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Which event got you more impressed?

Xbox Series X Gameplay Event 25 27.17%
 
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 Demo 67 72.83%
 
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Machiavellian on 15 May 2020
eva01beserk said:
Machiavellian said:

You really cannot compare an E3 event to a streamed small event like MS showed we need some context.  Neither Sony or MS has showed their hand so can we not act like that small streamed event was the only thing they will be doing for this year.

The fact is, you are comparing a tech demo to a game showing and trying to find meaning.  The meaning is that one is a ways off from realization and the other is around the corner.

I will give you this, MS should know by now how gamers are.  If you are not blowing their minds then you are garbage.  There usually no middle ground and they should just follow Sony play book.  Show them trailers of stuff years off from completion to get the wow factor going even if those games may never see daylight.  What was that capcom dragon game that never came out and was exclusive to the PS4.

How far away do you think that hellblade 2 trailer seems to you? From a small studio that just released a game? Where it wasent even runing on engine? Or the project mara that does not even have an official name yet,where the description only says is only a concept, yet a concept trailer was shown? Wasent also halo infinite anounced e3 2018 and so far we havent even seen game runing?

You probably can find a few from MS but mostly they only really show what will be coming out within the year, 2 at best.  Sony loves to wow and have consistently during E3 events showed many games years out before launch.  Nothing wrong with the strategy, Sony just understand that gamers love wow more than realistic expectations during E3.



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Pemalite on 15 May 2020
goopy20 said:

But the fact is that 4x Raid SSD's isn't, and never will be, mainstream on pc.

No one claimed otherwise.

eva01beserk said:

True. But consoles and PC are not plagued by the same constrictions. Something @permalite himself has made coments about. Not on this thread. But he himself has said that SSD speeds are not a bottle neck on PC's, as on PC you could just increase you system ram and remove any benefits you would gain from the ps5 ssd and even do more. Not just that, increasing the ram on a pc would have a way way way better cost to benefit ration than having a raid setup. He knows this very well and yet he feels the need to try to solve a problem on PC that dosent exist with over complicated and expensives solutions just to say PC's are better. At something that doent need to be better at. At some point its just trolling. 

It's not trolling.

At a technical level, what I have stated was fundamentally true, the 4x Phison PCI-E 4.0 SSD's in RAID will out-benchmark the Playstation 5 SSD.
I provided the evidence for that.

The fact is... If money is no object, the PC will always have the technical edge, even before a console is released, like with the Playstation 5.

Libi said:

Wait, wait. "Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed", really? PC needs to catch up a stupid console? Arent PC´s better in everthing? Im confused. Now that i was about to spent 1000€ on an average PC, you say that i will have to catch up. hahahha. Ok, PS5 to my living room. Thanks, you just saved me around 500€.

PC's can exceed the unreleased consoles by a considerable margin on every front, they aren't constrained by TDP, price or form factor which entitles them to that technical edge.







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eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
Machiavellian said:
eva01beserk said:

How far away do you think that hellblade 2 trailer seems to you? From a small studio that just released a game? Where it wasent even runing on engine? Or the project mara that does not even have an official name yet,where the description only says is only a concept, yet a concept trailer was shown? Wasent also halo infinite anounced e3 2018 and so far we havent even seen game runing?

You probably can find a few from MS but mostly they only really show what will be coming out within the year, 2 at best.  Sony loves to wow and have consistently during E3 events showed many games years out before launch.  Nothing wrong with the strategy, Sony just understand that gamers love wow more than realistic expectations during E3.

no doubt. both do it.



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eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
Pemalite said:
goopy20 said:

But the fact is that 4x Raid SSD's isn't, and never will be, mainstream on pc.

No one claimed otherwise.

eva01beserk said:

True. But consoles and PC are not plagued by the same constrictions. Something @permalite himself has made coments about. Not on this thread. But he himself has said that SSD speeds are not a bottle neck on PC's, as on PC you could just increase you system ram and remove any benefits you would gain from the ps5 ssd and even do more. Not just that, increasing the ram on a pc would have a way way way better cost to benefit ration than having a raid setup. He knows this very well and yet he feels the need to try to solve a problem on PC that dosent exist with over complicated and expensives solutions just to say PC's are better. At something that doent need to be better at. At some point its just trolling. 

It's not trolling.

At a technical level, what I have stated was fundamentally true, the 4x Phison PCI-E 4.0 SSD's in RAID will out-benchmark the Playstation 5 SSD.
I provided the evidence for that.

The fact is... If money is no object, the PC will always have the technical edge, even before a console is released, like with the Playstation 5.

Libi said:

Wait, wait. "Its obvious that the PC will definitely catch and exceed", really? PC needs to catch up a stupid console? Arent PC´s better in everthing? Im confused. Now that i was about to spent 1000€ on an average PC, you say that i will have to catch up. hahahha. Ok, PS5 to my living room. Thanks, you just saved me around 500€.

PC's can exceed the unreleased consoles by a considerable margin on every front, they aren't constrained by TDP, price or form factor which entitles them to that technical edge.

Never up for debate. But the raid point is not applicable as is not an issue. Its like saying a 64 core thread riper is is better than 12 core ryzen. Its definetly better, but if you are looking for gaming there would be no point in the threadripper. The point is bringing up raid was not nesesary and border line flaming. 



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KratosLives on 15 May 2020

That sense of scale in that demo was amazing. They must be using other new tech, because that level of depth of distance between objects, felt almost lifelike,and can judge distance. It felt huge in there and not just static. This is probably as close to movie like you can get, in terms of environment.



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chakkra on 15 May 2020
KratosLives said:
That sense of scale in that demo was amazing. They must be using other new tech, because that level of depth of distance between objects, felt almost lifelike,and can judge distance. It felt huge in there and not just static. This is probably as close to movie like you can get, in terms of environment.

This demo actually got me excited to see the next Frostbite engine. I always felt that games made in Frostbite had a much higher level of realism than the games made on other engines.



KratosLives on 15 May 2020

Imagine a proper mirrors edge sequel next gen



DonFerrari on 15 May 2020
KratosLives said:

Imagine a proper mirrors edge sequel next gen

I loved the first and it was just so gorgeous, but for some reason I didn't really click with the second.



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Pemalite on 15 May 2020
eva01beserk said:

Never up for debate. But the raid point is not applicable as is not an issue. Its like saying a 64 core thread riper is is better than 12 core ryzen. Its definetly better, but if you are looking for gaming there would be no point in the threadripper. The point is bringing up raid was not nesesary and border line flaming. 

Politely disagree. Don't make it personal simply because you don't like the facts.

chakkra said:

This demo actually got me excited to see the next Frostbite engine. I always felt that games made in Frostbite had a much higher level of realism than the games made on other engines.

Frostbite was always very heavy on the post-process though.

I am excited to see how Frostbite looks and runs on next generation consoles, they have been one of the biggest supporters and pushers of advanced rendering technologies that would eventually be adopted by other engines.

Plus because EA forces it's use in most of it's games, it gets wide adoption.


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KratosLives on 16 May 2020

what do you think tim sweeney thinks now, this is back from 2016.

“You know, we’re getting to the point now where we can render photo-realistic static scenes without humans with static lighting,” Sweeney said in an interview with Gamespot. “Today’s hardware can do that, so part of that problem is solved. Getting to the point of photo-realistic dynamic environments, especially with very advanced shading models like wet scenes, or reflective scenes, or anisotropic paint, though…maybe forty Teraflops is the level where we can achieve all of that.”