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Bofferbrauer2 said:
KLXVER said:

It already has in several democrat run cities. The mob rules now.

Well, they have too fill the power vacuum left by the president rather golfing at his clubs, tweeting nonsense or campaigning than actually ruling and leading the country. Since he does nothing at all, other people have to take over the helm.

If you truly think he has done nothing, then thats on you. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. Its hard to give props to someone you hate. I get that.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah and thats the problem. The democrats also really, really, really wants Trump gone. They have tried many different methods. Racism, sexism, Russia, stealing mail boxes, Covid etc. Whats a little voter fraud here and there?

Ask the republicans who exclude millions of voters with excessively strict and fallacious voter ID laws that filter out non-white voters by their names. Would that not be the case, the republican party already wouldn't have any chance at all in the elections.

They dont exclude millions of voters. They might be a bit too harsh though. Ill give you that.



KLXVER said:
Jaicee said:

Where do you see a tightening of the polls? The current moving average of polls has Biden leading Trump by a margin of 7.7 percentage points, which would be up from the 6.4 percentage point margin of two weeks ago. Two out of the three most recent ones (i.e. ones conducted since the running mate announcement) have Biden leading Trump by a full 10 points and even the outlier has Biden at fully 50% support. The running mate announcement appears to have added a point to Biden's overall support on balance. I'm not worried. I don't even think this election will necessarily be close.

Since when did people start taking the polls seriously again? I know 4 years is a long time ago, but still...

Since the polls in 2016 were within the margin of error outside of the Wisconsin ones.



newwil7l said:
KLXVER said:

Since when did people start taking the polls seriously again? I know 4 years is a long time ago, but still...

Since the polls in 2016 were within the margin of error outside of the Wisconsin ones.

Well then they must be within the margin now. So the democrats winning being a certainty cant be true this time either.



KLXVER said:
newwil7l said:

Since the polls in 2016 were within the margin of error outside of the Wisconsin ones.

Well then they must be within the margin now. So the democrats winning being a certainty cant be true this time either.

It isn't a certainty: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

If you scroll down to 'How the forecast has changed' and click on electoral votes, you can see how much room for changes actually is (the colored areas).



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KLXVER said:
newwil7l said:

Since the polls in 2016 were within the margin of error outside of the Wisconsin ones.

Well then they must be within the margin now. So the democrats winning being a certainty cant be true this time either.

Do you even think before you post? Biden's lead in Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are above the margin of error and winning those states secures a victory for Biden. 

Not to mention he has a very realistic shot of winning Wisconsin (hard to trust their polls thanks to 2016) and Arizona (where the polls overpredicted Trumps margin in 2016) as well.



KLXVER said:
gergroy said:

Have you tried fraudulently voting by mail?  It isn’t easy, there is a reason why it isn’t a big issue...

Have you? I mean you seem to know.

Just have a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slY_6b9d3yw&t=1s

Also, consider the outcome: All voter fraud so far had been in local elections in small counties with few inhabitants where singular votes can mean a lot. And those were all the cases of voter fraud, not just mail-in ballots, which only constituted a part of the 15 cases since 2003.

Compare that to the mass of votes one would need to change to flip even just one state, let alone an entire election. Nobody would even try to fraud mail-in ballots in a presidential election because it simply isn't worth it.

KLXVER said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Well, they have too fill the power vacuum left by the president rather golfing at his clubs, tweeting nonsense or campaigning than actually ruling and leading the country. Since he does nothing at all, other people have to take over the helm.

If you truly think he has done nothing, then thats on you. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. Its hard to give props to someone you hate. I get that.

I wouldn't hate him if he did something. But apart from boasting about stuff somebody else did before him, badmouthing people he doesn't like, bringing unwanted and illegal assistance and trying disinformation tactics about a virus that's ravaging the country, what did Trump do this year (apart from golfing and tweeting)?



Bofferbrauer2 said:
KLXVER said:

Have you? I mean you seem to know.

Just have a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slY_6b9d3yw&t=1s

Also, consider the outcome: All voter fraud so far had been in local elections in small counties with few inhabitants where singular votes can mean a lot. And those were all the cases of voter fraud, not just mail-in ballots, which only constituted a part of the 15 cases since 2003.

Compare that to the mass of votes one would need to change to flip even just one state, let alone an entire election. Nobody would even try to fraud mail-in ballots in a presidential election because it simply isn't worth it.

KLXVER said:

If you truly think he has done nothing, then thats on you. Nothing I say will convince you otherwise. Its hard to give props to someone you hate. I get that.

I wouldn't hate him if he did something. But apart from boasting about stuff somebody else did before him, badmouthing people he doesn't like, bringing unwanted and illegal assistance and trying disinformation tactics about a virus that's ravaging the country, what did Trump do this year (apart from golfing and tweeting)?

The peace treaty between Israel and UAE?



newwil7l said:
KLXVER said:

Well then they must be within the margin now. So the democrats winning being a certainty cant be true this time either.

Do you even think before you post? Biden's lead in Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are above the margin of error and winning those states secures a victory for Biden. 

Not to mention he has a very realistic shot of winning Wisconsin (hard to trust their polls thanks to 2016) and Arizona (where the polls overpredicted Trumps margin in 2016) as well.

Yeah, well we`ll see. I guess in the next election the margin will grow bigger.



KLXVER said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Just have a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slY_6b9d3yw&t=1s

Also, consider the outcome: All voter fraud so far had been in local elections in small counties with few inhabitants where singular votes can mean a lot. And those were all the cases of voter fraud, not just mail-in ballots, which only constituted a part of the 15 cases since 2003.

Compare that to the mass of votes one would need to change to flip even just one state, let alone an entire election. Nobody would even try to fraud mail-in ballots in a presidential election because it simply isn't worth it.

I wouldn't hate him if he did something. But apart from boasting about stuff somebody else did before him, badmouthing people he doesn't like, bringing unwanted and illegal assistance and trying disinformation tactics about a virus that's ravaging the country, what did Trump do this year (apart from golfing and tweeting)?

The peace treaty between Israel and UAE?

Fell into the mentioned time period and his term, true. But since he supported Israel's annexation of the West bank and dropping the claim of those parts by Israel being key to the treaty, he was more a hindrance than anything else for it. And considering Israel and UAE were getting closer for decades now, Trump mostly just got lucky with the timing.

But I conceed the point nontheless.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 18 August 2020