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SvennoJ said:
sethnintendo said:

I suppose you are probably right.  The shoving down old people and attacking reporters is ridiculous.  Also the shooting of people in head with rubber bullets and bean bags is fucked up. 

Here is how you don't do crowd control.  They could disperse the crowd with water cannons and that would probably be less harmful.

Water cannons are deadly weapons as well and easily abused
https://www.economist.com/asia/2016/10/01/death-by-water-cannon
https://www.military.com/video/law-enforcement/police/turkish-police-water-cannon-kills-man/2424004746001

Wow dang.  They were pretty close to the vehicle. Even distance twice as far as that could be deadly.  Usually they get sprayed from way farther distance but wherever that was they rolled up way too close.   I'd put blame on cops for that one heck you can see the vehicle still going forward practically feet away from them.



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sethnintendo said:
SvennoJ said:

Water cannons are deadly weapons as well and easily abused
https://www.economist.com/asia/2016/10/01/death-by-water-cannon
https://www.military.com/video/law-enforcement/police/turkish-police-water-cannon-kills-man/2424004746001

Wow dang.  They were pretty close to the vehicle. Even distance twice as far as that could be deadly.  Usually they get sprayed from way farther distance but wherever that was they rolled up way too close.   I'd put blame on cops for that one heck you can see the vehicle still going forward practically feet away from them.

Yeah but then I guess the issue is that if a water cannon can be deadly if used improperly then we're in a similar situation as the current one where these tools have ways in which they are meant to be used (rubber bullets bounced off the ground) and police are misusing them.



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SvennoJ said:
sethnintendo said:

I suppose you are probably right.  The shoving down old people and attacking reporters is ridiculous.  Also the shooting of people in head with rubber bullets and bean bags is fucked up. 

Here is how you don't do crowd control.  They could disperse the crowd with water cannons and that would probably be less harmful.

Water cannons are deadly weapons as well and easily abused
https://www.economist.com/asia/2016/10/01/death-by-water-cannon
https://www.military.com/video/law-enforcement/police/turkish-police-water-cannon-kills-man/2424004746001

If the pressure on the water beam is hard enough, it ll cut through diamonds.
That water cannon lookings strong enough, just gotta focus the beam abit, and you could probably use that to probably cut people in half.

Imagine that gif showing the beam comeing through and cutting off limbs?
Lmao at that beam actually blasting like 5 people away. The force of that thing is crazy.



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I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

You guys seen the video with the old man in his 70's trying to return a riot gear helmet, to the riot police?

"heres one of your helmets, one of you must have left it behinde"
*cops just ignore him, and what hes carrying*
*cop gives him a push*
*old man falls back, wobbling and falling down to crack open his head*


Theres blood running out of his damn ear, and you see him laying there shakeing abit, before passing out.
Cops just move right past him.

Seriously? its messed up.



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John2290 said:
JRPGfan said:

If the pressure on the water beam is hard enough, it ll cut through diamonds.
That water cannon lookings strong enough, just gotta focus the beam abit, and you could probably use that to probably cut people in half.

Imagine that gif showing the beam comeing through and cutting off limbs?
Lmao at that beam actually blasting like 5 people away. The force of that thing is crazy.

That dude who went flying would have been fine if he hadn't put his shield up, that's what pushed him back with such force. 

He would have been fine if they didn't use the fucking water cannons.



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John2290 said:
JRPGfan said:

If the pressure on the water beam is hard enough, it ll cut through diamonds.
That water cannon lookings strong enough, just gotta focus the beam abit, and you could probably use that to probably cut people in half.

Imagine that gif showing the beam comeing through and cutting off limbs?
Lmao at that beam actually blasting like 5 people away. The force of that thing is crazy.

That dude who went flying would have been fine if he hadn't put his shield up, that's what pushed him back with such force. 

That guy might have survived that. The two in the links I posted didn't make it out alive and had no shield.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/08/hong-kong-police-water-cannon-danger/
Hong Kong police must exercise extreme caution in any deployment of water cannons in upcoming protests, Amnesty International said, warning that the use of these powerful weapons in the city’s densely populated streets could cause serious injuries and further enflame tensions.

Distance doesn't help much either, these things are dangerous

She could have easily cracked her head hitting the street that hard.

The water cannons would be better used here
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/amazon-redlands-fire-trnd/index.html

One more link
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/06/what-nonlethal-weapons-can-do-to-the-body-george-floyd/

Tasers are another problem
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-taser-deaths-insight/as-death-toll-keeps-rising-u-s-communities-start-rethinking-taser-use-idUSKCN1PT0YT
Warren Ragudo died after two Taser shocks by police intervening in a family altercation. Ramzi Saad died after a Taser shock by police during a dispute between Saad and his mother. Chinedu Okobi died after police used a Taser to subdue him in a confrontation they blamed on his refusal to stop walking in traffic.

They were among at least 49 people who died in 2018 after being shocked by police with a Taser, a similar number as in the previous two years, according to a Reuters review of police records, news reports and court documents.

Non lethal weapons... The only thing those seem to do is give the police an excuse to use more force.



John2290 said:
Jumpin said:

He would have been fine if they didn't use the fucking water cannons.

Well, we'd be here all day with chicken or the egg logic but I'll indulge, they wouldn't have needed the canons if they didn't violate the law. 

You really want to open that can of worms? That gif was from long before the pandemic btw. Afaik protesting is not against the law. Plus what do you do if you want to protest against the laws...

https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/police-failing-to-ensure-right-to-protest-endangering-lives/
“U.S. police across the country are failing their obligations under international law to respect and facilitate the right to peaceful protest, exacerbating a tense situation and endangering the lives of protesters."

Who is violating the law...



John2290 said:
Jumpin said:

He would have been fine if they didn't use the fucking water cannons.

Well, we'd be here all day with chicken or the egg logic but I'll indulge, they wouldn't have needed the canons if they didn't violate the law. 

That won't be necessary, you've already lost the argument. Not only was your response a red herring, but it was a false red herring.



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JRPGfan said:

You guys seen the video with the old man in his 70's trying to return a riot gear helmet, to the riot police?

"heres one of your helmets, one of you must have left it behinde"
*cops just ignore him, and what hes carrying*
*cop gives him a push*
*old man falls back, wobbling and falling down to crack open his head*


Theres blood running out of his damn ear, and you see him laying there shakeing abit, before passing out.
Cops just move right past him.

Seriously? its messed up.

I saw the video and it is messed up.  I didn't really notice at first that he was holding one of their helmets and trying to give it back to them.  They could have just grabbed his arm and escorted him but nope gotta shove an old man.  The Buffalo police department first tried to put statement out that someone tripped and fell.  He might have tripped a little on his own but he wouldn't have fallen in the first place if there wasn't a shove.  Now 57 members of the team resigned from that tactical team to support their two suspended coworkers.  They should just resign from the police force if they think that was justifiable.  To add insult to injury they just walk right by him offering no aid to him till two state troopers stopped to help.

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news-2/2020/06/05/57-buffalo-cops-resign-from-special-squad-after-2-suspended-for-shoving-75-year-old-protester-to-the-ground

Hope the old guy recovers.  He is in stable but serious condition.  I'm pretty sure I saw blood coming out of his ear in the video which means heavy blow to the head from hitting it on concrete.  I tripped and fell into edge of a glass TV stand and had a 6+ inch long gash on top of my head but even then I didn't bleed out of my ears.  He must have suffered a heavy concussion.

Last edited by sethnintendo - on 06 June 2020