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DialgaMarine said:
Their first party titles are successful, and the library is pretty strong as is. As an avid PS user, I’m okay with having to buy new games, simply because that is what will guarantee the quality holds up in future titles. Sounds corporate slave-ish, but it’s the truth. Developers will not be as enticed to put forth effort if they know the game will just be cast into a giant clusterfuck where their product is mostly ignored unless it’s a huge name. Just how this shot goes.

Personally, I enjoy PS Now BECAUSE it’s mostly older games. It gives me a chance to play games from the past that I wasn’t able to enjoy before, while I wait for new AAA releases. I think it’s a great service, and Sony is doing a great job handling it.

Again, I am not suggesting PS Now needs to be Gamepass. I don't get the impression you read the OP.

Also, you ignore games that launch on subscription services can get more attention/players. MS tends to announce user numbers because of that very fact. So your theory games get ignored in subscription services is not reality. There are also indie games that get more attention from subscription services, not just AAA releases.

Content on Gamepass needs to be notable to keep people on the service. Content isn't just produced for Gamepass either. The content is sold outside of Gamepass and notable content is needed to hype the console.

The same applies to Netflix, HBO Go and other subscription services like that. They need to produce notable content to keep people. They don't thrive from a quantity of content, it needs to be good or atleast have an audience.

For $60 a year, I think PS Now is a good service for older games. In fact, I am saying it needs more old 1st party games from PS4.

Essentially everything you said is irrelevant because you seemingly didn't read my OP. Also, your assumptions seem inaccurate thus far.



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twintail said:

Considering how well Sony games are selling, and how much money they are making already off download purchases, unlike MS, there's no rush to push their titles onto the service.

I imagine the competitive MP segments of their PS5 games launch day 1 on the service though .

I mean not even Uncharted 4? That’s like 4 years ago. The name PS Now sounds a little more ironic to me then a day ago before I read this thread. 

The name comes from the idea that you can stream games without having to download/ install them. 



So if a few more first party titles were on it, it would be awesome....Yes, I'm drinking gasoline, MOTHER.

"Also, I was curious I couldn't find GTAV"....It's still topping physical sales charts, as it pushes ever further past the 100 million sales point. How curious are you? A "very special episode of Blossom" curious?

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COKTOE said:

So if a few more first party titles were on it, it would be awesome....Yes, I'm drinking gasoline, MOTHER.

"Also, I was curious I couldn't find GTAV"....It's still topping physical sales charts, as it pushes ever further past the 100 million sales point. How curious are you? A "very special episode of Blossom" curious?

A few more? There is a long list they could add to PLAYSTATION Now. I'm not just talking about content from the last couple years either, there is many games they could add that's 3+ years old.

In regard to GTAV, you've missed the point genius. It came and went surprisingly fast. Horizon Zero Dawn will also be removed next month even though that's a 1st party game.

Gamepass has a great selection of MS games. EA Access has a great selection of EA games. Disney+ has an impressive and growing selection of Disney content.

PS Now though... you like 1st party PS3 games? Great. You like Horizon:ZD? Good, but don't get attached because its leaving.

Yeah I know, I am asking for too much. Ya know... thinking PLAYSTATION Now should offer a good selection of old 1st party PS4 content, the content that makes PS4 unique, that's a crazy request. Sony may not even have access to that stuff.

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twintail said:
sales2099 said:

I mean not even Uncharted 4? That’s like 4 years ago. The name PS Now sounds a little more ironic to me then a day ago before I read this thread. 

The name comes from the idea that you can stream games without having to download/ install them. 

Still, I am blown away how little their 1st party games are on it (PS4). I mean GOW, Spider-Man, GT Sport, and others aren’t on Game Pass....but they aren’t on PS Now either. 

I get it. Sony is very traditional and is being extremely cautious that their service doesn’t impact full game purchases. But surely you must admit that they are perhaps being a little too careful? I mean any game that’s 3 years old won’t hurt the brand if it comes on the service.

And is pugsly right that HZD isn’t permanent and is leaving? It’s 1st party....everything is bizarro over here lol. Guess I’m spoiled. 



 

 

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sales2099 said:
twintail said:

The name comes from the idea that you can stream games without having to download/ install them. 

Still, I am blown away how little their 1st party games are on it (PS4). I mean GOW, Spider-Man, GT Sport, and others aren’t on Game Pass....but they aren’t on PS Now either. 

I get it. Sony is very traditional and is being extremely cautious that their service doesn’t impact full game purchases. But surely you must admit that they are perhaps being a little too careful? I mean any game that’s 3 years old won’t hurt the brand if it comes on the service.

And is pugsly right that HZD isn’t permanent and is leaving? It’s 1st party....everything is bizarro over here lol. Guess I’m spoiled. 

I'm not really sure what Sony titles not being on Game pass has to do anything. Like obviously they aren't right?

Sure, it does seem overly cautious. I'm not sure how well these are still selling. And i don't think PSNow has the reach it needs for them to do it more consistently. When PS now has wider reach, I'm sure they'll do more with their older titles. Just a guess.

When games are announced to be coming to the service, their period of availability is also stated. Horizon not being permanent has been known for nearly 3 months now.

The reasoning is most likely to not meddle with their more traditional model. But like Horizon on PC, it gives them the feedback they need to make these games permanent when the time comes to lean into the service more strongly.

Sony doesn't need to do that now whereas MS does. MS also can most likely not go back from their full push into the game pass service, whereas Sony can easily pivot into that model if needs be.



twintail said:
sales2099 said:

Still, I am blown away how little their 1st party games are on it (PS4). I mean GOW, Spider-Man, GT Sport, and others aren’t on Game Pass....but they aren’t on PS Now either. 

I get it. Sony is very traditional and is being extremely cautious that their service doesn’t impact full game purchases. But surely you must admit that they are perhaps being a little too careful? I mean any game that’s 3 years old won’t hurt the brand if it comes on the service.

And is pugsly right that HZD isn’t permanent and is leaving? It’s 1st party....everything is bizarro over here lol. Guess I’m spoiled. 

I'm not really sure what Sony titles not being on Game pass has to do anything. Like obviously they aren't right?

Sure, it does seem overly cautious. I'm not sure how well these are still selling. And i don't think PSNow has the reach it needs for them to do it more consistently. When PS now has wider reach, I'm sure they'll do more with their older titles. Just a guess.

When games are announced to be coming to the service, their period of availability is also stated. Horizon not being permanent has been known for nearly 3 months now.

The reasoning is most likely to not meddle with their more traditional model. But like Horizon on PC, it gives them the feedback they need to make these games permanent when the time comes to lean into the service more strongly.

Sony doesn't need to do that now whereas MS does. MS also can most likely not go back from their full push into the game pass service, whereas Sony can easily pivot into that model if needs be.

I am not sure what you mean by PS Now having, "reach." Do you mean audience? It's available to most PS4 users in regard to regions. US, Western Europe, Japan and probably others.

When you see news that a game is being added or Sony advertises a game on it, you don't necessarily see the length it will be there. Furthermore, there is an expectation 3rd party content comes and goes. But 1st party content leaving? That's pretty lame.

I think the idea of creating a cloud streaming service is non-traditional and its gone well beyond a PS3 BC solution. They give PC users access to hundreds of PS4 games, its just not much 1st party PS4 games they give access to. Frankly, next gen is months away at this point. I think its okay to give PS Now more 1st party PS4 games. Unless they want that same PS4 content to help sell PS5? Maybe like patched versions of those games. Maybe...

Now I didn't create this thread to say Sony should do exactly what MS does. BUT when I saw Horizon:ZD is on PS Now, that gave me the impression it has better 1st party PS4 support than it actually does.

Sony has been very generous with PS4 content on PS Now and that's awesome. But holy fuck, I'd like to see more Sony PS4 games on a this Sony service.



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Mr Puggsly said:
COKTOE said:

So if a few more first party titles were on it, it would be awesome....Yes, I'm drinking gasoline, MOTHER.

"Also, I was curious I couldn't find GTAV"....It's still topping physical sales charts, as it pushes ever further past the 100 million sales point. How curious are you? A "very special episode of Blossom" curious?

A few more? There is a long list they could add to PLAYSTATION Now. I'm not just talking about content from the last couple years either, there is many games they could add that's 3+ years old.

In regard to GTAV, you've missed the point genius. It came and went surprisingly fast. Horizon Zero Dawn will also be removed next month even though that's a 1st party game.

Gamepass has a great selection of MS games. EA Access has a great selection of EA games. Disney+ has an impressive and growing selection of Disney content.

PS Now though... you like 1st party PS3 games? Great. You like Horizon:ZD? Good, but don't get attached because its leaving.

Yeah I know, I am asking for too much. Ya know... thinking PLAYSTATION Now should offer a good selection of old PS4 content is a crazy request. Sony may not even have access to that stuff.

I missed the point? You're not serious, right? To reiterate, GTA V is still topping physical and digital sales charts almost 7 years after it's release. There's nothing to be curious about. It undoubtedly makes more sense to continue selling it separately.

I have no use for it personally, but the PS4 content on Now IS good. It's a good value proposition. Feel free to complile and post the list of games missing from Now. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling any such list will look inconsequential when weighted against the overall available library. 

There is no mystery as to why Sony is taking the stance they are with Now. Of COURSE they're taking a slightly different approach. PS to Xbox is not a 1:1 comparison. The point of entry has been different for a long time. With Xbox....Just nonstop console sales, and free game bundles. Almost all gen. I can't recall anything like it in the history of gaming, aside from short spells with companies that have given up, and are having "going out of business" liquidations. Now Gamepass. I mean, for sure, if you're in the market for Xbox, it's been pretty swell to buy into it for the past 5 or so years.

As for Horizon: Zero Dawn.... A game that is already one of the biggest selling exclusives, also given away with PS+ subs, available for dirt cheap at retail and the PS Store, and coming to PC next summer. Don't get attached! If you don't already have it, you might not get to play it after it disappears from Now and a comet wipes out civilization. I'll take your word for it that it's leaving Now next month. I would hazard a guess that it's absence will have little-to-no negative impact.

And doesn't Xbox cap the Gamepass library and rotate games in and out every month or so? I swear I see articles about games entering and disappearing from Gamepass. Better fucking buckle down and finish MGS V and Forza 5 before they're gone, and you have to choose between buying them for the price of a happy meal, or never playing them again, just like PS Now subscribers with Horizon, right?



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COKTOE said:

I missed the point? You're not serious, right? To reiterate, GTA V is still topping physical and digital sales charts almost 7 years after it's release. There's nothing to be curious about. It undoubtedly makes more sense to continue selling it separately.

I have no use for it personally, but the PS4 content on Now IS good. It's a good value proposition. Feel free to complile and post the list of games missing from Now. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling any such list will look inconsequential when weighted against the overall available library. 

There is no mystery as to why Sony is taking the stance they are with Now. Of COURSE they're taking a slightly different approach. PS to Xbox is not a 1:1 comparison. The point of entry has been different for a long time. With Xbox....Just nonstop console sales, and free game bundles. Almost all gen. I can't recall anything like it in the history of gaming, aside from short spells with companies that have given up, and are having "going out of business" liquidations. Now Gamepass. I mean, for sure, if you're in the market for Xbox, it's been pretty swell to buy into it for the past 5 or so years.

As for Horizon: Zero Dawn.... A game that is already one of the biggest selling exclusives, also given away with PS+ subs, available for dirt cheap at retail and the PS Store, and coming to PC next summer. Don't get attached! If you don't already have it, you might not get to play it after it disappears from Now and a comet wipes out civilization. I'll take your word for it that it's leaving Now next month. I would hazard a guess that it's absence will have little-to-no negative impact.

And doesn't Xbox cap the Gamepass library and rotate games in and out every month or so? I swear I see articles about games entering and disappearing from Gamepass. Better fucking buckle down and finish MGS V and Forza 5 before they're gone, and you have to choose between buying them for the price of a happy meal, or never playing them again, just like PS Now subscribers with Horizon, right?

I'm gonna keep this simple. I said PS Now is an impressive service for the price. But I think everybody in this thread would also agree it should have more 1st party PS4 content given it does push PS4 games and its run by Sony. Nobody expects day one stuff, but games that are 3+ years old won't have a negative impact on PS4, especially with the successor around the corner.

In the near future we're probably gonna see many PS5 games on PS Now, perhaps that's when Uncharted 4 will finally be added.

You've just made a compelling argument why Horizon:ZD really should stay on PS Now. It's notable title for the service and many already own it. Also, if Sony is allowing it on PC, what's the benefit of removing it from PS Now? People might subscribe to PS Now instead? God forbid!

Again, I said there is an expectation for 3rd party content to come and go. Something like Forza leaving would be a licensing issue. We won't have to see any Gran Turismo or MLB The Show games leave PS Now because they aren't there. Your examples are ignorant when compared to a 1st party game like Horizon:ZD being removed.

Your response is a bunch of nonsense. Your wit doesn't hide your lack of valid arguments.



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Mr Puggsly said:
twintail said:

I'm not really sure what Sony titles not being on Game pass has to do anything. Like obviously they aren't right?

Sure, it does seem overly cautious. I'm not sure how well these are still selling. And i don't think PSNow has the reach it needs for them to do it more consistently. When PS now has wider reach, I'm sure they'll do more with their older titles. Just a guess.

When games are announced to be coming to the service, their period of availability is also stated. Horizon not being permanent has been known for nearly 3 months now.

The reasoning is most likely to not meddle with their more traditional model. But like Horizon on PC, it gives them the feedback they need to make these games permanent when the time comes to lean into the service more strongly.

Sony doesn't need to do that now whereas MS does. MS also can most likely not go back from their full push into the game pass service, whereas Sony can easily pivot into that model if needs be.

I am not sure what you mean by PS Now having, "reach." Do you mean audience? It's available to most PS4 users in regard to regions. US, Western Europe, Japan and probably others.

When you see news that a game is being added or Sony advertises a game on it, you don't necessarily see the length it will be there. Furthermore, there is an expectation 3rd party content comes and goes. But 1st party content leaving? That's pretty lame.

I think the idea of creating a cloud streaming service is non-traditional and its gone well beyond a PS3 BC solution. They give PC users access to hundreds of PS4 games, its just not much 1st party PS4 games they give access to. Frankly, next gen is months away at this point. I think its okay to give PS Now more 1st party PS4 games. Unless they want that same PS4 content to help sell PS5? Maybe like patched versions of those games. Maybe...

Now I didn't create this thread to say Sony should do exactly what MS does. BUT when I saw Horizon:ZD is on PS Now, that gave me the impression it has better 1st party PS4 support than it actually does.

Sony has been very generous with PS4 content on PS Now and that's awesome. But holy fuck, I'd like to see more Sony PS4 games on a this Sony service.

I meant in terms of regions they support. PS Now seems to cover 19 countries, which isn't even half of which the PS brands operates. Notably, the Middle East and Asia is missing from the PS Now service, and these represent areas that Sony have gained a lot of traction during this gen. Of course, it seems more countries are coming and I do feel this expansion is probably more of a focus for the time being. 

Sure, I agree that one might not see the expiry period, but it is mentioned per game. 

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2019/12/17/horizon-zero-dawn-uncharted-the-lost-legacy-and-more-join-ps-now-in-january/

This blogspot mentions the date in the opening picture, and in the description for each game in the article. Additionally, they even provide the expiry dates for the games are still available. As for 1st party content leaving? Sure, it is lame. But they are dipping their toes for whatever their strategy is going forward. 

I wouldn't be surprised if PS5 patches are coming. Horizon, I feel, is most definitely getting one now that a PC version is coming, and I suspect the PC specs will be what we can expect from the PS5 patch. Since we will not effectively have a digital ecosystem that seems to be future-proof, Sony could be looking at their games slightly different than before. 

I do think that PSNow is currently in an experimentation phase and PS5 will kick off whatever the 'new' PS Now will represent. It's just a hunch of course. The service can be better and hopefully Sony continues making efforts to that aim. I don't think it is currently an ideal service (I don't subscribe to it even though I think cloud gaming/ service model is apt) but it holds promise. I myself expect their content to still not arrive Day 1 on the service, but perhaps the competitive MP segments of their games will?