sundin13 said:
Snoorlax said:
Sorry but i don't see how pandering to a certain crowd who doesn't even buy your games can be considered creative.
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Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?
Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?
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There is a loud minority that has definitely played a couple of games but whether they appreciate these games for what they are, artistically, or hate it for what is isn't is the real question.
In most PC- cases they hate the game for what it isn't and want everybody else to change the game to align it more to their PC believes or else everybody else is a racist homophobe, MK 11 is a clear example of that and that's my problem with Western entertainment these days.
and to answer your last question no they're not creative, they just change what's already there to their own political believes and forces everybody else to like it.
sales2099 said:
sundin13 said:
Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?
Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?
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I believe far more democrats are more concerned with games being aligned with their beliefs then their desire to actually play them. Look no further then Twitter or Reddit.
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Agreed !!!
Mnementh said:
Snoorlax said:
There are 2 main differences here.
1 - Studio Ghibli's most famous works weren't created to pander to a certain crowd who doesn't care about anime or kids movies, it had no political messages behind them just to be woke or progressive, they were just doing what they were good at, being creative and create art.
2 - Studio Ghibli is not American nor Western but Japanese and they create art based on Japanese culture and values which has a worldwide appeal, but guess what it isn't promoted anywhere in the western world because it's not PC.
Studio Ghibli is what the old Walt Disney used to be when it had real American values and wasn't the evil money hungry monopolistic corporation that it is today and is out to buy and destroy any chance of competition they can get.
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1: I think you aren't aware how much political messaging Ghibli movies do. A testament about HOW WELL they do it.
As an example, many recent discussion was about putting female protagonists into movies and sometimes advertise the movie with the fact. Ghibli inserted female protagonists into the movies all the time, even back in the 80s. Nausicaä, Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, Whisper of the Heart, Princess Mononoke and Howl's Moving Castle all have female protagonists and Laputa and Porco Rosso have stong female characters in additional roles. That is of the movies I watched. In a way it is similar to what Hollywood is doing today, but Ghibli was always very good in integrating their characters naturally into the story.
Also the themes of war and natural protection are often to find in Ghibli movies. So yes, their movies pretty clearly have political messaging.
2: But the things I talk about aren't a difference between western and japanese culture. Other anime are missing these political themes Ghibli has often. Other anime have as often male protagonists as western movies. These differences are solely the result of Miyazaki's and Takahata's artistical visions compared to the rest of the industry.
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1. Yes, but why is that political or groundbreaking? Disney made princess movies back in the 1930's 40's and 50's and nobody remembers those movies just for having female leading roles but because of the beautiful art and memorable stories, songs and characters.
2. Miyazaki is great but he also criticized the anime industry. Not because modern anime aren't political but because they don't realistically depict real people instead the same anime tropes that get tiresome and with lots of recycled art that makes all anime look the same. Walt Disney used to be great and even influenced manga, but it had nothing to do with their movies being political, they just made good artsy movies.
What i'm trying to say is not everything has to be political especially not nowadays where "outsiders" decide what's okay and what's not okay for developers to create in their videogames. If it can be done in a good way like you said in your previous post then yeah, but why don't go ahead and make something new? Why change something that's already an established franchise for a minority that never cared for it.