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Mr Puggsly said:

I am not sure what you mean by PS Now having, "reach." Do you mean audience? It's available to most PS4 users in regard to regions. US, Western Europe, Japan and probably others.

When you see news that a game is being added or Sony advertises a game on it, you don't necessarily see the length it will be there. Furthermore, there is an expectation 3rd party content comes and goes. But 1st party content leaving? That's pretty lame.

I think the idea of creating a cloud streaming service is non-traditional and its gone well beyond a PS3 BC solution. They give PC users access to hundreds of PS4 games, its just not much 1st party PS4 games they give access to. Frankly, next gen is months away at this point. I think its okay to give PS Now more 1st party PS4 games. Unless they want that same PS4 content to help sell PS5? Maybe like patched versions of those games. Maybe...

Now I didn't create this thread to say Sony should do exactly what MS does. BUT when I saw Horizon:ZD is on PS Now, that gave me the impression it has better 1st party PS4 support than it actually does.

Sony has been very generous with PS4 content on PS Now and that's awesome. But holy fuck, I'd like to see more Sony PS4 games on a this Sony service.

I meant in terms of regions they support. PS Now seems to cover 19 countries, which isn't even half of which the PS brands operates. Notably, the Middle East and Asia is missing from the PS Now service, and these represent areas that Sony have gained a lot of traction during this gen. Of course, it seems more countries are coming and I do feel this expansion is probably more of a focus for the time being. 

Sure, I agree that one might not see the expiry period, but it is mentioned per game. 

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2019/12/17/horizon-zero-dawn-uncharted-the-lost-legacy-and-more-join-ps-now-in-january/

This blogspot mentions the date in the opening picture, and in the description for each game in the article. Additionally, they even provide the expiry dates for the games are still available. As for 1st party content leaving? Sure, it is lame. But they are dipping their toes for whatever their strategy is going forward. 

I wouldn't be surprised if PS5 patches are coming. Horizon, I feel, is most definitely getting one now that a PC version is coming, and I suspect the PC specs will be what we can expect from the PS5 patch. Since we will not effectively have a digital ecosystem that seems to be future-proof, Sony could be looking at their games slightly different than before. 

I do think that PSNow is currently in an experimentation phase and PS5 will kick off whatever the 'new' PS Now will represent. It's just a hunch of course. The service can be better and hopefully Sony continues making efforts to that aim. I don't think it is currently an ideal service (I don't subscribe to it even though I think cloud gaming/ service model is apt) but it holds promise. I myself expect their content to still not arrive Day 1 on the service, but perhaps the competitive MP segments of their games will?

Countries don't account for equal sales. The relatively small number of countries that support PS Now accounts for most of the PS4 userbase.

I think adding hundreds of PS4 games to PS Now is well beyond dipping their toe. It looks like a just a few 1st party PS4 games are permanent. I feel the end conclusion is going to be their 1st party additions should have been better.

Agreed, there will likely be a PS5 patch for Horizon:ZD. Numerous games might get patches so they're 4K and maybe 60 fps on PS5. However, there is also a long list of 1st party PS4 games that won't get that treatment and could make PS Now a better service.

PS Now is beyond an experiment. At one time it was seen as a PS3 BC solution. Now much of the library on the service is PS4 content. Sony just seem to be afraid to pull the trigger when it comes to putting their PS4 games on PS Now, even old stuff that didn't sell particularly well.



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Mr Puggsly said:

Countries don't account for equal sales. The relatively small number of countries that support PS Now accounts for most of the PS4 userbase.

I think adding hundreds of PS4 games to PS Now is well beyond dipping their toe. It looks like a just a few 1st party PS4 games are permanent. I feel the end conclusion is going to be their 1st party additions should have been better.

Agreed, there will likely be a PS5 patch for Horizon:ZD. Numerous games might get patches so they're 4K and maybe 60 fps on PS5. However, there is also a long list of 1st party PS4 games that won't get that treatment and could make PS Now a better service.

PS Now is beyond an experiment. At one time it was seen as a PS3 BC solution. Now much of the library on the service is PS4 content. Sony just seem to be afraid to pull the trigger when it comes to putting their PS4 games on PS Now, even old stuff that didn't sell particularly well.

Yeah that is true. I meant in terms of reach but I suppose that wasn't explicit enough. I do think they will go for more coverage as we head into the PS5. Only for PS5's launch do I see real changes being made.

By dipping their toes I meant Sony's own software. Will ppl sign up t play their games? How long will ppl send on their games? Do ppl finish the game? among other things.

Sure, for stuff like the Order, there is most likely no loss over that being moved over. 

Questionable. Like I get what you mean but we are currently seeing a different phase of PS Now. Pushing for bigger 3rd party content. Putting their content on, even if via rotation, lowering the prices. While I understand the question over older games, I don't think there is much discussion for their newer titles. 

It's interesting times for the service. 



Mr Puggsly said:
DialgaMarine said:
Their first party titles are successful, and the library is pretty strong as is. As an avid PS user, I’m okay with having to buy new games, simply because that is what will guarantee the quality holds up in future titles. Sounds corporate slave-ish, but it’s the truth. Developers will not be as enticed to put forth effort if they know the game will just be cast into a giant clusterfuck where their product is mostly ignored unless it’s a huge name. Just how this shot goes.

Personally, I enjoy PS Now BECAUSE it’s mostly older games. It gives me a chance to play games from the past that I wasn’t able to enjoy before, while I wait for new AAA releases. I think it’s a great service, and Sony is doing a great job handling it.

Again, I am not suggesting PS Now needs to be Gamepass. I don't get the impression you read the OP.

Also, you ignore games that launch on subscription services can get more attention/players. MS tends to announce user numbers because of that very fact. So your theory games get ignored in subscription services is not reality. There are also indie games that get more attention from subscription services, not just AAA releases.

Content on Gamepass needs to be notable to keep people on the service. Content isn't just produced for Gamepass either. The content is sold outside of Gamepass and notable content is needed to hype the console.

The same applies to Netflix, HBO Go and other subscription services like that. They need to produce notable content to keep people. They don't thrive from a quantity of content, it needs to be good or atleast have an audience.

For $60 a year, I think PS Now is a good service for older games. In fact, I am saying it needs more old 1st party games from PS4.

Essentially everything you said is irrelevant because you seemingly didn't read my OP. Also, your assumptions seem inaccurate thus far.

Games need to make a profit. In theory, yes they could make money from a pool resource like PS Now, or GamePass, but that’s assuming the money they get from that pool is based on how many people actually play their game. Game saturation will always be a concern in this instance. Could Sony do it better be releasing AAA PS4 titles on it more often, sure, but why do it if a game already sells extremely well?



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Mr Puggsly said:
Random_Matt said:
You want everything for a cheap one off price. I would rather Sony keep their current approach.

Actually, I'd pay more if they made a better effort.

I'm confused by what the goal is though. Do they want to turn PS Now into a Netflix/Gamepass type of service? If so, I think the PC support becomes an issue. Given Sony clearly doesn't want PC users accessing much 1st party content.

If anything PS Now should just be for PS1/PS2/PS3 games and focus on making that library as robust as possible. And again, let people access PS1/PS2/PS3 games they own digitally if publishers approve. Much like how BC on Xbox works.

While PS4 and PS5 should get a Gamepass service for maybe $60 a year and maybe it would have 100-200 games, but without day one launch games.

Instead Sony is lumping this together and its a mess.

I don't think Sony wants it to be like Gamepass or netflix but more as a service for those who want to play last gen games. In the end, Sony's focus is much more on selling their consoles. By releasing a streaming version of PS Now on pc, a bigger audience gets a small taste in the hope that'll convince them to buy one. Who knows, maybe that will change, but I sure hope not. At least not in the beginning of a new console generation where Sony has to build their install base from scratch. 



Mr Puggsly said:
0D0 said:

We need to give Sony more time. PS Now gets better every year. It'll keep getting better.

Personally, my PS Now subscription is worth more than having a second console like a Switch. I've played so many good games there.

Time isn't the issue, the service is like 6 years old.

I agree the service has improved over the years, but its not because time passed. Its because Sony has allowed it be better.

I'm not sure if the price cut was done to stimulate subscriptions or an admission the service was too expensive for what it is.

Have time passed when you were writing your post? Time passes when Sony improve things. Time has passed during this 6 years while Sony has improved PS Now a lot and it'll pass while Sony keeps improving it. They know they've got to compete with Google, MS and all of them on streaming services.

Now i've got to give you some time for you to reply.



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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

It all depends what you call better 1st party support. Because probably you would like to have something like gamepass and day one, that certainly would have a big impact on PS4 revenue.

And if you think Sony is afraid of it and that they do have more data than us and is better at analyzing the market (they have won 3 of 4 gens after all) then you shouldn't be asking if I think it would hurt. Sony wouldn't do it for the lols, so I believe they are doing the best decision for their business.

If the person have a PS4 and use the service to download those games then Sony would be losing sales of the games. And for the reason they put some games, may be similar to why HZD will launch on PC to test and validate their hypothesis, see how much it would impact sales of those games and also how it affects the subscription.

Just look at PS+ they had made a service that offered a lot of value for the yearly sub, but had like 2M subs when multiplayer wasn't there but great games were given away. When they changed to MP locked but not many good games gave away they are now about 40M subs. Seems like they validate that the best way to nick and dime users were locking MP instead of offering better games. They may be doing this type of test on PSNow.

Sure it wouldn't nose dive. Still why would Sony decide for a setup that would give less profit? But yes even though I have no access to PSNow in Brazil and I prefer to own, yes it would be good for the service and should get more subs (we don't have numbers to estimate the impact in profit, but Sony seems to consider it would be negative) if they had more first party content.

My ideal is Sony would copy Gamepass, but that's unlikely nor what this thread is about. I clarified the service should at least have most 1st party content that's several years old. I feel Uncharted 4 and Infamous:SS are reasonable requests, and so should God of War in the near future.

If not giving PS Now fairly recent content was best, it shouldn't have Horizon:ZD or Uncharted:LL. You see Sony as an infallible company due to their success, I don't.

Horizon is coming to PC now because the console version's sales have mostly dried up and perhaps they want to hype the sequel. Sony has already allowed a bunch of games on PC and they have data from that. This is just a rare exception where it will be a true 1st party game coming to PC.

We all knew (or should have known) that PS+ was a stepping stone to copying Xbox Live. Sony knew there was money to be made charging for MP because MS proved it. Although, I do credit Sony for making free games part of the service.

Adding more 1st party content to PS Now could actually increase revenue. We have to assume games like Horizon and Uncharted:LL came to PS Now to boost subscriptions.

Again, I just pointed out Gravity Rush 2 is on PS Now, but exclusive to PS4 users. That means I can't access it on the PC. Frankly, that's bullshit. But maybe Sony should do more of that if they're truly concerned what PC users can access. Let PS4 users have access to more exclusives and tell PC users to suck a dick.

I see GamePass as a sort of a glorified cut price/free deal from a console that doesn't have a very strong first party offer and failed to sell as much as last gen. It's a truly magnificent package for sure, GamePass is great, but it came more from a "lack of options" strategy than a "let's make the best streaming service ever" strategy.

Again, the deal is brilliant, but it's not something that Sony should just copy, because they have better options, like just selling their games which they've been doing well. Sony is also not the only one: Nintendo is not giving out their games on cheap subscription either. They don't even have streaming in the first place.

It seems to me that the only one eager to gain from streaming subscription is Xbox. Game changer for the industry moving forward? Perhaps, but it's not like PS Now is bad and haven't improved a lot since it first started (and it started way back when no other big company was doing it).

DialgaMarine said:
Their first party titles are successful, and the library is pretty strong as is. As an avid PS user, I’m okay with having to buy new games, simply because that is what will guarantee the quality holds up in future titles. Sounds corporate slave-ish, but it’s the truth. Developers will not be as enticed to put forth effort if they know the game will just be cast into a giant clusterfuck where their product is mostly ignored unless it’s a huge name. Just how this shot goes.

Personally, I enjoy PS Now BECAUSE it’s mostly older games. It gives me a chance to play games from the past that I wasn’t able to enjoy before, while I wait for new AAA releases. I think it’s a great service, and Sony is doing a great job handling it.

Same thing here.



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DialgaMarine said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, I am not suggesting PS Now needs to be Gamepass. I don't get the impression you read the OP.

Also, you ignore games that launch on subscription services can get more attention/players. MS tends to announce user numbers because of that very fact. So your theory games get ignored in subscription services is not reality. There are also indie games that get more attention from subscription services, not just AAA releases.

Content on Gamepass needs to be notable to keep people on the service. Content isn't just produced for Gamepass either. The content is sold outside of Gamepass and notable content is needed to hype the console.

The same applies to Netflix, HBO Go and other subscription services like that. They need to produce notable content to keep people. They don't thrive from a quantity of content, it needs to be good or atleast have an audience.

For $60 a year, I think PS Now is a good service for older games. In fact, I am saying it needs more old 1st party games from PS4.

Essentially everything you said is irrelevant because you seemingly didn't read my OP. Also, your assumptions seem inaccurate thus far.

Games need to make a profit. In theory, yes they could make money from a pool resource like PS Now, or GamePass, but that’s assuming the money they get from that pool is based on how many people actually play their game. Game saturation will always be a concern in this instance. Could Sony do it better be releasing AAA PS4 titles on it more often, sure, but why do it if a game already sells extremely well?

Content on subscription services is a source revenue as well. For example we saw Forza Horizon 4 sold well and likely encouraged people to sign up for Gamepass. Not everybody wants to be on subscription service.

I am not gonna respond to the rest of your comment because I am not entirely sure what you're saying.



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0D0 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Time isn't the issue, the service is like 6 years old.

I agree the service has improved over the years, but its not because time passed. Its because Sony has allowed it be better.

I'm not sure if the price cut was done to stimulate subscriptions or an admission the service was too expensive for what it is.

Have time passed when you were writing your post? Time passes when Sony improve things. Time has passed during this 6 years while Sony has improved PS Now a lot and it'll pass while Sony keeps improving it. They know they've got to compete with Google, MS and all of them on streaming services.

Now i've got to give you some time for you to reply.

Wow, what a dumb response.

PS Now is technically a great a service, it takes time and money to create that.

Sony putting more old 1st party PS4 could probably happen instantly. The problem is no desire to do that.

Hence, time isn't the issue. I think their strategy of holding back 1st party content is bad strategy in regard to growing the service. I'm reluctant to recommend the service for that very reason.



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Mr Puggsly said:
0D0 said:

Have time passed when you were writing your post? Time passes when Sony improve things. Time has passed during this 6 years while Sony has improved PS Now a lot and it'll pass while Sony keeps improving it. They know they've got to compete with Google, MS and all of them on streaming services.

Now i've got to give you some time for you to reply.

Wow, what a dumb response.

PS Now is technically a great a service, it takes time and money to create that.

Sony putting more old 1st party PS4 could probably happen instantly. The problem is no desire to do that.

Hence, time isn't the issue. I think their strategy of holding back 1st party content is bad strategy in regard to growing the service. I'm reluctant to recommend the service for that very reason.

Wow, what an idiotic reply, Mr Puggly.

Desire doesn't drive business decisions. Even if it was just about desiring to do so, they would still have to wait some time before all other profit options dry. Adding any PS4 1st party game to PS Now would be a mistake. They would have lost those sales for no reason other than desire.

Hence, desire isn't the issue. It's business. It's profit. PS Now is a way to streaming a good collection of games that, after reasonable time though those years, have grown. There might be a time in the future where Sony will be profiting from PS5 games and PS Now might get those PS4 titles. PS Now so far is a sort of a "virtual console" and I believe it's one of its purposes. GamePass is a different thing. GamesPass is not only about streaming, it's more a kinda glorified sales deal from a console that hasn't been benefiting very well from its regular game sales.



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0D0 said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Wow, what a dumb response.

PS Now is technically a great a service, it takes time and money to create that.

Sony putting more old 1st party PS4 could probably happen instantly. The problem is no desire to do that.

Hence, time isn't the issue. I think their strategy of holding back 1st party content is bad strategy in regard to growing the service. I'm reluctant to recommend the service for that very reason.

Wow, what an idiotic reply, Mr Puggly.

Desire doesn't drive business decisions. Even if it was just about desiring to do so, they would still have to wait some time before all other profit options dry. Adding any PS4 1st party game to PS Now would be a mistake. They would have lost those sales for no reason other than desire.

Hence, desire isn't the issue. It's business. It's profit. PS Now is a way to streaming a good collection of games that, after reasonable time though those years, have grown. There might be a time in the future where Sony will be profiting from PS5 games and PS Now might get those PS4 titles. PS Now so far is a sort of a "virtual console" and I believe it's one of its purposes. GamePass is a different thing. GamesPass is not only about streaming, it's more a kinda glorified sales deal from a console that hasn't been benefiting very well from its regular game sales.

Good, you gave up on the time argument because it was objectively ignorant. Time is clearly not the issue, the issue is Sony.

Now we agree.

A lot of the titles I am suggesting have been dirt cheap from discounts or given away on PS+. I am not necessarily suggesting PS Now get titles that still sell well or are relatively new. Although, content like that would bring in subscribers.

PS Now is not a free service. Therefore if people subscribe to play 1st party content then 1st party software is still generating revenue.

I think the your Gamepass and Xbox One comments at the end are irrelevant but I will entertain it. Gamepass in theory can fund games with millions of subscribers so its not just a "sales deal." Gamepass with enough subscribers can be a great source of revenue meanwhile games still sell on their own.

Lastly, Xbox One software sales have appeared to be doing well and I imagine the added PC support has helped greatly. So MS games can be profitable even if competitors are having more success.

Not everything Sony has done succeeded either. They had flops, studios have been closed or sold. Yet even their failures aren't found on PS Now.



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