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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Bandorr said:

I have no clue what DeadLine hollywood is. Their latest tweet (and article) are interesting. Either they are in a hell of a lot of trouble for being right, or Pence is going to catch a lot of shit.

They also had an article that went live and disappeared

https://deadline.com/2020/10/vice-president-mike-pence-tests-positive-has-coronavirus-after-donald-trump-1234594074/

Someones in a lot of trouble.

He did cancel his trip back home to Indiana to vote some 3 hours ago without explanation so far, and a positive test sounds like the only plausible reason so far for this abrupt cancellation.

It's weird that no site is covering it, and I don't know what to make of the silence.

You'd assume sites would at least report that this had been reported by deadline.



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While we wait, fact checks of the VP debate for anyone interested:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/08/fact-checking-2020-vice-presidential-debate-kamala/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/factchecking-the-vice-presidential-debate/



There is a good chance that that was a placeholder article that was written up for a likely outcome that was only supposed to go live if that outcome occurred. Pence's staff states that the cancellation of plans was in order to give him a rest before some busy weeks.

While it is entirely logical to doubt the administration's transparency, a Deadline Hollywood article that was mistakenly published probably shouldn't factor in to that. 



Gotta criticize Biden for his refusal to answer the court packing question. His response that it would dominate the headlines is kind of BS. Cause... I mean, it might, but that's an important issue that people have a right to know before voting.



JWeinCom said:
Gotta criticize Biden for his refusal to answer the court packing question. His response that it would dominate the headlines is kind of BS. Cause... I mean, it might, but that's an important issue that people have a right to know before voting.

Yes, well deserved criticism, but his refusal is basically an answer.  He obviously absolutely would support it, which the left wing would love.  The problem is Biden doesn’t want to anger the middle, which is why he isn’t confirming that he would.  The left will hold their nose and vote for Biden anyways because of trump, he needs the middle to vote for him.



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RolStoppable said:
SanAndreasX said:

I don't get the huge support Evangelicals give to Trump beyond them hoping he'll stack the courts enough to overturn the Roe and Obergefell decisions (they're already starting to make overturning Obergefell the next Roe-level rallying cry for the party). And the response of Evangelicals as a group to the coronavirus has been, frankly, abhorrent.

Besides spreading Qanon theories about Bill Gates, I've seen too many evangelicals posting some pretty cavalier stuff about how people are too afraid of death and should embrace death and trust God. I'm sorry, but that's a Jonestown level of religious insanity, and I won't back down from that stance. Ugh.

Why is it that the evangelicals are more supportive than the catholics? At least that's my takeaway from the most recent posts here. I am used to catholics being the more definite hardliners.

Obergefell concerns gay marriage, but what is Roe?

The US was a country to which evangelicals with very conservative views were going. You are more used to catholics and evangelicals in europe, in which case the catholics were the conservatives.

Roe v. Wade is a supreme court decision regarding abortion: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade



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gergroy said:
JWeinCom said:
Gotta criticize Biden for his refusal to answer the court packing question. His response that it would dominate the headlines is kind of BS. Cause... I mean, it might, but that's an important issue that people have a right to know before voting.

Yes, well deserved criticism, but his refusal is basically an answer.  He obviously absolutely would support it, which the left wing would love.  The problem is Biden doesn’t want to anger the middle, which is why he isn’t confirming that he would.  The left will hold their nose and vote for Biden anyways because of trump, he needs the middle to vote for him.

I totally get that, but again, people have the right to know.

I think he could also avoid backlash by simply saying that he'd be open to approving legislation which adjusted the appointment process to make the Court's composition more reflective of the will of the American people, and hopes that Democrats and Republicans will be able to work together to make changes we could all agree on.

Which is really what I'd like to see happen. I'm horrified by a 6-3 conservative majority but I wouldn't necessarily want a 6-3 liberal majority either. I think 5-4 is about where the court should be. I'd like to see a slight liberal lean, because the country as a whole has a slight liberal lean (at least as liberal is defined in the US). But with only a one vote lean, it's still very feasible to a good argument to overcome the inherent liberal advantage.

I actually think an 11 person Court with a 6-5 liberal edge, which is what would likely happen if they packed the court, is a good outcome, but I'd rather see something like that come about via reform that made the system less reliant on luck and timing and more responsive to shifts in the populace. Term limits, even some form of rotation or temporary judges, etc. I haven't given a ton of thought on reform, since it didn't seem likely until a few weeks ago, but I got to think there's a better system.



72 hours in Donald Trump's America after his return from the hospital:

Trump pulls out of coronavirus relief negotiations
Trump pulls out of future debates
Trump calls for his Justice Department to hand down criminal indictment of Biden, Obama, and Hillary Clinton
Trump, having learned nothing from hospitalization, plans to resume large rallies beginning on Saturday
Trump advisers consult with proponents of covid herd immunity (i.e. pro-mass infection) strategy
13 right wing militia members (men) charged with attempt to kidnap and "try" Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer for mask mandate, other covid measures

...*sighs*

Do you feel my exhaustion? And this is barely even an abnormal news cycle anymore.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 08 October 2020

Bandorr said:
Jaicee said:

72 hours in Donald Trump's America after his return from the hospital:

Trump pulls out of coronavirus relief negotiations
Trump pulls out of future debates
Trump, though clearly still contagious, plans to resume large rallies beginning on Saturday
Trump advisers consult with proponents of covid herd immunity (i.e. pro-mass infection) strategy
13 right wing militia members (men) charged with attempt to kidnap and "try" Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer for mask mandate, other covid measures

...*sighs*

Do you feel my exhaustion? And this is barely even an abnormal news cycle anymore.

Include his recent interview on Hannity.

They found little virus... if any... 

I just can't even...



I'm setting my foot down. These are my final predictions. Might be too Dem, but momentum and fundraising seem to be on their side.

 

Last edited by Moren - on 08 October 2020