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DonFerrari said:
Considering how much the games Sony publishes are selling even year after release and how PS4 is still selling compared to the number of subs on PSNow I would say their focus right now is to not impact the sales of HW and SW while on PSNow they work on the service and quality itself because adding content would be the "easier" part after that either by putting their full backlog of 1st party or signing deals. But that would make sense after the service is mature enough to be a money bringer instead of impacting what is currently bringing major money (PS+, PS4 sold at good profit, and 1st party record breaking sales... gamepass type service would create a big impact on it).

Simple question, do you think better 1st party support on PS Now would hurt PS4's output and/or performance? I think the obvious answer if not really if at all.

We actually agree Sony is afraid PS4 sales could be affected if Sony gave PS Now better support. However, there is plenty of PS4 content Sony could add that's 3+ years old and isn't moving much if any hardware. I made a list of numerous titles, I even forgot to mention Infamous:SS.

If the concern is PS Now could steal any sales from PS4, maybe it shouldn't have any PS4 content. It certainly shouldn't have Uncharted Lost Legacy and Horizon:ZD. I really don't think Sony adding 1st party games that are 3-4+ years old on PS Now would hurt PS4 at all. In fact, many PS Now users may have a PS4 and use it download PS4 games.

It seems PS Now suffers as a Netflix/Gamepass type of service because Sony doesn't want PC users getting too much access to PS4 content. So people using PS Now exclusively on their PS4 get a underwhelming service because Sony is too concerned about what PC users can access.

In a nutshell, I believe PS4 could continue its success and PS Now being a better service wouldn't impact that.



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yea, Sony should consider having a fixed time at which their own games "have to" appear on PS Now, like for example:

- they have to be on the service for at least 6 months in the first 24 months after release and be a permanent part of the archive after 36 months at most

obviously the smaller/more obscure titles should join the archive much quicker than that



DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

I mean not even Uncharted 4? That’s like 4 years ago. The name PS Now sounds a little more ironic to me then a day ago before I read this thread. 

Uncharted 4 is still selling a health amount every month.

I'm sure it does fine, but I am also confident PS4 sales won't nose dive if it came to PS Now.

Frankly, there is plenty of content that's about 4+ years old Sony content that should be on PS Now. Much of which is not very active based on the PS Store's Top Games List.



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0D0 said:

We need to give Sony more time. PS Now gets better every year. It'll keep getting better.

Personally, my PS Now subscription is worth more than having a second console like a Switch. I've played so many good games there.

Time isn't the issue, the service is like 6 years old.

I agree the service has improved over the years, but its not because time passed. Its because Sony has allowed it be better.

I'm not sure if the price cut was done to stimulate subscriptions or an admission the service was too expensive for what it is.



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Lafiel said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Oh really? I didn't know that. Certainly makes it a more interesting service then. If you download them can you play without an internet connection though?

I think you need to connect once in 24h to verify your licence

btw many PS2 games on the service are downloadable to play on a PS4 aswell

You can download PS2 games given they're the emulated versions available on PS4. However, its a small and underwhelming list. Only 21 games and none are notable PS2 releases per se. In comparison I see 456 PS3 games and 360 PS4 games.

It's a very respectable list of games you get access to for $60. The problem Sony is afraid to use much of their own PS4 content to bolster it.

In fact, I just noticed PS Now does have Gravity Rush 2, but it's exclusive to the PS4 console. I can't access it on my PC. The game was a fucking flop, why are they making it exclusive to PS4 users?



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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:
Considering how much the games Sony publishes are selling even year after release and how PS4 is still selling compared to the number of subs on PSNow I would say their focus right now is to not impact the sales of HW and SW while on PSNow they work on the service and quality itself because adding content would be the "easier" part after that either by putting their full backlog of 1st party or signing deals. But that would make sense after the service is mature enough to be a money bringer instead of impacting what is currently bringing major money (PS+, PS4 sold at good profit, and 1st party record breaking sales... gamepass type service would create a big impact on it).

Simple question, do you think better 1st party support on PS Now would hurt PS4's output and/or performance? I think the obvious answer if not really if at all.

We actually agree Sony is afraid PS4 sales could be affected if Sony gave PS Now better support. However, there is plenty of PS4 content Sony could add that's 3+ years old and isn't moving much if any hardware. I made a list of numerous titles, I even forgot to mention Infamous:SS.

If the concern is PS Now could steal any sales from PS4, maybe it shouldn't have any PS4 content. It certainly shouldn't have Uncharted Lost Legacy and Horizon:ZD. I really don't think Sony adding 1st party games that are 3-4+ years old on PS Now would hurt PS4 at all. In fact, many PS Now users may have a PS4 and use it download PS4 games.

It seems PS Now suffers as a Netflix/Gamepass type of service because Sony doesn't want PC users getting too much access to PS4 content. So people using PS Now exclusively on their PS4 get a underwhelming service because Sony is too concerned about what PC users can access.

In a nutshell, I believe PS4 could continue its success and PS Now being a better service wouldn't impact that.

It all depends what you call better 1st party support. Because probably you would like to have something like gamepass and day one, that certainly would have a big impact on PS4 revenue.

And if you think Sony is afraid of it and that they do have more data than us and is better at analyzing the market (they have won 3 of 4 gens after all) then you shouldn't be asking if I think it would hurt. Sony wouldn't do it for the lols, so I believe they are doing the best decision for their business.

If the person have a PS4 and use the service to download those games then Sony would be losing sales of the games. And for the reason they put some games, may be similar to why HZD will launch on PC to test and validate their hypothesis, see how much it would impact sales of those games and also how it affects the subscription.

Just look at PS+ they had made a service that offered a lot of value for the yearly sub, but had like 2M subs when multiplayer wasn't there but great games were given away. When they changed to MP locked but not many good games gave away they are now about 40M subs. Seems like they validate that the best way to nick and dime users were locking MP instead of offering better games. They may be doing this type of test on PSNow.

Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

Uncharted 4 is still selling a health amount every month.

I'm sure it does fine, but I am also confident PS4 sales won't nose dive if it came to PS Now.

Frankly, there is plenty of content that's about 4+ years old Sony content that should be on PS Now. Much of which is not very active based on the PS Store's Top Games List.

Sure it wouldn't nose dive. Still why would Sony decide for a setup that would give less profit? But yes even though I have no access to PSNow in Brazil and I prefer to own, yes it would be good for the service and should get more subs (we don't have numbers to estimate the impact in profit, but Sony seems to consider it would be negative) if they had more first party content.



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DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Simple question, do you think better 1st party support on PS Now would hurt PS4's output and/or performance? I think the obvious answer if not really if at all.

We actually agree Sony is afraid PS4 sales could be affected if Sony gave PS Now better support. However, there is plenty of PS4 content Sony could add that's 3+ years old and isn't moving much if any hardware. I made a list of numerous titles, I even forgot to mention Infamous:SS.

If the concern is PS Now could steal any sales from PS4, maybe it shouldn't have any PS4 content. It certainly shouldn't have Uncharted Lost Legacy and Horizon:ZD. I really don't think Sony adding 1st party games that are 3-4+ years old on PS Now would hurt PS4 at all. In fact, many PS Now users may have a PS4 and use it download PS4 games.

It seems PS Now suffers as a Netflix/Gamepass type of service because Sony doesn't want PC users getting too much access to PS4 content. So people using PS Now exclusively on their PS4 get a underwhelming service because Sony is too concerned about what PC users can access.

In a nutshell, I believe PS4 could continue its success and PS Now being a better service wouldn't impact that.

It all depends what you call better 1st party support. Because probably you would like to have something like gamepass and day one, that certainly would have a big impact on PS4 revenue.

And if you think Sony is afraid of it and that they do have more data than us and is better at analyzing the market (they have won 3 of 4 gens after all) then you shouldn't be asking if I think it would hurt. Sony wouldn't do it for the lols, so I believe they are doing the best decision for their business.

If the person have a PS4 and use the service to download those games then Sony would be losing sales of the games. And for the reason they put some games, may be similar to why HZD will launch on PC to test and validate their hypothesis, see how much it would impact sales of those games and also how it affects the subscription.

Just look at PS+ they had made a service that offered a lot of value for the yearly sub, but had like 2M subs when multiplayer wasn't there but great games were given away. When they changed to MP locked but not many good games gave away they are now about 40M subs. Seems like they validate that the best way to nick and dime users were locking MP instead of offering better games. They may be doing this type of test on PSNow.

Mr Puggsly said:

I'm sure it does fine, but I am also confident PS4 sales won't nose dive if it came to PS Now.

Frankly, there is plenty of content that's about 4+ years old Sony content that should be on PS Now. Much of which is not very active based on the PS Store's Top Games List.

Sure it wouldn't nose dive. Still why would Sony decide for a setup that would give less profit? But yes even though I have no access to PSNow in Brazil and I prefer to own, yes it would be good for the service and should get more subs (we don't have numbers to estimate the impact in profit, but Sony seems to consider it would be negative) if they had more first party content.

My ideal is Sony would copy Gamepass, but that's unlikely nor what this thread is about. I clarified the service should at least have most 1st party content that's several years old. I feel Uncharted 4 and Infamous:SS are reasonable requests, and so should God of War in the near future.

If not giving PS Now fairly recent content was best, it shouldn't have Horizon:ZD or Uncharted:LL. You see Sony as an infallible company due to their success, I don't.

Horizon is coming to PC now because the console version's sales have mostly dried up and perhaps they want to hype the sequel. Sony has already allowed a bunch of games on PC and they have data from that. This is just a rare exception where it will be a true 1st party game coming to PC.

We all knew (or should have known) that PS+ was a stepping stone to copying Xbox Live. Sony knew there was money to be made charging for MP because MS proved it. Although, I do credit Sony for making free games part of the service.

Adding more 1st party content to PS Now could actually increase revenue. We have to assume games like Horizon and Uncharted:LL came to PS Now to boost subscriptions.

Again, I just pointed out Gravity Rush 2 is on PS Now, but exclusive to PS4 users. That means I can't access it on the PC. Frankly, that's bullshit. But maybe Sony should do more of that if they're truly concerned what PC users can access. Let PS4 users have access to more exclusives and tell PC users to suck a dick.



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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

It all depends what you call better 1st party support. Because probably you would like to have something like gamepass and day one, that certainly would have a big impact on PS4 revenue.

And if you think Sony is afraid of it and that they do have more data than us and is better at analyzing the market (they have won 3 of 4 gens after all) then you shouldn't be asking if I think it would hurt. Sony wouldn't do it for the lols, so I believe they are doing the best decision for their business.

If the person have a PS4 and use the service to download those games then Sony would be losing sales of the games. And for the reason they put some games, may be similar to why HZD will launch on PC to test and validate their hypothesis, see how much it would impact sales of those games and also how it affects the subscription.

Just look at PS+ they had made a service that offered a lot of value for the yearly sub, but had like 2M subs when multiplayer wasn't there but great games were given away. When they changed to MP locked but not many good games gave away they are now about 40M subs. Seems like they validate that the best way to nick and dime users were locking MP instead of offering better games. They may be doing this type of test on PSNow.

Sure it wouldn't nose dive. Still why would Sony decide for a setup that would give less profit? But yes even though I have no access to PSNow in Brazil and I prefer to own, yes it would be good for the service and should get more subs (we don't have numbers to estimate the impact in profit, but Sony seems to consider it would be negative) if they had more first party content.

My ideal is Sony would copy Gamepass, but that's unlikely nor what this thread is about. I clarified the service should at least have most 1st party content that's several years old. I feel Uncharted 4 and Infamous:SS are reasonable requests, and so should God of War in the near future.

If not giving PS Now fairly recent content was best, it shouldn't have Horizon:ZD or Uncharted:LL. You see Sony as an infallible company due to their success, I don't.

Horizon is coming to PC now because the console version's sales have mostly dried up and perhaps they want to hype the sequel. Sony has already allowed a bunch of games on PC and they have data from that. This is just a rare exception where it will be a true 1st party game coming to PC.

We all knew (or should have known) that PS+ was a stepping stone to copying Xbox Live. Sony knew there was money to be made charging for MP because MS proved it. Although, I do credit Sony for making free games part of the service.

Adding more 1st party content to PS Now could actually increase revenue. We have to assume games like Horizon and Uncharted:LL came to PS Now to boost subscriptions.

Again, I just pointed out Gravity Rush 2 is on PS Now, but exclusive to PS4 users. That means I can't access it on the PC. Frankly, that's bullshit. But maybe Sony should do more of that if they're truly concerned what PC users can access. Let PS4 users have access to more exclusives and tell PC users to suck a dick.

Nope not that I see Sony as infallible, what I see is that on the lack of better information then our best is what we have. So if Sony analysis is that the current action is the best approach for them and we don't have data that contradicts that I will consider that what Sony is doing is probably the best option for them. Mainly because companies act to maximize profit so all their actions shall be assumed with that intention.

The data that Sony have for games released on PC is fairly small and obsolete, same as if they were to base the sales potential for 1st party based for what they had until PS3, that changed a lot.

No one had data of how much having free games would entice customers to sub to a service, be it standalone or as part of another. That experiment shown that gamers didn't had much value for it. PSNow is similar stuff, less than 2M for the streaming of how you put 450 PS4 games and 350 PS3 games for 60 a year, that isn't bad. Gamepass with day one and major promotions didn't really cross 10M permanent users.

Sure more 1st party could increase revenue, but I was pointing profits (which could also improve), but it could also decrease revenue and profit from the PS4 and SW sales themselves and that could be for a bigger portion than the gains. We don't have numbers for that, so again I assume Sony decided to what make more money to them.

Yes you pointed to GR2 and I doubt Sony ever clarified why and may even have some licensing issue, but yes I don't think makes sense to restrict it.



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Personally, I enjoy PS Now BECAUSE it’s mostly older games. It gives me a chance to play games from the past that I wasn’t able to enjoy before, while I wait for new AAA releases. I think it’s a great service, and Sony is doing a great job handling it.



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DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

My ideal is Sony would copy Gamepass, but that's unlikely nor what this thread is about. I clarified the service should at least have most 1st party content that's several years old. I feel Uncharted 4 and Infamous:SS are reasonable requests, and so should God of War in the near future.

If not giving PS Now fairly recent content was best, it shouldn't have Horizon:ZD or Uncharted:LL. You see Sony as an infallible company due to their success, I don't.

Horizon is coming to PC now because the console version's sales have mostly dried up and perhaps they want to hype the sequel. Sony has already allowed a bunch of games on PC and they have data from that. This is just a rare exception where it will be a true 1st party game coming to PC.

We all knew (or should have known) that PS+ was a stepping stone to copying Xbox Live. Sony knew there was money to be made charging for MP because MS proved it. Although, I do credit Sony for making free games part of the service.

Adding more 1st party content to PS Now could actually increase revenue. We have to assume games like Horizon and Uncharted:LL came to PS Now to boost subscriptions.

Again, I just pointed out Gravity Rush 2 is on PS Now, but exclusive to PS4 users. That means I can't access it on the PC. Frankly, that's bullshit. But maybe Sony should do more of that if they're truly concerned what PC users can access. Let PS4 users have access to more exclusives and tell PC users to suck a dick.

Nope not that I see Sony as infallible, what I see is that on the lack of better information then our best is what we have. So if Sony analysis is that the current action is the best approach for them and we don't have data that contradicts that I will consider that what Sony is doing is probably the best option for them. Mainly because companies act to maximize profit so all their actions shall be assumed with that intention.

The data that Sony have for games released on PC is fairly small and obsolete, same as if they were to base the sales potential for 1st party based for what they had until PS3, that changed a lot.

No one had data of how much having free games would entice customers to sub to a service, be it standalone or as part of another. That experiment shown that gamers didn't had much value for it. PSNow is similar stuff, less than 2M for the streaming of how you put 450 PS4 games and 350 PS3 games for 60 a year, that isn't bad. Gamepass with day one and major promotions didn't really cross 10M permanent users.

Sure more 1st party could increase revenue, but I was pointing profits (which could also improve), but it could also decrease revenue and profit from the PS4 and SW sales themselves and that could be for a bigger portion than the gains. We don't have numbers for that, so again I assume Sony decided to what make more money to them.

Yes you pointed to GR2 and I doubt Sony ever clarified why and may even have some licensing issue, but yes I don't think makes sense to restrict it.

Okay, you'll defend whatever Sony does because they're doing well and should have the best data. But lets remember I'm ultimately just saying I'd like more old 1st party PS4 Sony games used to bolster PS Now. At the moment there is no evidence that would hurt PS4 sales, to contrary it could likely boost PS Now subscriptions and many users have a PS4.

Gamepass in theory could actually fund AAA games with millions of subscribers. It could encourage MS to produce more notable content. But for some reason people see it as something that only steals money, its not really logical especially when many still buy games.

I highly doubt a licensing issue keeps Gravity Rush 2 from PS Now on PC. It's the only exception I could find and coincidentally its a 1st party game.

Edit: I just noticed Horizon is leaving PS Now April 7th. Sony wants to boost subscriptions but its a shitty service to play Sony's PS4 games.

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