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I don’t think there was such a time where political correctness wasn’t a thing in gaming.

Religious stuff has been censored since at least the mid-1980s with Christian symbolism often removed from games in the 8-bit era unless it had something to do with a cross and vampires. In fact, if anything, the ropes have been relaxed quite a lot over the past 20 years. Xenogears and Final Fantasy Tactics back in the late 1990s were major breakthroughs, and now that sort of stuff isn’t problematic any longer.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 30 March 2020

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RolStoppable said:
sales2099 said:

I believe far more democrats are more concerned with games being aligned with their beliefs then their desire to actually play them. Look no further then Twitter or Reddit. 

Creatively I don’t believe a democrat is on the same level as someone politically neutral or conservative. Because from the shows I’ve watched with a left wing slant, the bad guy almost always has a combination of: seeing themselves above women, is a racist, homophobe, and oppressing a marginalized group. It’s so predictable. It makes it so painfully obvious they want you to know who the bad guy is.

A proper way to be creative is to make characters with grey area. Nuance. To be willing to offend to make a greater point, especially when it concerns their own beliefs. Those are things left wing creatives just have a harder time doing.

Are you trying to tell me that in shows with a right wing slant, someone who sees themselves above women, is a racist, homophobe and oppressing a marginalized group wouldn't be a bad guy?

Nice deflection without talking the point I said in any way. Of course those people are bad guys. I’m saying real creativity has other motivations and grey area at play.

Ill use examples of Xbox titles I know. Gears of War was created with all male soldiers. Because women were only required to have babies. Now I believe women can do what they want with their bodies but here’s the kicker, the game lore gives you a grey area. Because the human population is so low women giving birth like an assembly line was necessary to create the next generation, if humanity survived the locust war. Even in Gears 3 we had women soldiers but they were either too old or infertile, because again healthy women were needed to keep the population alive. If that program didn’t happen Gears 4 would have far fewer humans alive. 

Halo, Xbox’s flagship franchise is built off the idea of kidnapped child soldiers. Who are conscripted, cloned to be given back to families, and they were surgically augmented with a 33% mortality rate to do what...kill human terrorists. While morally reprehensible the greater good would be to save the galactic economy from collapsing and the ensuing riots across human space but more importantly save the lives of millions of civilians who would no doubt be caught in the crossfire. 

Thats my point. Grey area. Being offensive to have a greater point. No way a Democrat can write a premise like these, as I said they make things painfully obvious black and white 



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Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

Your problem with playing with your daughter aren`t zombies and gore but short skirts that people use on the street every single day?

The inappropriate outfit(s) were not RE3 specific.  RE3 was an (excellent) example.  But yes.  Kids are impressionable and playing games that imply girls are only fit for eye candy isn't a smart move.  My girls are quite intelligent and are currently taking marital arts.  So I absolutely consider the message(s) games are sending before letting them play.  It is called being a responsible parent.    

I used RE3 because the example is perfection.  Jill is a highly trained combat expert, with access to combat gear.  Additionally, she survived the events at the Spencer Mansion.  She is going against enemies with sharp teeth, claws, etc.  She will be travelling through ruin and destruction.  Shards of metal, broken glass and fire.  **** me boots, tube top and mini skirt.  Yeah, totally.  Not silly at all.   

It makes as much sense as Drake running through the Gabon rainforest with only a sock over his genitals.  

So you are going to avoid any and all games that also have man behaving wrongly because as a responsible parent you don`t want them thinking man behave bad right? You will also avoid letting them see most girls using little clothing whenever they are hanging around?

There are plenty games with man protagonist using very little, unpractical or silly clothing as well.



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Otter said:
sales2099 said:

 But what if the game in question is from your favourite franchise since you were a kid? It’s not so easy to just drop the franchise you’ve loved for years. It’s not so black and white 

These things tend to not be a deal breaker. But it can still take away from the games story appeal. 

Whats an example for you? (The storyline being hurt)

Mass Effect Andromeda. Loved the trilogy because of the immersive galaxy of diverse aliens and cultures. 

Andromeda felt different from a story perspective and made some overtly left wing changes to the cultures of the aliens. Like I said, these weren’t deal breakers. I played the game and I enjoyed it in its own right. But it certainly didn’t make me feel the same as playing the trilogy...I couldn’t help noticing the changes. The Krogan and Asari changes are a couple off the top of my head.  

Last edited by sales2099 - on 30 March 2020

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DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

The inappropriate outfit(s) were not RE3 specific.  RE3 was an (excellent) example.  But yes.  Kids are impressionable and playing games that imply girls are only fit for eye candy isn't a smart move.  My girls are quite intelligent and are currently taking marital arts.  So I absolutely consider the message(s) games are sending before letting them play.  It is called being a responsible parent.    

I used RE3 because the example is perfection.  Jill is a highly trained combat expert, with access to combat gear.  Additionally, she survived the events at the Spencer Mansion.  She is going against enemies with sharp teeth, claws, etc.  She will be travelling through ruin and destruction.  Shards of metal, broken glass and fire.  **** me boots, tube top and mini skirt.  Yeah, totally.  Not silly at all.   

It makes as much sense as Drake running through the Gabon rainforest with only a sock over his genitals.  

1) So you are going to avoid any and all games that also have man behaving wrongly because as a responsible parent you don`t want them thinking man behave bad right?

2) You will also avoid letting them see most girls using little clothing whenever they are hanging around?

3) There are plenty games with man protagonist using very little, unpractical or silly clothing as well.

1) Certainly I consider the behaviors/actions of all characters, not just female.

2) Non sequitur.  The point is dressing appropriately for the task at hand.  I shouldn't have to say this, but attire for hanging at the mall is different than say fighting the zombie apocalypse.  Either you missed my entire point or are forming an argument that hasn't been made.  Either way you are off base here.    

3) Yes, and it is stupid.    



sales2099 said:
Otter said:

Whats an example for you? (The storyline being hurt)

Mass Effect Andromeda. Loved the trilogy because of the immersive galaxy of diverse aliens and cultures. 

Andromeda felt different from a story perspective and made some overtly left wing changes to the cultures of the aliens. Like I said, these weren’t deal breakers. I played the game and I enjoyed it in its own right. But it certainly didn’t make me feel the same as playing the trilogy...I couldn’t help noticing the changes. The Krogan and Asari changes are a couple off the top of my head.  

Mass Effect has always been liberal leaning though? So have bioware games in general. I'm only like 8hours into Andromeda so I can't really comment on it specifically but I can see its not up to the standard of old trilogy but for now absolutely nothing to do with trying to be PC lol



Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

1) So you are going to avoid any and all games that also have man behaving wrongly because as a responsible parent you don`t want them thinking man behave bad right?

2) You will also avoid letting them see most girls using little clothing whenever they are hanging around?

3) There are plenty games with man protagonist using very little, unpractical or silly clothing as well.

1) Certainly I consider the behaviors/actions of all characters, not just female.

2) Non sequitur.  The point is dressing appropriately for the task at hand.  I shouldn't have to say this, but attire for hanging at the mall is different than say fighting the zombie apocalypse.  Either you missed my entire point or are forming an argument that hasn't been made.  Either way you are off base here.    

3) Yes, and it is stupid.    

Fair enough. But what was the last time you thought bad of a female because chars were using few clothes or bad of males because a char made a vilaneous act?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

sales2099 said:
RolStoppable said:

Are you trying to tell me that in shows with a right wing slant, someone who sees themselves above women, is a racist, homophobe and oppressing a marginalized group wouldn't be a bad guy?

Nice deflection without talking the point I said in any way. Of course those people are bad guys. I’m saying real creativity has other motivations and grey area at play.

Ill use examples of Xbox titles I know. Gears of War was created with all male soldiers. Because women were only required to have babies. Now I believe women can do what they want with their bodies but here’s the kicker, the game lore gives you a grey area. Because the human population is so low women giving birth like an assembly line was necessary to create the next generation, if humanity survived the locust war. Even in Gears 3 we had women soldiers but they were either too old or infertile, because again healthy women were needed to keep the population alive. If that program didn’t happen Gears 4 would have far fewer humans alive. 

Halo, Xbox’s flagship franchise is built off the idea of kidnapped child soldiers. Who are conscripted, cloned to be given back to families, and they were surgically augmented with a 33% mortality rate to do what...kill human terrorists. While morally reprehensible the greater good would be to save the galactic economy from collapsing and the ensuing riots across human space but more importantly save the lives of millions of civilians who would no doubt be caught in the crossfire. 

Thats my point. Grey area. Being offensive to have a greater point. No way a Democrat can write a premise like these, as I said they make things painfully obvious black and white 

Those are grey areas? Humanity being in a war with aliens that demands sacrifices to be made in order to preserve the human species is something that virtually all humans will get behind. That isn't unlike the current real world situation where entire populations make sacrifices to their freedom in order to combat the coronavirus.

Your disdain for democrats inevitably makes me think that you are with republicans and your examples make me think of real world applications like separating parents and children of illegal immigrants in order to teach them a lesson, because while morally reprehensible, it's for the greater good of the US-American people.

The black and white thinking is also something that has to be clearly filed under republican traits in recent years, because Trump has fostered a mentality of "if you aren't with us, you are against us." And going further with this, you have the mentality of choosing a team and getting behind absolutely everything they do; the community here on VGC knows this from countless Xbox vs. anything discussions where you've been involved. So I look at your democrats vs. republicans view as the same thing. Whereas the average person doesn't give any thought to a racist homophobe being the main antagonist in a fictional story, you'd be going around and say that's a story written by a democrat.



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sales2099 said:
sundin13 said:

Are you trying to tell me that no democrat has ever played a video game?

Or that you can't be both creative and a democrat?

I believe far more democrats are more concerned with games being aligned with their beliefs then their desire to actually play them. Look no further then Twitter or Reddit. 

Creatively I don’t believe a democrat is on the same level as someone politically neutral or conservative. Because from the shows I’ve watched with a left wing slant, the bad guy almost always has a combination of: seeing themselves above women, is a racist, homophobe, and oppressing a marginalized group. It’s so predictable. It makes it so painfully obvious they want you to know who the bad guy is.

A proper way to be creative is to make characters with grey area. Nuance. To be willing to offend to make a greater point, especially when it concerns their own beliefs. Those are things left wing creatives just have a harder time doing.

This is truly ridiculous.

There are literally millions of creators on the left creating amazing art of all kinds. Innumerable musicians, authors, directors, actors, etc are creating amazing art every day. Some bring their politics into their work, others don't, but to say that you don't believe a democrat is on the same creative level is fucking bonkers and shows something seriously fucked in your worldview, dude.

And do you have any evidence that either Gears or Halo weren't created by democrats? Like, Cliffy B, the creator of Gears of War is a fucking Democrat. Check your biases...

Last edited by sundin13 - on 30 March 2020