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RolStoppable said:
sales2099 said:

Why did you gloss over what I said about Halo? I said the grey area is child kidnapping/conscription and high risk surgery to fight humans. Which no I don’t think the general population can get behind, which is why ONI did it in secret. Which ended up being just what humanity needed when a bigger alien threat emerged. The former is morally wrong but served a greater good, that’s the nuance and grey area I’m talking about. 

No no...don’t bring in real politics into this. Halos story was created in 2001 so please don’t go there. Myself and many others have a right to keep video games politically neutral. Not conservative or left leaning but neutral. Sometimes one game leans to one side over another, but I just want nuance and interpretation, not painfully obvious black and white good vs bad. 

I am not familiar with that aspect of Halo's story. But if the events occur in the order you describe, then the kidnappers are bad guys and remain bad guys with no grey area. They just happened to luck out that their dirty deeds had a benefit to them. Why do you view that as a grey area? All I can think of as justification for a grey area is that it's okay to do bad things because someday there could be some way in which it is beneficial and might appear to be not as bad, after all.

You don't have a right to keep video games politically neutral. The right you have is to reject products that you don't like.

See that’s my point. You have a specific interpretation and that’s the beauty of it. I see what happened as wrong too but saved millions in civilian casualties. It’s not black and white and everybody has their own unique opinion on it. You aren’t wrong in your assessment but neither am I. 



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sales2099 said:
RolStoppable said:

I am not familiar with that aspect of Halo's story. But if the events occur in the order you describe, then the kidnappers are bad guys and remain bad guys with no grey area. They just happened to luck out that their dirty deeds had a benefit to them. Why do you view that as a grey area? All I can think of as justification for a grey area is that it's okay to do bad things because someday there could be some way in which it is beneficial and might appear to be not as bad, after all.

You don't have a right to keep video games politically neutral. The right you have is to reject products that you don't like.

See that’s my point. You have a specific interpretation and that’s the beauty of it. I see what happened as wrong too but saved millions in civilian casualties. It’s not black and white and everybody has their own unique opinion on it. You aren’t wrong in your assessment but neither am I. 

That definition of grey area certainly needs to be fleshed out more, because otherwise just about anything constitutes a grey area. If all it takes is that different people have different opinions, then yeah... pretty much everything is grey.



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Snoorlax said:
Zkuq said:

I don't see how that's at all relevant to what I said, but "thanks" for the preaching, I suppose. Also, like I said, I don't generally mind it, so if it affects Japanese games, I don't generally care.

Well, what do you want me to say? Congratulations?

First you say it's troubling but you generally don't care for it, then you say only if History gets changed then you do care... Oh! and also remakes and stuff BUT you generally don't care it... Okay?

I for one do care, cause i invested lots of time and money in videogame franchises that i liked and those are now slowly being manipulated by an audience who doesn't care for these games in the first place.

If you don't have anything relevant to say, maybe don't say anything?

Yes, it's troubling, but so far, it hasn't been much of an issue. It's as simple as that. To elaborate just a bit, I think things are pretty good right now, with potential to get worse.



sundin13 said:
Snoorlax said:

Sorry but i don't see how pandering to a certain crowd who doesn't even buy your games can be considered creative.

Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?

Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?

There is a loud minority that has definitely played a couple of games but whether they appreciate these games for what they are, artistically, or hate it for what is isn't is the real question.

In most PC- cases they hate the game for what it isn't and want everybody else to change the game to align it more to their PC believes or else everybody else is a racist homophobe, MK 11 is a clear example of that and that's my problem with Western entertainment these days.

and to answer your last question no they're not creative, they just change what's already there to their own political believes and forces everybody else to like it.

sales2099 said:
sundin13 said:

Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?

Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?

I believe far more democrats are more concerned with games being aligned with their beliefs then their desire to actually play them. Look no further then Twitter or Reddit. 

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Mnementh said:
Snoorlax said:

There are 2 main differences here.

1 - Studio Ghibli's most famous works weren't created to pander to a certain crowd who doesn't care about anime or kids movies, it had no political messages behind them just to be woke or progressive, they were just doing what they were good at, being creative and create art.

2 - Studio Ghibli is not American nor Western but Japanese and they create art based on Japanese culture and values which has a worldwide appeal, but guess what it isn't promoted anywhere in the western world because it's not PC.

Studio Ghibli is what the old Walt Disney used to be when it had real American values and wasn't the evil money hungry monopolistic corporation that it is today and is out to buy and destroy any chance of competition they can get.

1: I think you aren't aware how much political messaging Ghibli movies do. A testament about HOW WELL they do it.

As an example, many recent discussion was about putting female protagonists into movies and sometimes advertise the movie with the fact. Ghibli inserted female protagonists into the movies all the time, even back in the 80s. Nausicaä, Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, Whisper of the Heart, Princess Mononoke and Howl's Moving Castle all have female protagonists and Laputa and Porco Rosso have stong female characters in additional roles. That is of the movies I watched. In a way it is similar to what Hollywood is doing today, but Ghibli was always very good in integrating their characters naturally into the story.

Also the themes of war and natural protection are often to find in Ghibli movies. So yes, their movies pretty clearly have political messaging.

2: But the things I talk about aren't a difference between western and japanese culture. Other anime are missing these political themes Ghibli has often. Other anime have as often male protagonists as western movies. These differences are solely the result of Miyazaki's and Takahata's artistical visions compared to the rest of the industry.

1. Yes, but why is that political or groundbreaking? Disney made princess movies back in the 1930's 40's and 50's and nobody remembers those movies just for having female leading roles but because of the beautiful art and memorable stories, songs and characters. 

2. Miyazaki is great but he also criticized the anime industry. Not because modern anime aren't political but because they don't realistically depict real people instead the same anime tropes that get tiresome and with lots of recycled art that makes all anime look the same. Walt Disney used to be great and even influenced manga, but it had nothing to do with their movies being political, they just made good artsy movies.

What i'm trying to say is not everything has to be political especially not nowadays where "outsiders" decide what's okay and what's not okay for developers to create in their videogames. If it can be done in a good way like you said in your previous post then yeah, but why don't go ahead and make something new? Why change something that's already an established franchise for a minority that never cared for it.



Zkuq said:
Snoorlax said:

Well, what do you want me to say? Congratulations?

First you say it's troubling but you generally don't care for it, then you say only if History gets changed then you do care... Oh! and also remakes and stuff BUT you generally don't care it... Okay?

I for one do care, cause i invested lots of time and money in videogame franchises that i liked and those are now slowly being manipulated by an audience who doesn't care for these games in the first place.

If you don't have anything relevant to say, maybe don't say anything?

Yes, it's troubling, but so far, it hasn't been much of an issue. It's as simple as that. To elaborate just a bit, I think things are pretty good right now, with potential to get worse.

So, you replied just to explain that you know it's a problem, but you don't care for it, but you actually do care, but really you don't.

OK.



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Snoorlax said:
sundin13 said:

Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?

Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?

There is a loud minority that has definitely played a couple of games but whether they appreciate these games for what they are, artistically, or hate it for what is isn't is the real question.

In most PC- cases they hate the game for what it isn't and want everybody else to change the game to align it more to their PC believes or else everybody else is a racist homophobe, MK 11 is a clear example of that and that's my problem with Western entertainment these days.

and to answer your last question no they're not creative, they just change what's already there to their own political believes and forces everybody else to like it.

It never ceases to amaze me just how triggered some people get by leftists having opinions.

Have you ever stopped and thought for a moment "Maybe I am the loud minority"?



sundin13 said:
Snoorlax said:

There is a loud minority that has definitely played a couple of games but whether they appreciate these games for what they are, artistically, or hate it for what is isn't is the real question.

In most PC- cases they hate the game for what it isn't and want everybody else to change the game to align it more to their PC believes or else everybody else is a racist homophobe, MK 11 is a clear example of that and that's my problem with Western entertainment these days.

and to answer your last question no they're not creative, they just change what's already there to their own political believes and forces everybody else to like it.

It never ceases to amaze me just how triggered some people get by leftists having opinions.

Have you ever stopped and thought for a moment "Maybe I am the loud minority"?

No, everybody is allowed to have an opinion and i'm okay with that! BUT if you don't like scantally clad women in an established videogame franchise like MK well then maybe play something else? Why try to pressure and change the game for what it's known for? Because it's succesful and popular it needs to cater to those who generally don't like it as well?

That's my problem and it's really happening with Movies, comics and yes even videogames stop lying to yourself. 



sundin13 said:
Snoorlax said:

There is a loud minority that has definitely played a couple of games but whether they appreciate these games for what they are, artistically, or hate it for what is isn't is the real question.

In most PC- cases they hate the game for what it isn't and want everybody else to change the game to align it more to their PC believes or else everybody else is a racist homophobe, MK 11 is a clear example of that and that's my problem with Western entertainment these days.

and to answer your last question no they're not creative, they just change what's already there to their own political believes and forces everybody else to like it.

It never ceases to amaze me just how triggered some people get by leftists simply having opinions.

Have you ever stopped and thought for a moment "Maybe I am the loud minority"?

What you said applies to both sides of the spectrum.



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Snoorlax said:
sundin13 said:

It never ceases to amaze me just how triggered some people get by leftists having opinions.

Have you ever stopped and thought for a moment "Maybe I am the loud minority"?

No, everybody is allowed to have an opinion and i'm okay with that! BUT if you don't like scantally clad women in an established videogame franchise like MK well then maybe play something else? Why try to pressure and change the game for what it's known for? Because it's succesful and popular it needs to cater to those who generally don't like it as well?

That's my problem and it's really happening with Movies, comics and yes even videogames stop lying to yourself. 

Maybe they decided that they would play something else and market forces dictated that the games had to change in order to reach a larger audience? That's the free market, dog. You certainly seem to be adopting a very left wing perspective here if you are against the free market.

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sundin13 said:
Snoorlax said:

No, everybody is allowed to have an opinion and i'm okay with that! BUT if you don't like scantally clad women in an established videogame franchise like MK well then maybe play something else? Why try to pressure and change the game for what it's known for? Because it's succesful and popular it needs to cater to those who generally don't like it as well?

That's my problem and it's really happening with Movies, comics and yes even videogames stop lying to yourself. 

Maybe they decided that they would play something else and market forces dictated that the games had to change in order to reach a larger audience? That's the free market, dog. You certainly seem to be adopting a very left wing perspective here if you are against the free market.

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Agreed. Snoorlax is a communist.



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