Sony showed and try to top that. 

The beauty about SONY going after MS is that they can gauge what people thought and what MS showed, and try to top that.

Fixed that for you. MS show was a real show, I know you would love to brush it off but that doesn't change much for the rest of us who are not out there to spin the truth. MS has to make another show AGAIN because SONY just stole all the spotlight, just look at all those Youtube views count, MS needs to do something. But the beauty of it is that SONY will gauge what people thought and what MS is gonna show in round 2 and try to top that.

I love how some of you have this unshakable belief that MS has more games in store to show us yet refuse to give SONY the benefit of the doubt that SONY just might be in a similar position. 

In any case I think all of you are overestimating what these exclusives mean for both consoles, neither of them is Nintendo, so 3rd party games will always be king. The reality is the battle comes down to who will offer the cheaper hardware, an area where MS has an edge. 

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goopy20 said:
kirby007 said:

ill bite
i quit tlou after 10 minutes, Gow I wont even touch dont like that kind of gameplay since heavenly sword with QTEs
IMo HZD was the only good one

so ye PS offered me one game for my taste

How am I supposed to react to that when you haven't even tried those games? Look, I get it. We all have different tastes. I got a Switch and wouldn't touch any Mario game either. Doesn't mean I don't get why its such a critically acclaimed and popular franchise, its just not my thing. If you look at the top 10 best selling ps4 games, 5 of them are exclusives and they're all different ip's. We can argue how you think those games didn't deserve the commercial and critical acclaimed success they did, but those are exactly the kind of games Series X needs to show on July. Iconic exclusives that set the Xbox brand apart and give it its own identity.

Nintendo has them, sony has them and MS used to have them with Halo and Gears. The problem for MS is that they clung on to the same 3 franchises for way too long and people lost interest in them. It happens all the time, look at Uncharted 4 or God of War Ascension, they were still great games, but there's a reason why they did the reboot with GOW and why we didn't get a Uncharted 5. People want new AAA ip's, especially when a new console generation starts. Sony gets that and they're constantly making new ones and taking risks. MS is simply terrible at doing the same thing or doesn't even try. This is why they've been so damn predictable for 2 entire console generations and why I can predict exactly what they'll show in July.  

If I’m not mistaken all the major 1st party announcements they made were sequels of established IPs. For the first time in years MS has a shot in getting more new IPs announced. I hope they take it. 



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LurkerJ said:
sales2099 said:

The beauty about Ms going after Sony is that they can gauge what people thought and what Sony showed and try to top that. 

The beauty about SONY going after MS is that they can gauge what people thought and what MS showed, and try to top that.

Fixed that for you. MS show was a real show, I know you would love to brush it off but that doesn't change much for the rest of us who are not out there to spin the truth. MS has to make another show AGAIN because SONY just stole all the spotlight, just look at all those Youtube views count, MS needs to do something. But the beauty of it is that SONY will gauge what people thought and what MS is gonna show in round 2 and try top that.

I love how some of you have this unshakable belief that MS has more games in store to show us yet refuse to give SONY the benefit of the doubt that SONY just might be in a similar position. 

In any case I think all of you are overestimating what these exclusives mean for both consoles, neither of them is Nintendo, so 3rd party games will always be king. The reality is the battle comes down to who will offer the cheaper hardware, an area where MS has an edge. 

lol you’d like to think so, but it was a 20 minute Inside Xbox presentation. It was a small show, meant for spillover of content that would make the July show too bloated. Ms has been much more transparent and I preferred their drip feeding then being quiet for 6 months. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
LurkerJ said:

Fixed that for you. MS show was a real show, I know you would love to brush it off but that doesn't change much for the rest of us who are not out there to spin the truth. MS has to make another show AGAIN because SONY just stole all the spotlight, just look at all those Youtube views count, MS needs to do something. But the beauty of it is that SONY will gauge what people thought and what MS is gonna show in round 2 and try top that.

I love how some of you have this unshakable belief that MS has more games in store to show us yet refuse to give SONY the benefit of the doubt that SONY just might be in a similar position. 

In any case I think all of you are overestimating what these exclusives mean for both consoles, neither of them is Nintendo, so 3rd party games will always be king. The reality is the battle comes down to who will offer the cheaper hardware, an area where MS has an edge. 

lol you’d like to think so, but it was a 20 minute Inside Xbox presentation. It was a small show, meant for spillover of content that would make the July show too bloated. Ms has been much more transparent and I preferred their drip feeding then being quiet for 6 months. 

Well if you only game on Xbox 1 you're probably used to being drip fed since exclusive content is few and far between. 

... and you missed the part where the xbox presentation is titled "First Look Xbox Series X Gameplay" on the Xbox official youtube channel and the hype that preceded it. How is it our problem that an almost 30 minutes presentation disappointed you so much? Which is plenty of time for most gaming shows since most reveals are trailers and snippets of gameplays....

but hey, you're content with being drip fed I guess. As for the rest of gamers, it's clear that they are more enthused for SONY's approach than they are for "MS transparency", SONY stole all the hype and even you can't deny that. 

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sales2099 said:
goopy20 said:

How am I supposed to react to that when you haven't even tried those games? Look, I get it. We all have different tastes. I got a Switch and wouldn't touch any Mario game either. Doesn't mean I don't get why its such a critically acclaimed and popular franchise, its just not my thing. If you look at the top 10 best selling ps4 games, 5 of them are exclusives and they're all different ip's. We can argue how you think those games didn't deserve the commercial and critical acclaimed success they did, but those are exactly the kind of games Series X needs to show on July. Iconic exclusives that set the Xbox brand apart and give it its own identity.

Nintendo has them, sony has them and MS used to have them with Halo and Gears. The problem for MS is that they clung on to the same 3 franchises for way too long and people lost interest in them. It happens all the time, look at Uncharted 4 or God of War Ascension, they were still great games, but there's a reason why they did the reboot with GOW and why we didn't get a Uncharted 5. People want new AAA ip's, especially when a new console generation starts. Sony gets that and they're constantly making new ones and taking risks. MS is simply terrible at doing the same thing or doesn't even try. This is why they've been so damn predictable for 2 entire console generations and why I can predict exactly what they'll show in July.  

If I’m not mistaken all the major 1st party announcements they made were sequels of established IPs. For the first time in years MS has a shot in getting more new IPs announced. I hope they take it. 

Except for Ratchet & Clank, they were sequels to brand new ip's that debuted on ps4. It would be silly for Sony not to release at least 1 or 2 sequels for games like Spider Man, HZD and GOW as they were some of the highest rated and best selling games on the platform.

We will have to wait and see, but just ask yourself when was the last time MS released a successful new ip? Also, why are you so convinced they will have a bunch of them in July? I think people are writing off MS's last event as some colossal marketing blunder and pretend it never happened. Personally, I don't think that's the case at all. MS showed exactly what they've been promising for months, which aren't Series X games but Series X enhanced titles. Just because that didn't wow people like Sony's event did, doesn't mean it never happened.

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RolStoppable said:

I guess I am supposed to answer the thread title, not your silly question in the original post. As if anything Xbox could ever get me excited.

The PS5 conference set a low bar. People learned that they'll be able to play a Spider-Man expansion and some Astrobot software that Sony doesn't dare to charge money for. While the hype is still fresh, it can't take too long until people realize that none of Horizon 2, Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet & Clank and Demon's Souls got a 2021 release window. So what Microsoft needs to do in the first party games department:

"Here's Halo Infinite. This version was built from the ground up for XSX. You'll be playing it this holiday season."
"And here's Forza Motorsport 8. Same as Halo."

PS5 already wrecked. Apparently people care about what they can play in the near future.

Microsoft can show trailers of first party titles that are far out, like Hellblade 2. It's not like Sony managed to put any pressure on Microsoft with all their TBD titles.

Then go over a bunch of AAA third party multiplats and keep repeating that the best console version of every game shown will be on the XSX. Close out the show with the price of the console and drive the point home that the XSX won't cost more than the PS5.

Game Pass in the middle somewhere.

The bottom line is that realistically Microsoft couldn't have asked for a better PS5 event. Sony's only two top studios that could have had a killer app ready anytime soon were Guerilla Games and Polyphony Digital (both released games in 2017, as opposed to all others who released games in 2018-2020), and neither one of them is capable of hitting a 2021 release date by the looks of it. The hype machine for Sony's ultra fast SSD couldn't demonstrate any games to back it up. A large portion of the PS5 event was padding, plus not much gameplay was shown. Microsoft is in a good position here. Instead of the huge question being how they can compete with, let alone beat a behemoth, it's now a rather basic premise of simply don't mess it up, because a lot of things have been lining up.

But the bottom bottom line is that you already assumed too much too early,compared to ps4,ps5 is stepping it up with exclusives early on and you think that would be beneficial for Microsoft?

Ratchet and clank did demonstrate you how the faster ssd could make it easier to implement the fastly put in information in the form of objects,i'm not saying it is not possible by other means but such a memory does make it more likely to have those features on our screen.



In order to beat PS5, in my opinion Xbox Series X needs to do all of the following:

1: Be 100% backwards compatible with the Xbox One. No ifs, no buts, not just a limited selection of games. You put the disc in and it runs period.

2: Beat the PS5 in price. They don't even need to beat it by that much, but selling the console for 450 or 400$ would be a great idea. A variation of this could be to sell the Xbox Series X at the same price as the discless PS5 (especially if the version with the disc drive happens to be a lot more expensive, like 100$ more instead of 50$) and to attack Sony on this point; essencially recycling the attacks from that conference where PS4 got announced.

3: Of course, a good selection of games as well, ideally exclusives. A console is nothing without great games.

If Microsoft does all of the above they would easily win over Sony in terms of the conference. They probably still would not win the generation because of inertia and Sony probably correcting their mistakes to counterattack, but they'd narrow the gap