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Would you buy a cheap "playstation Tv" like version of the Switch?

Yes, and I'd buy a digita... 7 18.42%
 
No, I dislike digital, ev... 31 81.58%
 
Total:38

BTW, OP is not talking about the 5th SKU discovered in the datamining suggesting another model with an attached screen ?

Maybe, they'll try a clamshell design for us poor DS/3DS owners xD



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vivster said:
10 years from now the next generation will laugh at us and ask why we felt the need to put software on individual cartridges or Blurays when there are perfectly fine local storage options. People clinging to physical games is today's version of people clinging to vinyl.

There is a slight difference though

Song file size 20 years ago - 5,2 MB

Song file size now - 5,2 MB

Game file size 20 years ago - 5,2 MB

Game file size now - 52 GB

While I fully agree physicals will definitely become obsolete someday, I'm not really buying the idea that all the storage and internet issues will be solved in that short time. Song and images files hit their plateau many years ago, movies size file is becoming non-issue because streaming can dynamically reduce image quality (also also the quality of the movies are limited by the quality of screens, not every TV has 4K support). Games's size however is growing just as fast as storage devices are becoming cheaper and more reliable, I don't know if it will be a definitive solution for this in the next two generations. 

Last edited by IcaroRibeiro - on 16 April 2020

Why would it be all digital? This isn't optical drive which takes a lot of space and ins't cheap to make. If anything they'd add more game card slots.



JRPGfan said:

So potentially a super cheap, console only version of the Switch, thats digital only.
Any interest in such a device guys?

Apart from it being digital only, yes.

I don't buy physical but I see no reason for them to cut cross compatibility by axing catridges, many potential buyers will loose access to their games unless Nintendo has a plan to transfer hysical copies into download codes which is just unnecesarry considering their is probably very little cost saving for all the fuss it will cause



Mar1217 said:
vivster said:
10 years from now the next generation will laugh at us and ask why we felt the need to put software on individual cartridges or Blurays when there are perfectly fine local storage options. People clinging to physical games is today's version of people clinging to vinyl.

Yet more popular than ever. The ownership of physical goods is still the superior form whatever may come vs buying a license to utilize said software.

How is physical more popular than ever when the percentage of digital sales has been rising steadily for the past decade?

IcaroRibeiro said:
vivster said:
10 years from now the next generation will laugh at us and ask why we felt the need to put software on individual cartridges or Blurays when there are perfectly fine local storage options. People clinging to physical games is today's version of people clinging to vinyl.

There is a slight difference though

Song file size 20 years ago - 5,2 MB

Song file size now - 5,2 MB

Game file size 20 years ago - 5,2 MB

Game file size now - 52 GB

While I fully agree physicals will definitely become obsolete someday, I'm not really buying the idea that all the storage and internet issues will be solved in that short time. Song and images files hit their plateau many years ago, movies size file is becoming non-issue because streaming can dynamically reduce image quality (also also the quality of the movies are limited by the quality of screens, not every TV has 4K support). Games's size however is growing just as fast as storage devices are becoming cheaper and more reliable, I don't know if it will be a definitive solution for this in the next two generations. 

Storage is a non issue, really. Nobody, no matter how much they pretend they do, needs to have 20 games simultaneously installed, especially not games that are 50GB. Games can be downloaded and uninstalled easily and quickly. Storage is a comfort that everyone wants but very few actually need.

If people can do without a headphone jack, they can easily do without having unlimited storage. In the end convenience will always win out and having 10 games locally installed will always be more convenient than lugging 20 cartridges around and sometimes having to download a game.

If anything the increased demand of storage will drive developers to do even less physical. The physical mediums are way more limited than local storage.



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It's a fucking royal pain in the ass to reinstall games on PS4 for example. Why? Because of the bullshit that is trophy data.  Running out of room on HDD or even External HDD. (I have over 80 games for it) Ok let's uninstall Nier Automata for example. Ok, I will delete it. Some months later I want to play it. I install it but uh oh. It won't let me play because the OPTIONAL DLC is not installed because that DLC has trophy data. Ok so Install the DLC...but ok the game works but the DLC is not in the game...wait, what? Sometimes it takes a few installs and other hoops you have to jump through like deleting save data to get it working(have to re download the save data from PS+). DMC5 gave me the same guff.

My games on my shelf that are 20 years old I can just pop in and they will play. No bullshit. No worrying about recovering them from a long-dead service. No worries about BS trophy data. My Wiiware games are gone tho.  I like the case. The box art. The sometimes manuals. The bonus goodies. Holding the game. It's a full experience that feels shallow digital. Why I can never get into PC gaming no matter how much I try. Also, records are still used as they sound better than MP3 files.



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vivster said:

Storage is a non issue, really. Nobody, no matter how much they pretend they do, needs to have 20 games simultaneously installed, especially not games that are 50GB. Games can be downloaded and uninstalled easily and quickly. Storage is a comfort that everyone wants but very few actually need.

If people can do without a headphone jack, they can easily do without having unlimited storage. In the end convenience will always win out and having 10 games locally installed will always be more convenient than lugging 20 cartridges around and sometimes having to download a game.

If anything the increased demand of storage will drive developers to do even less physical. The physical mediums are way more limited than local storage.

Well, I don't know where you came from, but download a 86 GB game like FF VII is definitely not fast neither convenient. I actually don't see how having to download and uninstall a group of games over and over is more convenient than just changing the cartridges when you want to play something, unless you're using a portable so maybe it makes sense that you don't want to walk with many copies indeed. I googled some reasons why people still buying physicals and I find this article, It was a easy but interesting reading: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-09-14-why-do-gamers-still-buy-physical-games

- 32% buys because they like the collection, these people will probably never changing their minds and will always side with physicals (even if they buy digitals, they will choose physicals when this option is viable)

- 31% buy because it was cheaper (either because it was a discount, or because it was a second-hand game). These people are very likely to buy digital if digital is cheaper

- 42% buys because they like to play in other console, OR like to lend it to someone, OR because they like to resell. So it's a consumer habit, and it's not likely to change 

- Only 22% buys due to technical limitations like internet or storage

So you might be right, only a few (one out of five) european costumers will go for physical thanks to technical limitations. However, this only make physicals appeal stronger imo, you can have few workarounds for the 22% and make digital cheaper for the 31%, but the there is a huge chunk of people who doesn't care for this. I like the idea of borrowing my games, that's why I like Steam, it would be nice if I could do the same with my Switch games. 



vivster said:
Mar1217 said:

Yet more popular than ever. The ownership of physical goods is still the superior form whatever may come vs buying a license to utilize said software.

How is physical more popular than ever when the percentage of digital sales has been rising steadily for the past decade?

Just look at the total sales of physical copies in certain medium like here, with video games, in a good chunk of cases physical sales alone are sufficent to surpass previous sales numbers that were solely physical at some point.

You just looking at this whole thing from the ratio perspective alone while it certainly doesn't give the whole picture. Digital sales have been more acting like an aditive to the total of potential sales. They're not mutually exclusive. 



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It was going to happen one day or another. From the reveal I was expecting a hybrid, console only and hh only both cheaper than hybrid to make people that don't need flexibility more likely to buy (or as extra console).



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I just hope it's not a brand new console on it's own. We've barely had around 3 years with the Switch so far, I was hoping for 2 more.