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JRPGfan said:

You guys seen the video with the old man in his 70's trying to return a riot gear helmet, to the riot police?

"heres one of your helmets, one of you must have left it behinde"
*cops just ignore him, and what hes carrying*
*cop gives him a push*
*old man falls back, wobbling and falling down to crack open his head*


Theres blood running out of his damn ear, and you see him laying there shakeing abit, before passing out.
Cops just move right past him.

Seriously? its messed up.

Yeah, and in the span of a few hours the police official statement went from "The old man tripped & fell" to "the two officers have been suspended without pay immediately".

And this is how they lie about an old white man, when there are cameras everywhere. Imagine when there aren't.

And why are only two officers suspended? There's no way that first statement made it out without other cops lying or being silent about what happened.

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Old man falling looks like a combination of incompetence and truckload of bad luck. Looks like these two suspended guys are listening to the man, then 3rd one comes and shouts to push on and both of them give a quick shove at the same time, resulting in the man taking off-balance steps, tripping and falling.

Unfortunate and unprofessional, they should've walked the man away from there. But it's stupid to think they deliberately cracked his skull, probably pretty shocking thing for the officer too and a thing that will haunt him. Unless you already think none of these officers are human at all..

"To add insult to injury they just walk right by him offering no aid to him till two state troopers stopped to help" Not at all, they immediately call the medic team. No use for others to gather around the old man.



KiigelHeart said:

Unfortunate and unprofessional, they should've walked the man away from there. But it's stupid to think they deliberately cracked his skull, probably pretty shocking thing for the officer too and a thing that will haunt him. Unless you already think none of these officers are human at all..

Who said they deliberately tried to crack his skull? And if no one said it, that's a strawman making this behavior seem not as bad as people are saying, because "it wasn't intentional." Which no one claimed anyway.

Unprofessional is putting it mildly. If you can't handle a 70 year old man who was no threat to you without pushing him, you should not be wearing the uniform. Should be investigated for criminal negligence.

And this haunts the officers so much that the pushing part didn't make it into the original statement. Only "tripped & fell".
Pretty sure trying to cover up potential manslaugher is criminal as well.

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Police Board President gets beat up by cops with batons hours after praising their restraint.
This sounds like an Onion headline.

These type of headlines just keep coming in.

A few days ago they pepper sprayed and arrested their own senator.

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Cops have a right to defend themselves and respond in force if they are being assaulted. They are being assaulted with bricks thrown and other weapons in some instances. They can respond with force against those people.

However, they shouldn't respond in force to people that are just standing there peacefully protesting.



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Hiku said:

Who said they deliberately tried to crack his skull? And if no one said it, that's a strawman making this behavior seem not as bad as people are saying, because "it wasn't intentional." Which no one claimed anyway.

Unprofessional is putting it mildly. If you can't handle a 70 year old man who was no threat to you without pushing him, you should not be wearing the uniform. Should be investigated for criminal negligence.

And this haunts the officers so much that the pushing part didn't make it into the original statement. Only "tripped & fell".
Pretty sure trying to cover up potential manslaugher is criminal as well.

 I wasn't saying anyone in this thread thought it was deliberate. I was referring to some twitter discussion about it that you posted here. It was a post about one of these officers kneeling with protestors and then being involved in this incident. So excuse me if I assume some people think it was deliberate because otherwise I'm not sure what the issue is with the man kneeling and then being on duty.

Unprofessional is what it is. I've no doubt these guys can and have handled old people without pushing, but in that incident they made an error. It doesn't look like a push with force to make someone  fall. More like a sudden shove that makes the man take off-balance steps backwards and lose his footing. Unfortunate and unprofessional.

How do you know what he wrote in his original statement?

Anyway, things like this should always be investigated but in this case I don't think he would be charged. Statements afterwards are another thing.

Incidents like the cop firing a projectile on kids head should be investigated and the cop charged. And those clips of cops beating protesters with batongs. 



KiigelHeart said:
Hiku said:

Who said they deliberately tried to crack his skull? And if no one said it, that's a strawman making this behavior seem not as bad as people are saying, because "it wasn't intentional." Which no one claimed anyway.

Unprofessional is putting it mildly. If you can't handle a 70 year old man who was no threat to you without pushing him, you should not be wearing the uniform. Should be investigated for criminal negligence.

And this haunts the officers so much that the pushing part didn't make it into the original statement. Only "tripped & fell".
Pretty sure trying to cover up potential manslaugher is criminal as well.

 I wasn't saying anyone in this thread thought it was deliberate. I was referring to some twitter discussion about it that you posted here. It was a post about one of these officers kneeling with protestors and then being involved in this incident. So excuse me if I assume some people think it was deliberate because otherwise I'm not sure what the issue is with the man kneeling and then being on duty.

The issue is that the kneeling means standing against police brutality.
So them going from that to assaulting an old man with excessive force is something everyone needs to be weary of.

And that's not the only similar story we've heard/seen in the past few days.
Here they are pretending to kneel, to lure peaceful protesters in closer, so they can assault them with a deadly weapon (according to police own definition).

There are more examples that I don't care to dig up atm.

KiigelHeart said:
Unprofessional is what it is. I've no doubt these guys can and have handled old people without pushing, but in that incident they made an error. It doesn't look like a push with force to make someone  fall. More like a sudden shove that makes the man take off-balance steps backwards and lose his footing. Unfortunate and unprofessional.

That's exactly why YOU DON'T PUSH OLD PEOPLE. Everyone knows that.
They have absolutely no business to 'protect and serve' if they do it anyway.

KiigelHeart said:

How do you know what he wrote in his original statement?

There was no mention of a push in the statement issued by their department.
Unless they can explain why that crucial detail was missing, when there were dozens of eye witnesses, it means police were lying and complicit in a coverup.

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You know, the official line here is that we're to support the peaceful protesters and not the other ones, but let's be serious here for a minute: part of the reason the press loves the daytime protesters is because those are mostly more middle class people who don't have to be at work during the day. Of course they're peaceful. They have less to be angry about. But then night falls and work shifts end. Then the working class comes out and that's when the cops crack down and you see the scenes of clashes and rioting (mostly it's police riots, but demonstrators have been known to respond to being physically attacked too).

I mean I'm not supposed to sympathize with a bunch of mostly poorer people looting stores along the wealthy Fifth Avenue that sell only to rich people, but come on. Can I seriously be expected to view institutions like that as victims?

Survey data out this week (example 1, example 2) finds that yeah, most people do, in fact, understand the anger behind these protests and sympathize, even if they don't actually approve of every action everyone at these events has taken. I mean when you see that 57% of Americans now believe that police departments have a racial bias against black people and and an even larger 64% say they support the protests demanding justice for George Floyd and other victims of police brutality while only 27% oppose them (i.e. 73% are either supportive of or neutral on these protests), it's clear which direction public opinion has broken toward. I really want to point that out because for some time I kept hearing from concerned people online that surely, surely the occasional scene of a burning cop car would be enough to provoke a backlash against Black Lives Matter and the whole cause of racial justice. It makes you wonder about their mentality. What I saw happen on that video of George Floyd being suffocated to death for nearly nine minutes while three other officers do nothing to intervene was the single most despicably callous form of brazen murder I've seen police officers deploy out of all these videos thereof we've seen in recent years. How does one watch that video and seriously reach the conclusion that public opinion will break against any resultant protests? You have to have no conscience at all to believe that!

Just like read that now-infamous Trump tweet from last week about how looters should be shot by the army. That sums up the attitude right there: detractors to these protests believe that white property matters more than black lives. What else needs to be said?

And I mean this isn't even just strictly a racial issue! I mean if you're black, you're statistically like 19 times more likely to die at the hands of the police...but I mean, as we've also seen, it could also just be some random homeless white person even, or just any easy target like that that they think no one -- or at least no one who matters in their eyes, no one who they think society writ large will care about -- will miss. That's a major part of why there are so many white people at these events today, in contrast to years ago. That is why the anarchist groups -- which are basically all-white and proletarian -- are involved. This is a class issue too, not only a race issue.

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KiigelHeart said:
Old man falling looks like a combination of incompetence and truckload of bad luck. Looks like these two suspended guys are listening to the man, then 3rd one comes and shouts to push on and both of them give a quick shove at the same time, resulting in the man taking off-balance steps, tripping and falling.

Unfortunate and unprofessional, they should've walked the man away from there. But it's stupid to think they deliberately cracked his skull, probably pretty shocking thing for the officer too and a thing that will haunt him. Unless you already think none of these officers are human at all..

"To add insult to injury they just walk right by him offering no aid to him till two state troopers stopped to help" Not at all, they immediately call the medic team. No use for others to gather around the old man.

Ever heard of "duty to rescue, failure to render aid"? You stay at an accident scene doing what you can until professional help arrived. Not only were they at fault for shoving the old man, walking away and lying about it are two more counts against them. These people should not be on the street dealing with the public.



SvennoJ said:
KiigelHeart said:
Old man falling looks like a combination of incompetence and truckload of bad luck. Looks like these two suspended guys are listening to the man, then 3rd one comes and shouts to push on and both of them give a quick shove at the same time, resulting in the man taking off-balance steps, tripping and falling.

Unfortunate and unprofessional, they should've walked the man away from there. But it's stupid to think they deliberately cracked his skull, probably pretty shocking thing for the officer too and a thing that will haunt him. Unless you already think none of these officers are human at all..

"To add insult to injury they just walk right by him offering no aid to him till two state troopers stopped to help" Not at all, they immediately call the medic team. No use for others to gather around the old man.

Ever heard of "duty to rescue, failure to render aid"? You stay at an accident scene doing what you can until professional help arrived. Not only were they at fault for shoving the old man, walking away and lying about it are two more counts against them. These people should not be on the street dealing with the public.

I have, doesn't have much to do with this situation. They have an emergency squad for it and it arrives quickly. One of them stays there. Others need to carry on whatever task they had. No point touching someone with potentially serious injury and trauma if more qualified and equipped units are available.

I agree the two men shoving shouldn't continue to operate after the incident. Very likely too much going on inside their heads.