You know by making this statement you do no good to your own arguments.  Basically you are trying to argue that the President should be given reason of doubt and that we should excuse his past to what he is today.  But then you conflict that argument by making statements like this.  

Ok. What did I mean by that statement since you seem to be an expert on what I think?

Yes, you should include relevant context. Please do next time.

I am perfectly calm. I use curse words when appropriate. Fuck this bullshit right here is the perfect response in that situation.

Claiming that I'm giving Biden the benefit of the doubt and not Trump is 100% an accusation of bias. 

At this point you're drifting straight into trolling which seems to be a pattern as you get shut down. This comment wasn't even addressed to you. Sundin is perfectly entitled to express his opinion without this snarky flaming. It adds nothing to the conversation, and only serves to criticize a user. 

I really don't like getting involved as a mod in situations where I'm also posting as a user... but your behavior in this thread is increasingly appearing to be in bad faith. We're falling into a pattern of making broad allegations you have not researched, failing to back them up, then getting really snippy and trolly when counterarguments are presented. If the pattern continues, I'll report the posts, and in the interest of fairness will take no part in discussing how to handle them with the other moderators.

You do that. Get other people to cancel me and then when everyone you find offensive is gone, you and Sundin and the other lefties can have a party. The fact that you dont see that you treat me like shit as well is astonishing. Do whatever you want. I really dont care anymore.

Edit: I'll just respond here to avoid further derailment.

If you think I have in any way treated you unfairly, please report any posts where I have. I do not have the power to hide reports from CGI, who handles all accusations against mods. You can also PM him directly. Anyone else who finds my posts problematic can do the same. You can also explain to me via a PM if there's anything that qualified as "treating you like shit" that is not technically a violation. I don't think I've posted anything that qualifies, but I've been wrong in the past and have apologized when called on it.

If you have anything further to say direct it to me or CGI through PMs.

EDIT: Nvm, not worth...

Damn right not worth it. But you keep snuggling up to former KKK members while supporting groups who tears down statues of people like Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass because they werent perfect in every way. Hypocrite.

Edit: At this point it seems like you just want to go down swinging. So, the prudent thing to do is thread ban. Claim it's because the evil leftists don't like what you're saying, but Sundin decided not to continue the argument, and you decided to antagonize and attack. Right or left, this is not appropriate behavior. The thread ban may or may not be lifted depending on what the mod team thinks. As I mentioned, I will not take any part in any further decisions regarding this. However, I would personally suggest cooling down, and probably take a little time off before posting in any other topics.

-JWeincom

Oh come on J, why haven't you disavowed your Klan ties? I mean...

Ya have to admit it's at least creative when someone manages to fabricate a way in which NOT supporting Donald Trump is a form of anti-black racism. I think Huey Newton over here has totally called your bluff.

Not really fair to keep going when they can't reply, so lets move on.

Sor-ry!

Calling Antifa terrorists is going a little overboard, as Trump does, yet no less worse than pretending like Antifa is just an idea. Aryan supremacy was also just an idea, and look at what it lead to. It's one thing if something is just an idea near conception. It's another if it's being put into violent practice, or used as cover for ill means. Antifa is tougher to properly label because they don't operate in a typical format. It makes it much easier to defend, whether that's by design or not. It doesn't however change the hate, chaos, violence, destruction, etc, caused because of it.

Well in terms of the numbers, it looks as though the accuracy is questionable. That's not to say they're false entirely. It does show left wing deaths which aren't zero, so if Antifa isn't considered terrorist then it should be considered left wing you would think. What exactly constitutes right wing for example, and at times, things that obviously don't seem right wing, are called right wing, can't help but make you wonder. Then there's the question about everything else besides direct deaths? Direct deaths are one thing, indirect are another, along with everything else. If a group burns down half a city, country wide in total, what does that equate to? That's not exactly easy to calculate and answer.

People need to be allowed to think freely and hold certain views, yes. It's how they put them into action if they decide to bring them into the public sphere. It's the reason why peaceful protests are legal, so as avoid hostile protests, for good reason. Just because you protest peacefully, doesn't mean you'll automatically get what you want either. Sometimes that's a good thing, and sometimes not. All people can do, is offer their best, and hope for the best. Nothings perfect and you don't always get what you want. Life's a waiting game, and to say it's complicated would be an understatement. Multiply that by 300 million unique viewpoints and you can't help but wonder how progress is ever made period. Gotta rise above. I agree.

The reason a conservative would have an issue with wishing death on someone has more to do with a question of morals. Now death penalty through the law is a little different because it's a system we put together and agreed to, but you still don't wish death on them, you decide logically based on their actions as per the system. While I would assume there is a very small fraction of people on the far right who might hate Dem politicians enough to wish an illness related death on them, which is vile, that doesn't speak for the vast majority of conservatives. That's not to say conservatives don't want people to pay for what they've done, but it must be agreed upon by the people, like the justice system. While it's not perfect, it's sure as heck more civil than many other ways we used to deal with people. Conservatives also don't like winning by default. Heaven forbid Biden got covid and died before the election. Conservatives would be sympathetic and disappointed. They don't want anyone to die unnecessarily and want to attempt winning legitimately based on playing by the rules of the system and what it allows.

Trumps not perfect and not the only one to blame. When you have an entire country to run, you're always going to piss some people off, especially those who don't vote for you. The American people being seemingly so divided also makes it harder for one leader to please both sides equally. The covid count is questionable in a lot of ways. The flu/cold typically kills around 60,000 Americans per year. How many of these people got covid instead of the flu and died? What about people dying up to 60 days after testing positive for covid, who recovered, then died in say an auto accident for example, which counted towards covid deaths? Forcing hospitals to hold off on services to focus on covid, while also heavily incentivizing them to diagnose as covid to keep money coming in was also brought to light. That's not to say no blame whatsoever lies with Trump, but the more information we have, the better we can ascertain how poor or well he handled things. The media likes to say American covid testing hasn't been the best because it should be based on pop, yet they don't do the same for deaths. Imagine that. Something people also don't ask themselves, if you want to put the blame solely on him, is how many Americans aren't dead because of Trump, like due to a booming economy for years? Beyond that, how many people worldwide aren't dead because of Trumps lack of war? I know these aren't easy to calculate, some would say impossible, but it's tough for everyone to do so because people don't like to focus on the good, typically the most negative, which is natural.

You can feel and think how you wish, but the problem is politics has been seeping into everyday life and in extremely negative ways like cancel culture for example. Conservatives didn't start that. They didn't bring political movements into sports, entertainment, etc. Everything that seems positive, also has a negative side to it. I don't hate anyone even if they hate me. I do dislike some people, but never to the level I wish them ill. It's a mindset that has served me well, so for people who do flat out hate, it makes me question them overall, but also makes me hope they can better themselves. I didn't always used to think as I do now, so people can change and hopefully for the better. Sometimes all you need is time.

A civil response is always welcome btw.