I'm all for good competition. Drops prices drives innovation and so on. But I'm not gona root for someone who is definitely doing something wrong just cuz they need the boost. 7th and 8th gen ms does not get any good will from me and I'm pessimistic going into 9th. Phil's promises might come true but unroll they do I will prefer Sony to dominate than to prop up bad practices just for the sake of competition. 

Saw your edit late.

I don't think its the same. Ps3 slim solved the main issue of the ps3 such was the price. Xb1x gave more power. There where many issues with the launch of the x1 but power was just one and not the main one. Kinect was the main one and they got it. Games is their second biggest and I believe its truly their biggest flaw and it was not solved, it was basicly pushed for the new gen. More power for more money really dint do much and can see by the still lack of sales.

You've got a point, but devs won't forget PS3 or XB1 for a long time. XBSX will give devs new hope and they will try to push it as much as reasonably possible due to MS's renewed efforts. They don't want SNY getting too full of themselves again. Just look at the cross play push for example. Now the pubs though, how much they can push the devs to favor one console over another is hard to say. They certainly will favor the one that sells the most games, but I don't think the devs will fall in line like they may have decades ago. They both should know better by now as to what happens when you decide to basically go all in on just one brand, and need to keep an open mind going forward.

The hardware hasn't been the most exciting really, yet interesting. Hopefully the big excitement now comes with the games and prices.

*XB1(S) is a lot like PS3. Both were the wrong moves at the wrong time, and maybe just flat out dumb altogether. PS3 Slim and XB1X though were redeeming.

XB has suffered enough. It's a new gen and time to give them another chance. Gotta see if they run with it or piss it away.

Made my edit late, lol. Oops.

PS3 was a fairly significant change. BC didn't hinder making PS3 games themselves, but it held those games back way more than people think due to lack of sales through price. If PS3 had launched more like the Slim even at just $499, it would have sold so much better. $399 would have allowed it to quickly match 360 sales if not get ahead, but I have a hard time believing they could have launched that low by just removing BC and having it be a little smaller. Having the $599 'high end' model really hurt them, because that wasn't normal for consoles like it is for everything now, and people thought if they couldn't have the best, why bother. Not to mention the 'high end' 360's $200 lower price and momentum by then.

XB1 was basically a more affordable 'shitty PS3'. MS tried to do the same thing as SNY by creating an all in one box, but they skimped on the gaming portion of it to save cost, and then added something most didn't want on top with even more cost. By removing Kinect, like PS3 removing BC, they fixed the price issue. By adding Game Pass, they in their own way, partially fixed the games issue, like PS3 and it's later gen exclusives.

XB1X hasn't fixed things as much for MS as PS3 Slim did for SNY, but MS screwed up pretty darn bad, in a social media world, and PS has always had way more brand recognition to help drag them out of the mud.

I really don't get what people are thinking or expecting...

PS4 vs XB1
GPU: PS4 40% > XB1
Memory Bandwidth : PS4 250% > XB1 (lets even dropthat down to 150% due to the XB1's arbitrary ESRAM)
Resultant difference : PS4 1080p > XB1 900p (30% rez difference)

PS4pro vs XB1X
GPU : PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Memory bandwidth: PS4pro 50%< XB1X
Memory Quantity:PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Resultant Difference: (on average 30%-40% resolution difference in favor of XB1X)

PS5 vs XSX
GPU: PS5 18% < XSX
Memory Bandwidth: PS5 30% < XSX

And somehow... people are expecting there to be some sort of miracles being done here? Expecting anything more than a sub 20% difference in resolution as the only differentiating factor?

I really don't get what people are thinking or expecting...

PS4 vs XB1
GPU: PS4 40% > XB1
Memory Bandwidth : PS4 250% > XB1 (lets even dropthat down to 150% due to the XB1's arbitrary ESRAM)
Resultant difference : PS4 1080p > XB1 900p (30% rez difference)

PS4pro vs XB1X
GPU : PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Memory bandwidth: PS4pro 50%< XB1X
Memory Quantity:PS4pro 50% < XB1X
Resultant Difference: (on average 30%-40% resolution difference in favor of XB1X)

PS5 vs XSX
GPU: PS5 18% < XSX
Memory Bandwidth: PS5 30% < XSX

And somehow... people are expecting there to be some sort of miracles being done here? Expecting anything more than a sub 20% difference in resolution as the only differentiating factor?

Thats it... there is a reason why a 3% drop in clock speed can save as much as 10W of power and why something as simple as a map screen can make the GPU go crazy. But that's not what you asked lol.

And the people that say things like "just how big is that clock drop going to be", do not understand this fundamental part clocks and power draw. Eg, it can take 20W to get a chip from 1500Mh to 1800Mhz, but take 20W to get it from 1800Mhz to 1830Mhz.

I'm just sitting here wondering how the hell Sony and M$ are selling consoles with those specs for anything under $1000. I'm in need of a PC upgrade, and I've already given up on achieving parity with the XSeX because it throws the whole thing out of my price range. Let alone the GPUs and NVME drives.