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Ka-pi96 said:

Well there is the cultural aspect of not wanting to cause issues for others. Some would probably argue the shared cleaning by kids in schools would contribute too, but to me personally as a Brit I just see that as saying "we're too poor to afford a cleaner"

To be honest parents are probably the biggest influence. I assume a lot of people who litter had parents who also littered. While my family looked at people who threw their trash on the street with derision and now I do too.

It used to be common to empty car ashtrays on the road in parking lots. Luckily far less people smoke now. A couple years ago I cleaned up the park here, picking up cigarette butts for hours. I also found condemns and even a needle. Nice to know what your kids play in. One thing that seems to work is to keep areas clean often, the cleaner it is the less people throw their stuff on the ground. Garbage attracts more garbage.

I haven't been picking up stuff this year though, unsure about the risk of covid19 on trash. It should be safe now again, the wave has mostly passed. Plus the park has been closed all this time, also helps with the littering :)

People are just so lazy, there are multiple garbage cans around that get emptied often, but it's 100 steps to put it in the garbage instead of chucking it in the bushes. It's a shame. You don't notice it so much with everything growing fast in spring covering the trash. By fall all the mess pops up again.



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Well I called the city parks department and let them know that small park needs a quick cleanup. Looked to be at least 4-5 garbage bags full laying around. I'm going back Saturday to practice my shot in basketball so I'll see if they sent anyone by then. If not I'll just bring some bags and pick it up myself on Sunday.

I believe I've only seen one mask on ground there and rest just random bottles and trash. Not many people frequent there so it probably hasn't been clean in a few months.

Funny thing is that our biggest park has many sports accomodations such as soccer fields, baseball fields (some with stands with shade protection, snack stands in between multiple fields open when youth leagues play), numerous tennis courts, shuffle board, horseshoe pits, sand volleyball courts, badminton and many other sports yet there isn't one single basketball hoop or court. 



Qatar with a population below 3m has already over 80k cases and over 1000 new cases per day. They do a lot of testing but damn...





chakkra said:
SvennoJ said:

Making vaccine candidates is not that hard, there are plenty already being tested
https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker

Production is also already started before results
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/astrazeneca-vaccine-supply-eu/

Commenting on the development of the vaccine, AstraZeneca said: “AstraZeneca recognises that the vaccine may not work but is committed to progressing the clinical programme with speed and scaling up manufacturing at risk.”

The tricky part is not to make people sick with a vaccine while building up effective anti bodies. The strain needs to be similar enough but not too close so people actually get sick. It's impossible to tell how much of a viral load each person can safely handle while still have enough to build up lasting effective immunity, so you need something that is not full blown sars-cov-2 but presents something that looks similar enough to your immune system.

Normally it takes years to test vaccine candidates for long term effects. Imagine giving everyone the same vaccine that has a little side effect to cause infertility in a couple years and you have Children of men! Luckily that's still in the realm of sci-fi and having lots of different vaccine candidates reduces the risk of messing up everyone. It's still a gamble to launch a vaccine without knowing what it can do in 10 years, but a better gamble than letting it go on for another 10 years. But first the short term effects need to be safe and proof to actually be effective enough to stop the virus.


This explains it all very well and the different types of vaccines being tested:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

Researchers around the world are developing more than 135 vaccines against the coronavirus. Vaccines typically require years of research and testing before reaching the clinic, but scientists are racing to produce a safe and effective vaccine by next year.

Genetic Vaccines: Vaccines that use one or more of the coronavirus’s own genes to provoke an immune response.

Viral Vector Vaccines: Vaccines that use a virus to deliver coronavirus genes into cells and provoke an immune response.
Protein-Based Vaccines: Vaccines that use a coronavirus protein or a protein fragment to provoke an immune response.
Whole-Virus Vaccines: Vaccines that use a weakened or inactivated version of the coronavirus to provoke an immune response.
Repurposed Vaccines: Vaccines already in use for other diseases that may also protect against Covid-19.



Some more research on D614G the mutation that seems to have taken over in Europe

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/science/coronavirus-mutation-genetics-spike.html

Dr. Choe, the senior author on the paper, said that the virus spikes with the mutation were “nearly 10 times more infectious in the cell culture system that we used” than those without that same mutation.

"This is a powerful experimental study and the best evidence yet that the D614G mutation increases the infectivity of SARS-CoV-2,” said Eddie Holmes, a professor at the University of Sydney and a specialist in viral evolution.

The mutation the researchers studied has predominated in Europe and in much of the United States, especially in the Northeast. They compared it to viruses without that mutation, like those found at the beginning of the pandemic in Wuhan, China.

Dr. Choe said that the results do suggest that biological factors played a role in the rapid spread of the D614G virus. “This mutation may explain the predominance of viruses carrying it,” Dr. Choe said. But other scientists cautioned that it would take significantly more research to determine if differences in the virus were a factor in shaping the course of the outbreak. Other factors clearly played a role in the spread, including the timing of lockdowns, travel patterns and luck, scientists argue.

Not yet peer reviewed and needs more investigating, but it could explain the difference in attack rate and speed at which the virus spread through Europe compared to Wuhan.

What I don't understand is why don't they just jump one or two phases. I totally understand the risks but this is an unprecedented emergency. I mean, I would be more than willing to try a vaccine that has already gone through phase I and II, heck, give me even one that has gone through just phase I. 

Yeah, jump a phase and have a untested (or not enough tested) vaccine unleashed on the people. If just anything goes wrong and people get sick or even die from the vaccine, then not only is the cure worse than the disease, it's also perfect fodder for all the Anti-Vaxxers who will feel themselves confirmed in their views and get huge support and swelling numbers - which would only make future outbreaks more dangerous.

I mean, just look what happened in the Philippines with the Dengvaxia Dengue Fever Vaxxine: The Vaccine was dangerous for people with certain pre-existing conditions and has killed hundreds of people in the Philippines. But worse is that the trust into vaccines is broken (trust into vaccines dropped from 95% in 2015 to 32% in 2019) and thus only very few people take vaccines there anymore. The result: A deadly measles outbreak due to low immunisation.

So better have them thoroughly tested before they get unleashed on the population. 



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Beijing residents are rounded up and put in quarantine as the city goes back into lockdown and new travel bans are introduced to stop 'extremely severe' fresh coronavirus outbreak blamed on 'European salmon'

  • China reported 40 more coronavirus infection on Tuesday, with 27 in Beijing as parts of the city lockdown
  • One scientist has warned the new strain of the virus could be more infectious, believing it came from Europe
  • Officials have been fencing off parts of the city with some in total lockdown while mass testing has resumed
  • The outbreak has been linked with a food wholesale market called Xinfadi which sees thousands of visitors

China now faces a dilemma on how drastically to deal with new outbreaks while keeping the momentum in its economic recovery - a situation shared by other countries such as New Zealand that have beaten the virus.

There remains a sense of unease on Asian and global markets about signs of a COVID-19 resurgence, just as the city was getting back on track and after months of no new cases.



12 new cases here in Aus over the last 24 hours.

So far, we've had 7347 cases and 102 deaths. 

We've tested 1.8 million, out of a total population of 25 million.

62.1% of cases were acquired overseas, 27.8% were acquired locally, and 10.1% have no identified contact.

Of the deaths, only 1 was under 50, and only 3 under 60.

17 people are currently in hospital, 3 in intensive care.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers



New worldwide peak today. 142,557 new cases.



California, Texas, Florida, Arizona are the hotspot states with the latter 3 having. a peak number of new cases and California coming close to passing their peak. Oklahoma, Utah, and the Carolinas are also seeing a rise in new cases.



I tested negative for the antibodies Friday before last. It makes me feel good about my 3 months spent at home isolating, as if they have not been a waste. At the same time I was hoping I had the antibodies so I might have some immunity. I am incredibly pessimistic about the state of the virus in the world. It only keeps spreading and the number of cases keeps going up. I do not think people have the political will to go into another full scale lockdown. I think we might just have to adapt until there is a proven vaccine.



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